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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyvax View Post
    It's okay for free games to sell things in an in-game store

    It's not okay for a game that costs money and charges a subscription to sell things in an in-game store
    If every shouting monkey on this forum would be in charge at Blizz for 1 quarter, the company would go down like mad. YOU are not forced to buy it, it isn't pay to win. The way companies work is that you must find new ways to generate income aswell as finding new ways to NOT lose money.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    Transmorpher is worth it. Randomly doing global shouts of boss quotes is the best.
    Someone bought this in our raid last night.

    It was super fun!
    Got turned into MagT KT, yelling his death emote when we wiped was freak'n great.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by bigsav1 View Post
    I mean, you don't have to suck blizzards dick so hard.
    Logic = dick sucking, apparently

  4. #144
    So can everyone hear boss quotes you yell or just people you're grouped with? Do the sounds play for everyone too.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Cosmetics or not, they are exclusive to the store. That's acceptable practice for free to play, or buy to play games. Not for buy, pay a sub, and here's extra stuff to pay for in store game like WoW.
    It's almost a decade since the Sparkly Pony hit the shop and made a huge controversy - but despite all the handwaving, it made millions.
    The shop is and has been acceptable monetization practice for many, many, many years.

    The boat sailed. The train left.
    The world has moved on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    It absolutely ruins the game
    I'm sorry, but. lol.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Cosmetics or not, they are exclusive to the store. That's acceptable practice for free to play, or buy to play games. Not for buy, pay a sub, and here's extra stuff to pay for in store game like WoW. It absolutely ruins the game because it charges different fees three times over.
    Nobody cares about $25 Fortnite skins because the game is free to play. Having some unique mounts in game is no justification for store mounts. Blizzard is charging us monthly fees then uses that money to create store mounts and sell them to us, instead of creating interesting game content and rewards.
    play the game ,earn gold , buy tokens , get the toys if you cant live without them and win

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    It's almost a decade since the Sparkly Pony hit the shop and made a huge controversy - but despite all the handwaving, it made millions.
    The shop is and has been acceptable monetization practice for many, many, many years.

    The boat sailed. The train left.
    The world has moved on.
    Yeah, it did. That's why WoW's been left in a dumpster fire for good 7-8 years where only growth is from microtransactions while the quality of product and number of players steadily decline.

    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    play the game ,earn gold , buy tokens , get the toys if you cant live without them and win
    Someone else paid real money for those tokens. The issue is not in the type of items or whether they can be bought for gold, it's in the existence of microtransactions in a sub based game. Since BFA released we've seen a series of store schemes and this latest one where Blizzard asks players to pay for their dead e-sports circus.
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  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Yeah, it did. That's why WoW's been left in a dumpster fire for good 7-8 years where only growth is from microtransactions while the quality of product and number of players steadily decline.


    Someone else paid real money for those tokens. The issue is not in the type of items or whether they can be bought for gold, it's in the existence of microtransactions in a sub based game. Since BFA released we've seen a series of store schemes and this latest one where Blizzard asks players to pay for their dead e-sports circus.
    store schemes? lol are you for real , its a damn toy . what will happen if you dont buy it? you make it seem like toys make you a better player

  9. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    These are to support their eSports program. Proceeds will go towards the prize pool for the Mythic Dungeon Invitational and Arena World Championship.

    Basically you can buy these to increase the payout that will go to the winners of those competitions. Similar idea to the OWL items in Overwatch, and other such items in several other games with major eSports scenes.
    Okay, but why should I be doing that? Rather then the billion dollar company sponsoring these eSports programs which It has a boner for In each of It's games? I don't mind giving support to something I like and Is player and consumer friendly, but this isn't. Read the fine print my dude "For a LIMITED TIME 25 % of the earnings from the toys goes to eSports things" a limited time, and only 25 % Imean comeone. It's not like the toys were hard to make, we already have fancy fireworks that do stuff like that It likely didn't take anyone longer than a few days to make, even less.

    It's almost as Insulting as the RED DOT SIGHT that Activision tried to pull in Call of Duty. This just shows how, again, the Claws of Activision are being dug deeper into Blizzard's dying husk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Yeah, it did. That's why WoW's been left in a dumpster fire for good 7-8 years where only growth is from microtransactions while the quality of product and number of players steadily decline.


    Someone else paid real money for those tokens. The issue is not in the type of items or whether they can be bought for gold, it's in the existence of microtransactions in a sub based game. Since BFA released we've seen a series of store schemes and this latest one where Blizzard asks players to pay for their dead e-sports circus.
    Exactly, Heroes has fallen, both the eSports and the game Itself is in Maintanance as Is WoW arguably since 9-10 years now. WoW only does well because of It's Microtransations, fancy mounts that we buy rather than earn Ingame, I predicted toys would be store Items in WoD. Now I'm predicting Allied Races will come with a fee to unlock Instantly without any quests or achivements needed to unlock them within the next 1-3 expansions.
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  10. #150
    How someone can have anything bad to say about this awesome toy is out of my mind.

    I did buy it, for gold, as The GM of my guild and its hillarious Fun to pop it.

    The quotes from The Bosses are The best.

  11. #151
    ....god-forbid that a game company sells anything "cosmetic" or "fun" to support their game... sigh, people...

  12. #152
    Came back to this thread after a few days, hoping to find someone explain in detail, logically, emotionlessly, why this is such a bad, gamebreaking thing. Alas, was disappointed. Still only the usual bullshit of "sub game shouldn't have microtransactions", without any explanation as to WHY. Oh, well, at least the other posts were entertaining.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Dirty move, but expected from Acti-Blizzard. Players are already paying extortionate fees of $60 per expansion (a price fit for FULL games) and $15 monthly for a game barren of any meaningful content. That's $210 a year to play WoW. And on top of that they find a way to shoehorn microtransactions in, and now they even want players to fund an uninteresting and dead e-sport.
    You remind me of my friend. He actually quit WoW...around WoD I believe? mostly for financial reasons. He also kept going on and on about how there's nothing to do in WoW, how 15$ a month is a robbery, how expansions should be cheaper...Now he plays the "AAA" games, plus some indie stuff, since WoD he tried dozens, if not hundreds by now, with prices anywhere between 10 to 60$? 80$?. I don't think he played ANY of those games for longer than 2 weeks. And yet, somehow, 2 weeks of "fun" for 60$ is somehow perfectly fine and justified in his eyes, while playing WoW for months if not years for the same price...Bad deal. Oh, well. No one said people are smart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    Which is not very much money at all. You only have to buy four (4) normal priced $60 videogames every year to end up with same cost, so once every quarter. Most new videogames won't have enough content to last a whole quarter, so you'll end up buying DLCs on top of that. Also there's a good chance those four games also have cash shops for cosmetics. WoW is not very expensive.

    I don't really see the problem. If you don't want to use the shop, then don't. If you don't like financing MDI/Arena, then don't. If you don't like playing WoW, because it's too expensive, then don't.

    You are in control of this thing.
    A reasonable person? On MMMO-C? Dude, hide! Run for your life! They will eat you alive here.

    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    people crying for anything and feeling entitled is why we cant have nice things
    How do I upvote this guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity91 View Post
    Not being stupid enough to waste 10 bucks equals bei ng poor now.

    K.
    Huh, guess you learn new things everyday. Dear diary, today I learned that spending money (a very tiny amount of money, I might add) on something a person enjoys, apparently means they're being stupid. Huh. Guess it takes one to know one.

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    It's almost like Blizzard is a for profit business.

  14. #154
    The aggressive 'people can buy this if they want' people in the thread are greatly amusing.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post
    The aggressive 'people can buy this if they want' people in the thread are greatly amusing.
    Do you mean the "you dont HAVE to buy it" people?

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Cosmetics or not, they are exclusive to the store. That's acceptable practice for free to play, or buy to play games. Not for buy, pay a sub, and here's extra stuff to pay for in store game like WoW. It absolutely ruins the game because it charges different fees three times over.
    Nobody cares about $25 Fortnite skins because the game is free to play. Having some unique mounts in game is no justification for store mounts. Blizzard is charging us monthly fees then uses that money to create store mounts and sell them to us, instead of creating interesting game content and rewards.
    Uh? Shops are a standard for all MMOs.

    Looking at the ESO plus it kinda looks pay to win-ish to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVaryag View Post
    Okay, but why should I be doing that?
    If you don't want to then don't. It's your choice to make.

    Simple as that. You're (presumably) an adult, you can spend your money how you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Cosmetics or not, they are exclusive to the store.
    Yeah, but you can just buy two WoW Tokens off the AH (current price is about 110k gold each) and buy both toys. That's cheaper than some vendor mounts.

    And you'd have $10 in Battle.net Balance left over that you could put towards a pet or a mount or whatever.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Sethus View Post
    Yeah, it did. That's why WoW's been left in a dumpster fire for good 7-8 years where only growth is from microtransactions while the quality of product and number of players steadily decline.
    I’m sure someone could link the product lifecycle graph that regularly comes out when people make wild claims and correlations like that. I understand that this is a huge issue to you and I respect you for still fighting against the Man a decade after it was a thing.

    I’m afraid I really don’t believe in your theory though. The total cost of WoW ownership with a sub, a box every third year, and a 10-25 bucks worth of cosmetic pixels at your own convenience/will just doesn’t register as expensive or a rip-off compared to other games and monetization models. We haven’t even seen inflation price increases to the sub in the past 15 years.

    You’ll have to work harder if you really want to convince me that the sparkle pony is the reason for WoW’s decline. Right now, I’m sorry to say, you come across as an old angry man yelling at clouds. And I suspect you’re actually younger than me. Time to get on with the times?

    PS. If you want to make a case, then look into the pricing and production cost of the value add account services. That’s a pretty clear ripoff. This ain’t it though.
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  19. #159
    What i find surprising is the amount of whining here. Either you buy the toy or you don't. Nobody is forcing your wallet to buy them. *sure, your diehard toy collectors will most likely shell out the cash* but doesn't mean everyone has to.
    So what...blizz puts some toys in the store and it sparks an outrage. Buy or don't buy, it's pretty simple.
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  20. #160
    Yeaaa until something from the shop increases your power, we'll talk.
    I wonder if y'all know that the warforged nightmare is a mount that you can share with your party, too?

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