There is a $10 toy on the in game shop

[Sethus]

Which is not very much money at all. You only have to buy four (4) normal priced $60 videogames every year to end up with same cost, so once every quarter. Most new videogames won't have enough content to last a whole quarter, so you'll end up buying DLCs on top of that. Also there's a good chance those four games also have cash shops for cosmetics. WoW is not very expensive.

I don't really see the problem. If you don't want to use the shop, then don't. If you don't like financing MDI/Arena, then don't. If you don't like playing WoW, because it's too expensive, then don't.

You are in control of this thing.

You kind of answered your own question. Games cost $60 or they're free, and then make additional revenue through cash shop selling cosmetics/boosts. WoW charges a full game price for each expansion, $15 a month subscription, AND adds store on top of that. The difference is obvious. We're paying a premium price for a product yet we receive scheme upon scheme of store baits.

The argument of not using the store if one doesn't like it is invalid because WoW's entire monetization system is convoluted and perverted version of itself. Games like Dota 2 finance their e-sports from the store, and that's completely fine because base game is free and there's no subscription fee. Elder Scrolls Online is another good example with their buy to play plus store. WoW players who already pay too much should get these items through interesting in game events and quests and not be forced to pay a third time.

[plz delete account]

I mean, you don't have to suck blizzards dick so hard.

I mean, you don't have to commit infractions so hard

[Cross this out when infracted]

[Azerate]

This is old news already. They announced those toys like 2 months ago.

Not sure if I want to spend 10E on a toy, I thought they would be at 5. Pets are already at 10 and these are way more interactive.

I guess I'll wait for some sale in the future. The toy that transforms you into bosses is cool

[Mighty Tim]

Yeah, I'd love to go back to the 90's where you paid $70 for a game on a Sega that had 3 hours of gaemplay. Wooooo weeeeeeeeeeee

Not all of us bought terrible games though.

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or you miss those times because back then people could hide the fact how poor they were ?

im not writing this to be a dick - but its truth - most people dont mind spending 50 $ a month on microtrasactions in games they enjoy.

i get it - some people live in poor countries where 10$ is relatively decent amount of money - but its not blizzard fault that their economy is so fucked up .

I just don't like being nickeled and dimed. I could pay 400$ a month on games doesn't mean I want to.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I am NOT a fan of this toy. I kinda think Toys were the fine line of acceptance for the store. That, and gear transmog. It's simply wrong and I will not encourage it.

[Oneirophobia]

does the toy make your character better is any way?
will it help you win a raid boss fight or dungeon in anyway?
it is cosmetic , other games sell shit for much more already

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they sold helmets , none bought them , they removed them .
dont buy it if you dont like it , vote with your wallet
but it doesnt ruin your game in any way

It most certainly does ruin the game. You have “free” mounts in game and you have shop mounts. If you’re Blizz and trying to hit specific profit goals, how do you encourage people to buy your store mounts when there are mounts readily available in game?

Simple, you put unique, high quality mounts in the store and do some reskinned horses for the rest. One of the first rules of selling product is to not compete with yourself. Look no further than the pig mounts who have are a rather poor remodel of the existing direhorn. We didn’t see an actual pig model until the lunar festival in which a unique pig was put into the store. Could have been a reward for the actual in game event but that wouldn’t generate any additional sales.
Similarly, the masked laughing skull bug is a store mount when that faction could have just had it as a rep reward.

At some point you need to take a step back and accept that you’re:

-paying a $60+ box price for the game
-paying $15 a month to play that game

And neither of those two things give you access to everything the game has to offer without shelling out more money. We’re not even talking about $10 store mounts, $3 toys and $5 pets, we’re talking $35 mounts and $10 pets and toys.

[niztheundead87]

It most certainly does ruin the game. You have “free” mounts in game and you have shop mounts. If you’re Blizz and trying to hit specific profit goals, how do you encourage people to buy your store mounts when there are mounts readily available in game?

Simple, you put unique, high quality mounts in the store and do some reskinned horses for the rest. One of the first rules of selling product is to not compete with yourself. Look no further than the pig mounts who have are a rather poor remodel of the existing direhorn. We didn’t see an actual pig model until the lunar festival in which a unique pig was put into the store. Could have been a reward for the actual in game event but that wouldn’t generate any additional sales.
Similarly, the masked laughing skull bug is a store mount when that faction could have just had it as a rep reward.

At some point you need to take a step back and accept that you’re:

-paying a $60+ box price for the game
-paying $15 a month to play that game

And neither of those two things give you access to everything the game has to offer without shelling out more money. We’re not even talking about $10 store mounts, $3 toys and $5 pets, we’re talking $35 mounts and $10 pets and toys.

still cosmetics , they dont make you better in raids or pvp
it doesnt ruin the game in anyway dont buy them , never bought any shop item never will
other crap games like fortnite sell a weapon skin for 25 eu and none cares.
and btw do you know what is a unique mount , the mounts you get from glory of the raider achievments and mythic bosses

[Soon-TM]

still cosmetics , they dont make you better in raids or pvp
it doesnt ruin the game in anyway dont buy them , never bought any shop item never will
other crap games like fortnite sell a weapon skin for 25 eu and none cares.
and btw do you know what is a unique mount , the mounts you get from glory of the raider achievments and mythic bosses

Comparing WoW with a F2P game is #$&!ing disingenuous, and you know it... don't you?

[Djuntas]

Just a tip: Dont buy these things until december sale...25-50% off....renember this

[niztheundead87]

Comparing WoW with a F2P game is #$&!ing disingenuous, and you know it... don't you?

so you are ok when a f2p game sells a weapos skin for 25 eu
or when total war selled the chaos faction as dlc
or when ea sells stuff worse than this all the time

[Soon-TM]

so you are ok when a f2p game sells a weapos skin for 25 eu
or when total war selled the chaos faction as dlc
or when ea sells stuff worse than this all the time

Other companies doing scummy things do not make Blizzard doing (almost) the same any better. And my point from the post you quoted still stands.

[niztheundead87]

Other companies doing scummy things do not make Blizzard doing (almost) the same any better. And my point from the post you quoted still stands.

apex legends a f2p game sells stuff for premium aka exp boosts , faster item rewards and faster leveling so if you dont buy them you are not on the same level as a premium player , which makes it kinda enfocring to buy them .we are talking about stuff that actually make you better in game. p2w.so in the end it is not f2p at all.


wow a sub based game sells toys , cosmetics only , that by no means affect your game play , will never make you any better in raids ,dungeons or pvp .
the items sold are supposed to support the esports .if you dont buy them it will never make you feel like you are a no premium player.

whining about toys is what is disturbing

[Sethus]

still cosmetics , they dont make you better in raids or pvp
it doesnt ruin the game in anyway dont buy them , never bought any shop item never will
other crap games like fortnite sell a weapon skin for 25 eu and none cares.
and btw do you know what is a unique mount , the mounts you get from glory of the raider achievments and mythic bosses

Cosmetics or not, they are exclusive to the store. That's acceptable practice for free to play, or buy to play games. Not for buy, pay a sub, and here's extra stuff to pay for in store game like WoW. It absolutely ruins the game because it charges different fees three times over.
Nobody cares about $25 Fortnite skins because the game is free to play. Having some unique mounts in game is no justification for store mounts. Blizzard is charging us monthly fees then uses that money to create store mounts and sell them to us, instead of creating interesting game content and rewards.

[Softbottom]

I'm all for store items (as long as they aren't gamebreaking or giving advantage in game in any kind of way). Toys, transmogs, mounts; who cares. Let people spend gold & money. If you aren't interested in them then don't buy them.

[Cannibalus]

It's okay for free games to sell things in an in-game store

It's not okay for a game that costs money and charges a subscription to sell things in an in-game store

If every shouting monkey on this forum would be in charge at Blizz for 1 quarter, the company would go down like mad. YOU are not forced to buy it, it isn't pay to win. The way companies work is that you must find new ways to generate income aswell as finding new ways to NOT lose money.

[Yunaqt]

Transmorpher is worth it. Randomly doing global shouts of boss quotes is the best.

Someone bought this in our raid last night.

It was super fun!
Got turned into MagT KT, yelling his death emote when we wiped was freak'n great.

[Armakus]

I mean, you don't have to suck blizzards dick so hard.

Logic = dick sucking, apparently

[Kereberus]

So can everyone hear boss quotes you yell or just people you're grouped with? Do the sounds play for everyone too.

[niztheundead87]

Cosmetics or not, they are exclusive to the store. That's acceptable practice for free to play, or buy to play games. Not for buy, pay a sub, and here's extra stuff to pay for in store game like WoW. It absolutely ruins the game because it charges different fees three times over.
Nobody cares about $25 Fortnite skins because the game is free to play. Having some unique mounts in game is no justification for store mounts. Blizzard is charging us monthly fees then uses that money to create store mounts and sell them to us, instead of creating interesting game content and rewards.

play the game ,earn gold , buy tokens , get the toys if you cant live without them and win

[Sethus]

It's almost a decade since the Sparkly Pony hit the shop and made a huge controversy - but despite all the handwaving, it made millions.
The shop is and has been acceptable monetization practice for many, many, many years.

The boat sailed. The train left.
The world has moved on.

Yeah, it did. That's why WoW's been left in a dumpster fire for good 7-8 years where only growth is from microtransactions while the quality of product and number of players steadily decline.

play the game ,earn gold , buy tokens , get the toys if you cant live without them and win

Someone else paid real money for those tokens. The issue is not in the type of items or whether they can be bought for gold, it's in the existence of microtransactions in a sub based game. Since BFA released we've seen a series of store schemes and this latest one where Blizzard asks players to pay for their dead e-sports circus.