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    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ton-poverty-uk

    Austerity is class warfare, make no mistake about it.

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    Here in the US, schools give out Chromebooks...but they might have to go to the Thrift store for a warm coat for some kids.

    My son goes to a school in the poorer part of town, but he goes there because it's also the best academic school as well. Strangely enough, it's also the least toxic high school to attend as well. As he has grown over the last three years, we/he has given his outgrown coats to his friends who aren't doing as well, whether in the middle school he was in, or the high school he's in now.

    Food is easy here in the Midwest. Coats, and sometimes heat when it gets colder than usual, not so much.

    (Again, I'm not so much affected by it personally, but, we do try to help where we can.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    Usually those are private schools and colleges though aren't they? Comes with specific plans and such but you're still paying for them in some fashion. Who's giving free iPads/iPhones to poor families? Not public schools in England that is for sure.
    I don't get why you people think apple products are some special thing that only people with a lot of disposable income can afford. As if carrier deals that give you the phone sometimes for free, or sell them to you at a very discounted rate don't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    Usually those are private schools and colleges though aren't they? Comes with specific plans and such but you're still paying for them in some fashion. Who's giving free iPads/iPhones to poor families? Not public schools in England that is for sure.
    I mean considering that YOU brought up that kids with no water to wash or food to eat have iPads maybe you could tell us how they get them. Seeing no one else is aware of this being true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I don't get why you people think apple products are some special thing that only people with a lot of disposable income can afford. As if carrier deals that give you the phone sometimes for free, or sell them to you at a very discounted rate don't exist.
    True but they're still not cheap to buy/subscribe to especially if you're living on government handouts and are potentially in a council house and may be jobless as well. A situation I bet you that a number of these kids families are in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean considering that YOU brought up that kids with no water to wash or food to eat have iPads maybe you could tell us how they get them. Seeing no one else is aware of this being true.
    Easy, rather than spending the money the families are given for their daily necessities on their meters to support their lives they instead are putting a majority of it towards consumer goods such as electronics on multi payment plans/recurring credit card payments. I mean its not the first time it has happened and won't be last especially when you have people cheating the system to get multiple handouts such as one story from the news a couple years back about an older woman who somehow managed to get five applications through on the dole and had been living on those collective handouts for about 15 years before they caught her out.
    There's this horrible realisation that BfA could all just be a fever dream caused by Argus cleaving us.
    Inb4 the twist is that Sylvanas has been a Dreadlord/Dead the whole of BfA and we've been doing someone else's dirty work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    True but they're still not cheap to buy/subscribe to especially if you're living on government handouts and are potentially in a council house and may be jobless as well. A situation I bet you that a number of these kids families are in.



    Easy, rather than spending the money the families are given for their daily necessities on their meters to support their lives they instead are putting a majority of it towards consumer goods such as electronics on multi payment plans/recurring credit card payments. I mean its not the first time it has happened and won't be last especially when you have people cheating the system to get multiple handouts such as one story from the news a couple years back about an older woman who somehow managed to get five applications through on the dole and had been living on those collective handouts for about 15 years before they caught her out.
    They are specially cheap when they're free or sometimes just 100...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    They are specially cheap when they're free or sometimes just 100...
    Please tell me when ever have you bought or upgraded for a new model phone and got it for free (without having to pay a recurring sub for so many months) or only had to pay £100 once? Cause frankly I would love to know who's selling you these deals.
    There's this horrible realisation that BfA could all just be a fever dream caused by Argus cleaving us.
    Inb4 the twist is that Sylvanas has been a Dreadlord/Dead the whole of BfA and we've been doing someone else's dirty work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    Please tell me when ever have you bought or upgraded for a new model phone and got it for free (without having to pay a recurring sub for so many months) or only had to pay £100 once? Cause frankly I would love to know who's selling you these deals.
    You said apple product, where did you say "new model"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    True but they're still not cheap to buy/subscribe to especially if you're living on government handouts and are potentially in a council house and may be jobless as well. A situation I bet you that a number of these kids families are in.



    Easy, rather than spending the money the families are given for their daily necessities on their meters to support their lives they instead are putting a majority of it towards consumer goods such as electronics on multi payment plans/recurring credit card payments. I mean its not the first time it has happened and won't be last especially when you have people cheating the system to get multiple handouts such as one story from the news a couple years back about an older woman who somehow managed to get five applications through on the dole and had been living on those collective handouts for about 15 years before they caught her out.
    You're doing a few things here that are kind of contributing to the problem.

    You're focusing on such an extreme minority, and using that to discredit the humanitarian nightmare thats occuring. Without taking into account all the variables that come with that tiny minority.

    Perhaps we should focus on the problem which is austerity and class warfare, rather than a handful of people who the Daily Mail regularly trawl for in order to push out propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    You said apple product, where did you say "new model"
    I kinda implied that? How many phone subscriptions/mobile plans offer phones from ten years ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    You're doing a few things here that are kind of contributing to the problem.

    You're focusing on such an extreme minority, and using that to discredit the humanitarian nightmare thats occuring. Without taking into account all the variables that come with that tiny minority.

    Perhaps we should focus on the problem which is austerity and class warfare, rather than a handful of people who the Daily Mail regularly trawl for in order to push out propaganda.
    I'm not trying to discredit anything, I'm pointing out part of the problem is literally people spending that money on frivolous items instead of focusing on supporting their families. You don't need an iPhone X or iPad whatever it's at now to live or a 50" TV that you've been paying off for the last 2 years and a Netflix sub you can barely afford. Not to mention this isn't just happening with poor families, it also happens with uni students who get student loans and drop it on random junk rather than using it sensibly. People can't seem to spend sensibly across the classes. Not to mention I saw that story I mentioned on the BBC, not pulled from that joke of a tabloid.
    There's this horrible realisation that BfA could all just be a fever dream caused by Argus cleaving us.
    Inb4 the twist is that Sylvanas has been a Dreadlord/Dead the whole of BfA and we've been doing someone else's dirty work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    Austerity is class warfare, make no mistake about it.
    Austerity is awefull.
    We tried it in Greece.
    It does not work.
    At all!

    That being said, Greece had absolutely no social programs whatsoever, and a crisis bigger than the biggest crisis of U.S. and the amount of people that actually starved was close to zero. Struggle yes. Starve no. It was so rare, that if the reporters found a family that had no food, it made the news. And this during what is by all accounts, the biggest crisis ever in a western country. (Greece has since then started some social programs, many years after the crisis)

    Because people knew there is no help from the state, and to expect nothing.
    In countries were people have many social programs and handouts, there is where the people starve in the first sign of trouble.

    Anyway, whenever you hear the word austerity, wear your yellow jacket!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    I'm not trying to discredit anything, I'm pointing out part of the problem is literally people spending that money on frivolous items instead of focusing on supporting their families. You don't need an iPhone X or iPad whatever it's at now to live or a 50" TV that you've been paying off for the last 2 years and a Netflix sub you can barely afford. Not to mention this isn't just happening with poor families, it also happens with uni students who get student loans and drop it on random junk rather than using it sensibly. People can't seem to spend sensibly across the classes. Not to mention I saw that story I mentioned on the BBC, not pulled from that joke of a tabloid.
    But its not helping, and its not something that when we focus on, actually results in any change or progress. It just fuels bigotry.

    I can understand the argument that perhaps as a society we should be taught better from an early age on how to manage finances, but arguably thats an oversight from our archaic schooling system.

    The main issue is that we have a system thats designed to perpetuate misery on a countrywide scale, I think when we fix that we can then look at the minor problems of people abusing the system or failing to spend appropriately.

    And I'm not saying we cant discuss two issues, I just think that diluting the conversation with the country in the state it is, doesnt help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknessvamp View Post
    I kinda implied that? How many phone subscriptions/mobile plans offer phones from ten years ago?



    I'm not trying to discredit anything, I'm pointing out part of the problem is literally people spending that money on frivolous items instead of focusing on supporting their families. You don't need an iPhone X or iPad whatever it's at now to live or a 50" TV that you've been paying off for the last 2 years and a Netflix sub you can barely afford. Not to mention this isn't just happening with poor families, it also happens with uni students who get student loans and drop it on random junk rather than using it sensibly. People can't seem to spend sensibly across the classes. Not to mention I saw that story I mentioned on the BBC, not pulled from that joke of a tabloid.
    You didn't imply shit, you said "apple products" where is the implication of "brand new" in that? Iphone 6s and 7s are often free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    I bet this is an exaggeration. Is it?
    I suggest you focus on your own country's problems and don't worry too much about what's going on in the UK.

    Shortly, we will be leaving Earth and departing for Mars.

    Bai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Do some research and you'll find it's not.
    Hubcap doesn't create these threads out of a genuine desire to learn things...
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    This can be fixed easily by doing two things. More immigration, stop trying to leave the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crooka100 View Post
    You won't be going anywhere son. Call me when the UK becomes relevant again. You can't sort out the right pallets for exports let alone medicine shortages and NHS staff funding problems.

    You cut funding for the police and now your capital city London is overun by thugs who knife people in broad daylight while your shops get mugged. You are a dustbin country.
    Yes. I agree entirely.

    As I say, shortly, we will be departing for Mars.

    Bai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d00mGuArD View Post
    That being said, Greece had absolutely no social programs whatsoever, and a crisis bigger than the biggest crisis of U.S. and the amount of people that actually starved was close to zero. Struggle yes. Starve no. It was so rare, that if the reporters found a family that had no food, it made the news. And this during what is by all accounts, the biggest crisis ever in a western country. (Greece has since then started some social programs, many years after the crisis)
    We did have kids showing up to school with empty stomachs. And the number of homeless has exploded. Keep in mind that while Greece had few welfare programs, it also had strong social safety nets; you could count on extended family to help you for a fairly long time and families in general stick together and share the burden. Plus if all else fails, the Church is very wealthy and has charities everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    We did have kids showing up to school with empty stomachs. And the number of homeless has exploded. Keep in mind that while Greece had few welfare programs, it also had strong social safety nets; you could count on extended family to help you for a fairly long time and families in general stick together and share the burden. Plus if all else fails, the Church is very wealthy and has charities everywhere.
    All of which applies to all countries. The Church is even stronger in Christian countries, and there are families everywhere.
    The kids that showed up with empty stomachs were so rare that when one was detected it made the TV news!

    And well... of course there was (still is) poverty! Big time!
    Just saying that when people don't expect handouts, they take other measures. and that in the countries where people just expect the government to take care of them, would fare much worse in a similar situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    In America, food is incredibly cheap. It's the housing that takes up the biggest chunk of your budget.
    This is true. Its also why a lot of self-made millionaires in America who lack much formal education made it by playing the housing market. Some of them I know just had good credit, bought homes, then rented out rooms for massive profits. Easy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I was bored with the Horde civil war plot in BfA the moment it started. Its a rehash. I'm expecting them it to be like 99% similar to the Garrosh story & then they do Shyamalan swerve at the end & then we'll see a bunch of comments & videos from people telling me "see its not 100% the same!" when that wasn't the complaint -- its TOO similar to the Garrosh plot.

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