View Poll Results: How invested are you personally in fighting climate change?

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  • Need more info

    28 22.76%
  • I would be willing to cut my driving in half

    24 19.51%
  • I would be willing to have power cut 4 hours a day

    9 7.32%
  • No, such programs are not for me, let someone else do it

    62 50.41%
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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Pretty much this.

    "OMG guys we need to do something about climate change before its too late!"

    *proceeds to change absolutely nothing about their own lives, buying a new iPhone every year, driving their SUVs everywhere, living in huge energy inefficient properties, eating meat, etc.*
    The one who started it keeps getting interviewed and commended by said interviewers. I'd like one of them to ask her what specifically she wants each specific country to do, what policies she wants them to enact and why.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyorkbourne View Post
    The one who started it keeps getting interviewed and commended by said interviewers. I'd like one of them to ask her what specifically she wants each specific country to do, what policies she wants them to enact and why.
    Or maybe just leave that to the experts? Or what, you think kids are experts who can give detialed solutions?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khelek View Post
    China is currently suffocating on their own smog the way the west was during the industrial revolution. If they don't do something, they will have serious health issues along with the environmental ones. In fact, about 30% of the particulates in the San Francisco area come from coal power plants in China. It isn't surprising that China is spending gobs trying to save their cities. If your house is on fire you'll spend a great deal for fire extinguishers, but if your house in not on fire and only at risk you will simply maintain your existing extinguishers and replace them with better ones as necessary.

    Activist, like these students, are pushing for environmental regulations that will kill the very thing that breeds environmental protection--Wealth. Environmentalism comes from wealth. Poor and developing countries do not have the resources or will to fight these issues. Not starving or choking to death on smog are greater priorities for them. At present, the Western world has the wealth to develop these new environmentally friendly technologies and is doing so (hell we've had nuclear for decades, but the environmental lobby killed that already). Killing their economies with bullshit like the green new deal will create the exact opposite of the change we all wish to see.

    The only solution to climate change comes from the west not destroying their economies and using their wealth to develop economically viable green energy that can be exported to the developing world. That does not come from political activists.
    Beyond that China is investing a lot, your reasoning was we shouldn't do anything because others need to do more, how much more exactly? When is it going to be enough?

    Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The green energy sector is on the rise while all the rest including nuclear power plants are on its way out they are financially unstable. There is also a difference between regulations that work gradually and instant change. Poor nations indeed don't have these funds why its important to aid them.

    It helps when you stop thinking in extremes, in all or nothing. You'll end with less fear of change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    They are doing this because they want too, they have their own wills, you know?
    They are doing it because their teacher told them to. They don't actually understand any of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post



    Here's something we could do right now that would have a huge impact on climate change, drive our cars, buses, trucks on alternate days.

    If you're license ends in an even number, you drive on even days, don't drive on odd days. If it ends in a odd number, you drive on odd days. Car pooling is fine and is expected.

    Would you accept and follow such a program?

    How about the power company turns the electricity off for 4 hours a day? Like from 5pm to 9pm?

    How invested are you personally in fighting climate change?
    I would take every opportunity to skip a class, even to protest something I don't give a fuck about, which is why I never take protesting students seriously.

    And no, I will drive whenever I want, and ride a bike without any destination just for fun.
    If power company turn of my electricity I would instantly change it to another one.
    Last edited by AkundaMrdal; 2019-03-16 at 05:56 PM.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Or maybe try to understand that these kids have no power which is why they are fucking protesting, how dense are you?
    Of course they don't. There's a reason why we don't allow kids to drink, or vote: they're kids. Uneducated, naive, ignorant. I wouldn't want kids to wield any sort of power that's actually important unless they were, like, a brilliant child prodigy. Whereas in reality most of these children don't know squat about the geopolitical influences that have prevented much progress from happening. Instead of devoting themselves to change, they will come back home in a fossil fuelled method of transport, using social media apps on their environmentally damaging smartphones, causing their parents to pull their hair out when the phone bill comes, etc.

    Listening to a bunch of teenagers who don't know shit about most things is folly. So don't pretend they're in any way credible.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Its like you don't even understand what the biggest problems are and what they are protesting. And for the protests in the netherlands.. yeah.. most dont take the bus or get driven to school.
    Everyone fucking understands climate change is a thing and a problem. People are calling out these kids for protesting so vaguely, demanding 'change' but absolutely no actual objectives, specific changes they want enacted. And if they have them, I can't find them and the media aren't reporting them.

    Are they just about emissions? What's their stance on plastic pollution that combined with overfishing threatens to decimate fish stocks the world over? What's their alternative 'change' to our petroleum intensive agriculture, which is partially responsible for the destruction of insect populations and ecosystems? Are they just about mitigation, or are they promoting adaption to the inevitable changes that we've already incurred? Where do they want these adaptions, is it just flood defenses? What about depopulating floodplains to increase through-flow and flood lag time?

    That's the complaint. They haven't even finished their highschool science and geography classes and are yelling vaguely about change, but contribute nothing to making a change.

  8. #88
    At least young people started to take things in their hands. But the standing of the vote (most votes: 'no such programs are not for me') shows how serious the problem is.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Or maybe just leave that to the experts? Or what, you think kids are experts who can give detialed solutions?
    I think if you want to protest about something, you should have an actual understanding of the fucking problem. Doesn't take an expert to outline some basic changes if they're so concerned. Especially if they're supposedly leading the show. Because that's all it is right now, a show.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyorkbourne View Post
    Everyone fucking understands climate change is a thing and a problem. People are calling out these kids for protesting so vaguely, demanding 'change' but absolutely no actual objectives, specific changes they want enacted. And if they have them, I can't find them and the media aren't reporting them.

    Are they just about emissions? What's their stance on plastic pollution that combined with overfishing threatens to decimate fish stocks the world over? What's their alternative 'change' to our petroleum intensive agriculture, which is partially responsible for the destruction of insect populations and ecosystems? Are they just about mitigation, or are they promoting adaption to the inevitable changes that we've already incurred? Where do they want these adaptions, is it just flood defenses? What about depopulating floodplains to increase through-flow and flood lag time?

    That's the complaint. They haven't even finished their highschool science and geography classes and are yelling vaguely about change, but contribute nothing to making a change.
    Because they know we need to do something, but they aren't the fucking experts on it, they are calling on the government do something.

    Is it really so hard to even consider why a common person would protest without having to be an expert on the subject?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyorkbourne View Post
    I think if you want to protest about something, you should have an actual understanding of the fucking problem. Doesn't take an expert to outline some basic changes if they're so concerned. Especially if they're supposedly leading the show. Because that's all it is right now, a show.
    Or you protest so the government, with the help of the experts, do something about it. You don't need to be an expert to know the problems climate change causes.
    Is this like the first time you have ever seen a big protest? Should I tell you the French Yellow vests are also not all economists?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lionhearte0 View Post
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  11. #91
    Try "First world students skip classes to get a free day off come up with bullshit excuse to do so". Because over here no students skipped classes. And if they did try teachers would be out with the straps and switches to get them back in to class as fast as they could run since we don't have time for that bullshit.
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  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post



    Here's something we could do right now that would have a huge impact on climate change, drive our cars, buses, trucks on alternate days.

    If you're license ends in an even number, you drive on even days, don't drive on odd days. If it ends in a odd number, you drive on odd days. Car pooling is fine and is expected.

    Would you accept and follow such a program?

    How about the power company turns the electricity off for 4 hours a day? Like from 5pm to 9pm?

    How invested are you personally in fighting climate change?
    next time they want to bring awareness to climate change, they can go outside in blizzard to study instead of staying inside in a massive heated building, or go outside and study in +100 degree weather instead of staying inside in a massive air conditioned building.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tico View Post
    At least young people started to take things in their hands. But the standing of the vote (most votes: 'no such programs are not for me') shows how serious the problem is.
    thats the attitude of a lot of people bringing awareness of the problem. they go to Cancun or some other tropical paradise on plane to have a luxurious vacation type convention, right next to a village barely getting by on what they have.
    Last edited by zhero; 2019-03-16 at 06:00 PM.

  13. #93
    Oh look protesters protesting instead of actually doing something about what they are protesting about.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Magically? No. Legislatively? Yes. Case in point: The current Federal Government has a deal going to start up a brand new coal mine. The government is also currently looking at creating more coal-fire power plants. Instead they could be looking at the renewable sector, getting things like solar and wind with much more effecient storage methods. Instead the government is sadly too much in the pocket of the mining industry.

    This is a case where the government could make a significant, positive change.

    Can you back up this claim with evidence? In 2015, China was at the top, but the US was second, followed by India, Russia, Japan and Germany. (Source)

    The US has been reducing it's CO2 emissions since the 1980's while China has been increasing rapidly over that time and yet the US has not seen a decrease in power output over that time. It is almost as if the US has been developing more environmentally friendly energy that can meet demand for some time and continues to do so with or without political activists or massive legislation.

    As for the source you requested, I'll see if I can find it, but it is based off the rates of change in emissions. The US is decreasing as is most of Europe, while the developing world is very rapidly increasing. Just fast forward to see where most of the change will come from in the coming decades.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Scientists are urging us to act now, as we only have about two years before we cross that point of no return. Telling students to finish their schooling and go through university as some sort of solution is stupid. That limit will get crossed before many of these graduate high school.

    And even then, they can still be a scientist, but governments aren't listening to the scientists now!
    What actions are these scientist screaming for? Screaming for government to "do something" is not a solution. What is your/their solution? How are they going to help the environment, leaflets? PowerPoint presentations?

    Personally, I would like to see and expansion of nuclear power as it is the cleanest and most cost effective energy source. This is the best solution right now. As for the future, the holy grail would be batteries/energy storage that utilize superconducting since it would immediately make solar and wind actually economically viable, but that is still a ways off.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Try "First world students skip classes to get a free day off come up with bullshit excuse to do so". Because over here no students skipped classes. And if they did try teachers would be out with the straps and switches to get them back in to class as fast as they could run since we don't have time for that bullshit.
    They wont have any time if climate change does not get taken seriosly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    Oh look protesters protesting instead of actually doing something about what they are protesting about.
    Those kids can't do anything beside protest, do you even know how this works?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lionhearte0 View Post
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  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    And how much are they paying you?
    Who is they? The global temp has gone down. We can not legislate change in weather. The climate models have been proven wrong again and again. Why is the solve to global warming more government, taxes, and reduction in the standard of living for 99% of the planet while the 1% do whatever they like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanEX View Post
    Try "First world students skip classes to get a free day off come up with bullshit excuse to do so". Because over here no students skipped classes. And if they did try teachers would be out with the straps and switches to get them back in to class as fast as they could run since we don't have time for that bullshit.
    Most students in first world countries don't particularly care enough to go to these protests, it's always a fringe group, like the environmentalists club... or generally kids whose teachers are environmentalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Goodman1 View Post
    Yeah it would be nice to have my fridge shut down for 4 hours everyday. I guess I could walk to work on some days. Just makes my 8h day into 14 hr day. I am up for this. Let's go back to walking and using horses.
    I already walk to work. I drive my car maybe 5 miles/week (basically just for grocery shopping), unless I'm taking a trip somewhere, which is a once or twice a year thing. I also have a Prius so it doesn't use that much gas even when I do drive. I have to fill my gas tank maybe 3 times/year unless I'm taking a 600 mile trip or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    We need change now, but hey, you continue to ignore reality.
    Did change happen as a result of their walkout?


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  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Because they know we need to do something, but they aren't the fucking experts on it, they are calling on the government do something.

    Is it really so hard to even consider why a common person would protest without having to be an expert on the subject?

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    Or you protest so the government, with the help of the experts, do something about it. You don't need to be an expert to know the problems climate change causes.
    Is this like the first time you have ever seen a big protest? Should I tell you the French Yellow vests are also not all economists?
    Gonna hit you with a shock. Stuff is being done already, because we already had these protests and we already had policy enacted. Governments and experts have literally enacted policies to tackle it in the west. Now if they wanted to protest western governments to pressure Brazil, India, China, Russia and developing African/Asian countries, then sure, that's a pretty big issue. But a lot of what we're going to experience is going to be due to the lag time between emissions and impact.

    And I don't want them all to be climatologists, I want them to know what changes they want to happen if they're protesting it. This vagueness, from leadership will be a massive hindrance to them. I want to not drown or cook as much as the next guy, honestly, but if someones going to go and protest a well acknowledged issue that's being addressed, I want them to have something to offer, i.e changes to see implemented. It isn't a big ask.

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