6 People shot at a mosque in New Zealand

[Elegiac]

Yes there is. People used to carry swords or daggers all the time in older civilizations but they weren't going on stabbing frenzies.

Yep. They were so peaceful that laws were passed to prohibit dueling or public rowdiness.....Oh, wait.

[Ashrynn]

Yes there is. People used to carry swords or daggers all the time in older civilizations but they weren't going on stabbing frenzies. Anyone can kill you if you give their back to them but walking unarmed is just stupid.

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It's a myth that armed population will cause more violence. You can always use a knife to cut the throat of someone who is unwary or simply stab him in the back. People should learn to use guns safely and responsibly. I am not talking about mosques or churches or school; people should just be armed for their own safety. Soft targets should not exist beyond schools possibly.

You can. But it's far easier to do it with a gun, to do it from a distance and unlike a knife you can't really do much to fend off a bullet coming right for your brain. And using a gun requires proper training which many do not wish to do either, so they're likely to just harm themselves or someone else by acting irresponsibly.

Also you're referring to a time when people barely had law enforcement(compared to today) and murders did happen all the time. And hell, advocate for gun rights, it's your prerogative to do so and I won't stop you, but you're making some asinine statements to justify it.

[hellhamster]

This guy is proof that the internet plays a number on the mind of the weak. /pol/ is satire that some take way too seriously. He named one of the guns Turkofagos which means Turk eater in Greek, ranted about removing kebab and played the Serbia stronk meme music. Like holy shit those are signs of a fucked up mind.

[Elegiac]

This guy is proof that the internet plays a number on the mind of the weak. /pol/ is satire that some take way too seriously. He named one of the guns Turkofagos which means Turk eater in Greek, ranted about removing kebab and played the Serbia stronk meme music. Like holy shit those are signs of a fucked up mind.

See my earlier post about bad satire.

[Razzako]

This guy is proof that the internet plays a number on the mind of the weak. /pol/ is satire that some take way too seriously. He named one of the guns Turkofagos which means Turk eater in Greek, ranted about removing kebab and played the Serbia stronk meme music. Like holy shit those are signs of a fucked up mind.

How can we assume the internet developed this racist lunatic into what he is, where he may have always been, perhaps even raised, as so.

[BlackBoss]

You’re conflating things which are not related. A racist and I could share a similar position on an issue (not regarding race) and that wouldn’t make me a racist. That’s guilt by association.

If someone here blames the muslims for what happened to them in the NZ attack, whether they are here or on stormfront, they are pieces of shit. I think the Nazis were smart because of their culture of hard work, someone else could think the nazis were smart because all white people are inherently smarter. There are certain telltales of a piece of shit, so let's not do the "Guilt by association" dance. People here on this one post on multiple pages have said it's the muslims fault, the shooter had a point but went about it the wrong way, immigration is analogous to an attack on whites...etc... just here they kind of try to cover it up loosely. I'll go as far as to say that most of the people here who say this vile shit are also on stormfront saying it, 4chan saying it, reddit saying it and Facebook saying it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, blames muslims for their own murders like a duck, it's a racist duck.

[Razzako]

Yes there is. People used to carry swords or daggers all the time in older civilizations but they weren't going on stabbing frenzies. Anyone can kill you if you give their back to them but walking unarmed is just stupid.

By the way, not at all, not even close. Ancient Republic of Rome, even during the times of the Empire, they took this kind of thing very seriously. For example, weapons were for all intents and purposes banned within the city so long as you weren't part of the city guard, in fact, the legions were not allowed to be near the city, at all. The general all lost their military ranks upon taking foot into the city IIRC. It was even considered barbarian to walk armed. Mob violence was done with improvised clubs, stones, and what not. Spears and swords were out of the question.

The martian reforms, even revolved around these limitations. If you want sources on this read Cicero's Philippic 5, Plutarch, list goes

You're completely wrong thinking older civilizations were a bunch of barbarians.

[hellhamster]

How can we assume the internet developed this racist lunatic into what he is, where he may have always been, perhaps even raised, as so.

His upbringing made him a racist probably, but people become fanatics about the most retarded shit for no reason at all, simply because they are easily influenced and read dumb shit on the internet.

[laplacedemon]

Fact: if the people in those mosques were armed, the casualties would have been far far less. They are partially stupid for not carrying a gun when the law allows it. The law gives you the right to defend yourself but you decide to be a sheep for slaughter.

I think that's bit of a stretch. It's not easy to hit a person with a gun (from 1998-2006, NYPD's average hit rage was 18% in gunfights, 37% in close range, highest average hit rate average I've seen is 48% in 2016 from LAPD and that's after a lot of training considering they increased it from 20% in 2013). Training aside, considering a mosque is a house of worship, unlike a police officer, people in a mosque wouldn't be in the mindset of kill-or-die because they wouldn't be expecting to be attacked. And since you can't even wear shoes in a mosque I doubt they would have their guns on them either.

This comes up when people say school teachers should be armed and I really don't think it's realistic that average people could just keep their calm, get their guns, have the courage to stand up during gunfire, keep their aim with all that's going on and the adrenaline they have running through hem like it's nothing. Some people can for sure and they would make great soldiers but I doubt they're that many.

[The Oblivion]

Funny, we don't really have any shootings in South Korea. I wonder why. Hmm.

south koreans are too busy killing themselves to kill others i guess?

[D Luniz]

That's why I said everyone should be trained about gun safety even in school. It should be mandatory to learn how to use a gun safely and responsibly. I'm against gun rights, I would like to abolish them but it's just stupid to not carry a gun WHILE the law allows you and others to carry it. Either abolish and ban all or just embrace it fully.

Fact: if the people in those mosques were armed, the casualties would have been far far less. They are partially stupid for not carrying a gun when the law allows it. The law gives you the right to defend yourself but you decide to be a sheep for slaughter.

if the problem was people accidently shooting themselves or others, then gun safety classes in school would make sense, but that itsnt remotely the close the problem

[downnola]

His upbringing made him a racist probably, but people become fanatics about the most retarded shit for no reason at all, simply because they are easily influenced and read dumb shit on the internet.

Mental health and upbringing play a big role in radicalization. There's a reason extremist groups target social outcasts from broken homes.

That's why I roll my eyes when people say that places like /pol/ are using nazi propaganda as satire and it's all in good fun. It's not "all in good fun", it's wreckless, nhilistic, and leads to attacks like this. That's the real problem here: nhilism that you see on boards like /pol/. They're so brainwashed and broken that they don't have any morals. If you point out the horrific nature of these attacks you're called a "moral fag", as if it's somehow bad to have morals. It's pure nhilism and needs to be defeated, plain and simple.

[Minikin]

How many do we have in this thread now? Ash? Metal? Derp? Torto? How many im I missing?

The first few pages are riddled with some of the trash too. Either we have an influx or teenage edgelords or perhaps MMO champ should forward some ip addresses cus we got some ticking Nazis here.

[dubious_doomhammer]

We're assuming people are trained. You should not carry a gun if you're not willing to go through its skill and safety training. Better train these kids on something that can save their lives than let them play shitty sports or video games.

Pretty sad fucking state of affairs when you think training children how to use guns is more productive than letting them be kids and enjoying sports and video games.

At what point does it start to making sense to change gun laws, instead of teaching kids how to kill other people to "save their lives"?

[StayTuned]

south koreans are too busy killing themselves to kill others i guess?

???

In any case, congratulations to the internet for turning this into a complete and utter shitfest.

People aren't even properly grieving, but instead discussing memes, PewDiePie some right wing websites and Trump.

Now even the OK sign is racist.

We're losing touch with reality.

[D3thray]

If someone here blames the muslims for what happened to them in the NZ attack, whether they are here or on stormfront, they are pieces of shit. I think the Nazis were smart because of their culture of hard work, someone else could think the nazis were smart because all white people are inherently smarter. There are certain telltales of a piece of shit, so let's not do the "Guilt by association" dance. People here on this one post on multiple pages have said it's the muslims fault, the shooter had a point but went about it the wrong way, immigration is analogous to an attack on whites...etc... just here they kind of try to cover it up loosely. I'll go as far as to say that most of the people here who say this vile shit are also on stormfront saying it, 4chan saying it, reddit saying it and Facebook saying it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, blames muslims for their own murders like a duck, it's a racist duck.

I’ve seen people with the perfectly reasonable desire to protect their own culture. If other cultures are good enough to import via immigration, it stands to reason that there’s every possibility that the endemic culture is as valuable if not moreso. But they also don’t go on murder sprees. You have to judge actions not words, because there are as many conclusions drawn about what action should be taken to address a perceived problem as there are people. This guy for example started at the very real demographic reality of many western countries and ended up with murder. Plenty of others including in this very thread have come to a different conclusion.

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If it were up to me, I'd have all property be private property, then you could let whomever you wanted on your property, and it wouldn't be anyone else's concern.

I never said a nation is not allowed to be nationalistic, I'm saying it goes against the principles of individual liberty and limited government.

You seem to be avoiding my questions.

Please explain to me how a border goes against the concept of individual liberty in the context of national sovereignty. I’m not avoiding your question, I’m telling you your premise is ludicrous.

A national border is an infringement of individual liberty as much as China’s decision not to issue a visa would be. As an American citizen I never had standing with the government of China, how is that an infringement of a liberty I never had?

[JohnBrown1917]

???

In any case, congratulations to the internet for turning this into a complete and utter shitfest.

People aren't even properly grieving, but instead discussing memes, PewDiePie some right wing websites and Trump.

Now even the OK sign is racist.

We're losing touch with reality.

New to dog whistles?

[StayTuned]

New to dog whistles?

Can't follow I am afraid

[anveena]

Can't follow I am afraid

the alt left decided that the ok sign is a white power symbol

[NED funded]

Clinton has a long history of islamophobia, including attacking one of the few muslim voices in US politics. Her cynically showing up at a vigil for grieving muslims to score some political points absolutely has to be challenged. The rhetoric her and other members of the political elite have benefited from has encouraged far right activism against muslims, that is absolutely inarguable.

Saying that Anti-semitism from elected officials is bad encourages alt right attacks?

JFC the lot of you are deranged.

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Can't follow I am afraid

Its a symbol that certain people use to mean "its okay to be white". Mostly used by alt right idiots akd edgy bois.