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  1. #741
    Quote Originally Posted by ToxicFlame View Post
    mate, you can't say progression is pretty clear and in the very next sentence say anything bellow mythic is a free for all.
    although what I was trying to get at is, that getting a higher ilvl doesn't unlock stuff anymore, heroic, mythic+0 dungeons and lfr are basically free from the moment u ding at cap by just doing a couple of WQ, and WB, m+ requires r.io, mythic raid pugging isn't a thing to my knowledge, so you are left with normal and heroic raids to work towards, and in my experience for heroic raids people only care about curve for heroic which in my experience leaves you with normal raids that get "unlocked" by getting a high enough ilvl.
    What you have described now certainly sounds like progression there. You aren't going to be pugging M+10 and Heroic raids from the moment you ding, you do need to get some gear and clout there to pass the initial checks, so yeah you do LFR, Normal, M+(x<10).

    There are various shortcuts like guild/friends/cash, but this is a progression right there.

    You may say yeah, maybe it should have been more clear, but imo it makes sense - you do normal/lowbie M+ and ramp up the difficulty as you go and get more geared/more clout.

  2. #742
    Quote Originally Posted by Mightytasty View Post
    He is one of the more positive WoW content creators. It’s not like he shits on the game like Asmongold. Even Tal & evitel have critiques of BfA.
    He shits it on it hard. I've watched a few of his vids and I couldn't take it anymore. He's nitpicking everything apart and he's being negative whenever he gets the chance. He's one of the people I would tell to get lost. I don't mind people being negative but just leave and don't make a scene.
    Whenever I get tired of WoW I just unsub, that's bloody it.

  3. #743
    Quote Originally Posted by Raysz View Post
    He shits it on it hard. I've watched a few of his vids and I couldn't take it anymore. He's nitpicking everything apart and he's being negative whenever he gets the chance. He's one of the people I would tell to get lost. I don't mind people being negative but just leave and don't make a scene.
    Whenever I get tired of WoW I just unsub, that's bloody it.
    How'd he get his moneys from donations then???

    It's his job and he knows full well what his audience wants to hear, so he shoves it down their throats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raysz View Post
    He shits it on it hard. I've watched a few of his vids and I couldn't take it anymore. He's nitpicking everything apart and he's being negative whenever he gets the chance. He's one of the people I would tell to get lost. I don't mind people being negative but just leave and don't make a scene.
    Whenever I get tired of WoW I just unsub, that's bloody it.
    That's interesting considering that he liked Blizzard's attempts at itemization in the new raid (even if he considers it to be somewhat undertuned) and keeps mentioning that he expects new patch to turn BFA around. But sure, he's so negative that you can't take it anymore.

    Either your threshold for negativity is extremely low or you're cherrypicking the worst parts and filling in the blanks.

  5. #745
    Quote Originally Posted by HordeFanboy View Post
    Blizzard should just remove garbage unnecessary RNG and titanforge/warforge BS.
    totally agree.

  6. #746
    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    That's interesting considering that he liked Blizzard's attempts at itemization in the new raid (even if he considers it to be somewhat undertuned) and keeps mentioning that he expects new patch to turn BFA around. But sure, he's so negative that you can't take it anymore.

    Either your threshold for negativity is extremely low or you're cherrypicking the worst parts and filling in the blanks.
    I've watched several video's of his and those were mostly negative. So he made one positive video amongst mostly negative ones. He's feeding off of the negative vibe he and others created, gets him more views. Can't stand the guy, but you're probably a regular viewer, that's ok. I just wish people that were done with the game, move on and find something else instead of creating such a negative atmosphere. I get that you're passionate, but you are just one person. So is that annoying Preach, yet he seems to think he speaks for a lot of people, that's the main issue I have with people like that. And then he goes on to monetize his dislike. Disgusting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    How'd he get his moneys from donations then???

    It's his job and he knows full well what his audience wants to hear, so he shoves it down their throats.
    His job is what, to be a negative Nancy and ride the negativity train? If you look at most threads here on MMO Champ, I'm sure he has a big audience, doesn't make him right though.

  7. #747
    Quote Originally Posted by Raysz View Post
    He shits it on it hard. I've watched a few of his vids and I couldn't take it anymore. He's nitpicking everything apart and he's being negative whenever he gets the chance. He's one of the people I would tell to get lost. I don't mind people being negative but just leave and don't make a scene.
    Whenever I get tired of WoW I just unsub, that's bloody it.
    I have paid pretty close attention to Preach since returning to the game and would have to disagree with your description. I think too many people have a tendency to allow hyperbole and outrage to turn the volume up on any rhetoric used to describe the game, good or bad. He does offer criticism of the game and he also talks about aspects he enjoys. He also talks respectfully of aspects he understands that other's enjoy that are not his cup of tea.

    I tend to be more critical about things I really enjoy because I really enjoy them and want them to be their best.

    I can't say for certain, but I would guess that Preach feels similarly, based on what I have seen, and if the game ceased to be any fun whatsoever--he would leave. One of the things that concerns him is when people he enjoys playing with leave the game since he enjoys playing with friends--thus criticizing with the hope things will get better and become a better social experience as well as game experience.

    YMMV

  8. #748
    Quote Originally Posted by Raysz View Post
    His job is what, to be a negative Nancy and ride the negativity train? If you look at most threads here on MMO Champ, I'm sure he has a big audience, doesn't make him right though.
    That's how you get audience nowadays. I mean you could open a thread hammering WoW to dust over nonsense and you'd get an instant circle-jerk here.

    I'd say BfA has its share of faults for sure, but shit here totally flies off the handle with people somehow managing to accuse of WoW being WoW and such - apparently even stuff that was a thing since almost forever is somehow turned into "what's wrong with BfA".

    In short, cesspool of nonsense with occasional legitimate concerns.

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    This thread’s still alive? Y’all must have a serious hate boner for Preach. It’s not healthy, man.

  10. #750
    Quote Originally Posted by PapaV View Post
    I have paid pretty close attention to Preach since returning to the game and would have to disagree with your description. I think too many people have a tendency to allow hyperbole and outrage to turn the volume up on any rhetoric used to describe the game, good or bad. He does offer criticism of the game and he also talks about aspects he enjoys. He also talks respectfully of aspects he understands that other's enjoy that are not his cup of tea.

    I tend to be more critical about things I really enjoy because I really enjoy them and want them to be their best.

    I can't say for certain, but I would guess that Preach feels similarly, based on what I have seen, and if the game ceased to be any fun whatsoever--he would leave. One of the things that concerns him is when people he enjoys playing with leave the game since he enjoys playing with friends--thus criticizing with the hope things will get better and become a better social experience as well as game experience.

    YMMV
    I can make this very short, just check his positive to negative ratio as far valueing the current state (insert whatever state) of WoW is. Spoiler alert, most of his videos are overly long essays on how he thinks WoW could be better. What he thinks would make Wow better isn't necessarily what I would agree with or whoever. But he feels he's the authority to make that judgement. And if that weren't bad enough he's asked to comment on the world first race by Method, commenting basically on a game he mostly doesn't like. He's such a sellout. I really dislike the guy, to put it mildly.

  11. #751
    Quote Originally Posted by Raysz View Post
    I can make this very short, just check his positive to negative ratio as far valueing the current state (insert whatever state) of WoW is. Spoiler alert, most of his videos are overly long essays on how he thinks WoW could be better. What he thinks would make Wow better isn't necessarily what I would agree with or whoever. But he feels he's the authority to make that judgement. And if that weren't bad enough he's asked to comment on the world first race by Method, commenting basically on a game he mostly doesn't like. He's such a sellout. I really dislike the guy, to put it mildly.
    Fair enough, I am not trying to get anyone to like or dislike the guy. I don't consider his critiques to be "shitting" on the game, I consider them fair and not hyperbolic. By and large, for my time, he seems to enjoy some aspects of the game. His authority to speak on the game comes from his play time and those of us that click on his videos to hear his take.

    Based on the advise that many have given on this very thread, it seems that if they didn't want Preach to get any more traction they would do the equivalent of "unsubbing" and stop commenting. The only thing left in this soon to be 40-page thread would be either people who see merit in discussing the video or sycophants.
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  12. #752
    So this thread
    50% attacks on preach because...idk
    45% claiming it's mythic raiders wanting to be special snowflakes
    4% saying they unsubbed and the game is Dead
    1% discussing video

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaV View Post
    Fair enough, I am not trying to get anyone to like or dislike the guy. I don't consider his critiques to be "shitting" on the game, I consider them fair and not hyperbolic. By and large, for my time, he seems to enjoy some aspects of the game. His authority to speak on the game comes from his play time and those of us that click on his videos to hear his take.

    Based on the advise that many have given on this very thread, it seems that if they didn't want Preach to get any more traction they would do the equivalent of "unsubbing" and stop commenting. The only thing left in this soon to be 40-page thread would be either people who see merit in discussing the video or sycophants.
    Blizzard has killed gearing and now you have players saying any who dare say it's bad is a terrible elitist.... for some reason

    The invisible checkbox for your toons ilvl
    The fact weapons are separated in that check box based on type of weapon
    The fact that master loot was removed because of a problem that for the most part was fixed in legion and the"trials not getting loot" stories were shown to be lies
    Azerite gear being shit
    The fact a 330 ring is better than a 385 ring
    The fact my alt who hasn't stepped foot in any non lfg content now has 386ilvl

    All of this is the gear problems I see and it hurts new players

    Let's say my mage was my main and I'm a new player
    I wouldn't get upgrades outside of like a +7 but in order for me to get a group I need to do one of two things.
    1. Run a mythic 0 that offers no upgrades and then run the key up to the +7 with likely multiple groups which takes time which is a big complaint amongst the vocal player base when talking about raider io
    2. Go into the lists and look for a dungeon and hope I get chosen despite no score

    Let's say 2 works
    I get into the group and since I have no previous experience in the dungeons...I die...a lot
    If I don't get kicked we may not hit the timer
    That means the player who owns the key is punished for judging by ilvl and I'm punished because I went into content the game said was appropriate for me.

    How do you stop from taking a chance burning a key?? Raider io is born

    Why?? Because blizzard had a broken gear system

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  13. #753
    Quote Originally Posted by Raysz View Post
    What he thinks would make Wow better isn't necessarily what I would agree with or whoever. But he feels he's the authority to make that judgement.
    Doesn't this apply to, I don't know, pretty much everyone who has written a single comment in this thread? That would mean you would hate every single person in this thread, and probably a lot more people who have yet to comment. Or no, I guess your hatred actually stems from him NOT being just one voice in the crowd on a fanboy forum that you can just ignore. It's because he puts a lot of effort into making his voice heard and because people willingly give their money to support it that you dislike him.

  14. #754
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Blizzard has killed gearing and now you have players saying any who dare say it's bad is a terrible elitist.... for some reason
    Yes damn those elitist casuals! Trying to take gear away from the casual casuals

  15. #755
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    What you have described now certainly sounds like progression there. You aren't going to be pugging M+10 and Heroic raids from the moment you ding, you do need to get some gear and clout there to pass the initial checks, so yeah you do LFR, Normal, M+(x<10).
    you're also not going to be pugging M+10+ unless you get your raider.io up ((or use shortcuts), you're not going to be pugging heroic unless you get your curve, you're not going to be pugging mythic beyond the first 2 bosses give or take if you are really lucky with your group. and everything else is, free the moment you ding.
    You can get a minimum gear for everything you could possibly pug within a weekend, that imo is a broken system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    What tier? Secondly, the gear is replaced nearly the first week of new raid in BFA.

    Also, mounts and pets are no longer worthwhile rewards to justify the time jump and effort from heroic to mythic.

    Give real incentives such as.... A wing of the raid that only shows up in Mythic. Certain items only dropping on certain difficulties (higher you go, the more loot table opens up), or the only legendary in the expac dropping off mythic jaina, etc. Real, tangible rewards that have meaning and won't be replaced 3 months from now.

    Mounts aren't really worthwhile rewards anymore (unless they added affects to them like dragons having aoe breath) because we have HUNDREDS of them. The pool is so deluded that i honestly haven't even rode the last 20 mounts i earned in game. They don't mean much anymore compared to back in the day. To make matters worse, the best mounts of the expac are all store bought so... there's that.
    A whole raid wing for Mythic? Problem is very few would see it, sure sounds good to you, but if it covers important story then it ruins the experience for everyone else. Remember Cho'gall in WoD? Sure was fun having him disappear and never having closure, unless you were mythic of course. Mounts don't mean much, not because of rarity, but because there are hundreds of them these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    They gotta keep it for 1 patch. New raid tier always makes previous ones completly absolote to the point you can easly pug it. Ans yes even with 1% mount drop it is nowhere near being rare mount. Exclusive rewards doesnt hurt anyone. If you feel entilted to rewards just becouse you pai sub it is your problem not game. I really dont see any reslason why you should get rewards in absolote content when you clearly dont deserve them.
    Exclusive rewards cost resources. For example a unique gear set costs another set that everyone could have. Fact is an incredibly small amount of people doing Mythic, and leaving the rewards only for them means everyone else gets a boring, quickly ended experience.

  17. #757
    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker1 View Post
    I think it's very funny that i have all my toons at ilvl390s without steping into instances lol feels good man!being badass ftw!

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    Lies i gotten 10 mage tower skins before it went away good players still around.
    I got every mage tower skin except for the healing ones primarily because I did the resto sham one and wanted to claw my eyes out with boredom. Doesn't mean I know the classes inside and out just means in many cases I outgeared them. Had nothing to do with being good after the first few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaesebrezen View Post
    Catchups have to be fast. That's their only requirement.

    If you go back to WoD, recruitment was an abhorrent nightmare. You had the majority of guilds being your catchup farms. They spent several weeks gearing up players, just to have geared players poached the guilds at top which are actually progressing. In the past you started at the bottom and had to work your way up, but such an approach only works if you have a steady stream of new players entering at the button. WoW doesn't have that.

    You also can't have a gear progression that takes several weeks to a few months in a world where a raid tier only last 5-6 months. Even back in BC, going back to Black Temple to gear up new players for Sunwell wasn't a fun task.

    What people in this thread, and also Preach, should be asking is why do we have the system we have now? What problems did the previous system have?
    For whom was the previous system actually a problem?
    Don't claim to have raided bc when you obviously didn't. A fast BT clear was a fun break and we didn't just do it for gearing up new apps or even alts we did it for glaives.

  18. #758
    Quote Originally Posted by Maudib View Post
    Actually the Youtubers provide solid viewpoints and perspectives of the game... their popularity is partially due to the numbe rof people who are looking to validate their own opinions.

    WoW isn't shit because Preach says so... WoW is shit because it is... and Preach simply shares that opinion... which draws in 363,000 subscribers who also think WoW is shit.

    There are plenty who do not agree with it and still play WoW... Doesn't make either "side" unintelligent... it just means some people have a very low expectation of an MMORPG these days.
    How do you know that they agree with Preach that WoW is shit? Or that he even thinks that it does over all? I am subscribed to Preach not because i think WoW is shit, but more because i usually like his "Drama Fridays" where he reads "player stories" from raiding and guild adventures of Wow players. And yes i agree with some of his complaints but he sure as fuck isnt "right" about anything.

  19. #759
    Quote Originally Posted by Nasuuna View Post
    I got insulted for saying I didn't earn 400ilvl on my monk, doing like, 2 +10s and 1 7 boss clear of BoD.
    Yup it's nuts my last character was heroic ilvl within a week without even relying on friends to carry me that's stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    i do agree with a lot of what you written

    i disagree that its the system what is killing guilds

    what is killing guilds in reality is real life .

    and people choosing to pursue real goals in real life instead fake ones in games.

    all you need in reality to kill any guild is theat key 3-4 people quit and whole guild implodes.

    its unrealistic expectation to desire for the same group of friends to do activity X on set schedule for years. it doesnt happen irl and its unachivable in games.

    yes a lot of people will raid for months - but eventually they will quit .

    very few people will raid for few years - but even they will eventually burn out and quit.

    next to nobody is raiding non stop for 3+ years. it takes special kind of people - for example social outcasts , lonely people with no friends or some other special traits but no normal funtioning member of society will play the same same on high level on set schedule for years. its just not normal behaviour.

    ye ye ye i know everybody on mmochamp who raids has wife kids high payed jobs and 3 cars and 12 inch cock - ofc you have - its internet we are all handome clones of ryan reynolds here duh .

    only reality is a bit different. and this is something that most people are to scared to admit.

    that the reason why they defend the "special place" for mythic raiding is because they have nothing else outside of it.

    It is real life but it's for a different reason than you think. Blizzard has insisted on implementing uncapped grinds and encouraging alting by refusing to implement an account wide loot lockout the first few weeks of a tier. This has led to massive burnout you even see players like Max who streams for a living straight up saying the game sucks now. The whole idea of raid logging is basically dead if you want to play in a decent guild which has drastically decreased the viable raiding population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Me as a casual player like being able to get decent gear while playing at a pace, not being forced into having to spend hours of homework to find a good guild that is 100% linked to my needs or end up pugging with what is list of pug groups where 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% would likely fail at putting their shoes on right.

    If that means I somehow get full mythic rated gear through titanforge who cares. It affects no one but me.
    Why do you need "good gear" if you aren't raiding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Forget it, apparently some random Billy getting a decent item once in a blue moon is destroying WoW as we know it.

    I think this whole thing would maybe have a merit from Heroic raider standpoint, where you can easily get directly competing gear from alternative sources, but I just think that Heroic raiding is simply not any more challenging than M+10 anyway and it's the only unlimited source of heroic ilvl gear outside PvP.

    Mythic raiders on the other hand have little to worry about, especially because of weapons being hard capped at +10WF and raid Azerite usually being best and capped at 400 for other sources aside from gamble one. So by definition in BfA best gear comes from Mythic raids, simply because nothing else drops comparable ilvl for key gear pieces anyway.

    Honestly I would not give a damn if Blizz would hard cap WF/TF to 15 or even 10 ilvls max, just as I don't really give a damn for random Joe getting a sweet TF roll on some random item. So if that is what it takes to stop all this bleating, by all means do it, but realistically it won't happen because much more people benefit from the system as opposed to being "harmed" by it.

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    Alternatively for all those who want to feel extra "speshul" they could increase gap between Heroic and Mythic ilvl to 25. That would do it too. Whether it's actually needed? Meehhh? Don't think so really.
    Yeah definitely has nothing to do with wow feeling like d3 with seasons and a slot machine nope nothing at all /s

  20. #760
    Quote Originally Posted by Deianeira View Post
    How do you know that they agree with Preach that WoW is shit? Or that he even thinks that it does over all? I am subscribed to Preach not because i think WoW is shit, but more because i usually like his "Drama Fridays" where he reads "player stories" from raiding and guild adventures of Wow players. And yes i agree with some of his complaints but he sure as fuck isnt "right" about anything.
    Cool thing about Youtube... them there comments below the videos allow people to agree or disagree. You should read them sometimes. As one might imagine, more people agree than disagree. Because you generally follow people you like/agree with.

    Apparently your mileage varied.

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