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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Being a marketleader doesn't mean you're the only game in town... Sony was at approximately $17.3b in gaming revenue last year. Microsoft 10.8, Nintendo 9.2.
    Then you throw in PC ~ $34b... And they're still less than mobile gaming.

    Sony may be large in the console space, 50%, but that's still only between 6-11% of the gaming market as a whole.

    Basically everyone and their mother is getting into the streaming game, someone will solve the pricing and technology equation... It just probably won't be Stadia.


    Edit - I'm also seeing some things online that there may be a free/very low cost xCloud tier, but we'll see that on Sunday. That would truly eat Stadia's lunch.
    I think once 5g rollout is more global things like the stadia and streaming services like it probably will be one of the ways of the future. Easier to upgrade gen's in the background without having to have big buy in by the consumer to lower a hurdle to improving. With 5g latency and bandwidth should be more available at usable speeds for this kind of functionality. I still see some of the complaints being who at this moment has that fast of a connection with no data caps that does not have a better platform to play these things than streaming with extra latency.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    I think once 5g rollout is more global things like the stadia and streaming services like it probably will be one of the ways of the future. Easier to upgrade gen's in the background without having to have big buy in by the consumer to lower a hurdle to improving. With 5g latency and bandwidth should be more available at usable speeds for this kind of functionality. I still see some of the complaints being who at this moment has that fast of a connection with no data caps that does not have a better platform to play these things than streaming with extra latency.
    What's to stop someone from using another service with a better library and better pricing? Even if they nail the technology the pricing structure is way out of line to what's expected by a service like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    I think once 5g rollout is more global things like the stadia and streaming services like it probably will be one of the ways of the future. Easier to upgrade gen's in the background without having to have big buy in by the consumer to lower a hurdle to improving. With 5g latency and bandwidth should be more available at usable speeds for this kind of functionality. I still see some of the complaints being who at this moment has that fast of a connection with no data caps that does not have a better platform to play these things than streaming with extra latency.
    We have 5g in portland and it isnt much better, especially if theres still a lot of congestion.

  4. #244
    Well cant wait for Stadia i support them fully was never a fan of physical Copys and i want to Play where i want to on what device i want to Phone or TV or on PC no need to buy a new PC anymore, no need for consoles....i am minimalist i dont want to waste space for Consoles.
    But i love my Compact Switch thats for sure the Future Together with Stadia. Just my Opinion.

    Thank you Google.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    We have 5g in portland and it isnt much better, especially if theres still a lot of congestion.
    The USA only have fake 5G. You don't even have decent LTE compared to South Korea or other Asian countries.

    Let's just face it, Stadia is not for the average American customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    The USA only have fake 5G. You don't even have decent LTE compared to South Korea or other Asian countries.

    Let's just face it, Stadia is not for the average American customer.
    It's not for anyone who cares about gaming at all. Anyone who is casual enough for this to appeal to is just playing fucking smartphone games.

    The most popular fucking genre of games are FPS games, which are games where the input lag will be instantly noticeable through streaming. This is dead in the fucking water. Also it comes at a time where people trust Google less than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    The USA only have fake 5G. You don't even have decent LTE compared to South Korea or other Asian countries.

    Let's just face it, Stadia is not for the average American customer.
    Yeah... Portland does not have 5G yet. It has 5GE... Which is ATT trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
    https://www.cellularmaps.com/5g-coverage.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berthier View Post

    Thank you Google.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    The USA only have fake 5G. You don't even have decent LTE compared to South Korea or other Asian countries.

    Let's just face it, Stadia is not for the average American customer.
    Well thats stupid but alright

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    The most popular fucking genre of games are FPS games, which are games where the input lag will be instantly noticeable through streaming. This is dead in the fucking water. Also it comes at a time where people trust Google less than ever.
    Input lag, rubberbanding, and lag-interp deaths behind 20m of wall, oh my! Also hacks. Lots and lots of hacking from how much inputs will have to rely on clientside data. Stadia will really make you FEEL like 90s online gaming...

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    5G NR isn't exactly a magic bullet for this. The touted bandwidth and latency requires a lot of caveats. mmWave spectrum has issues with range and surrounding elements. You basically require line of sight to the tower or node and dependent on weather. Rain may reduce the range for example. Verizon already rolled out 5G NR in a few cities and we already have some tests about how finicky it is getting a signal. More nodes will need to be rolled out and it's going to be a long time before we get even any reliable coverage. The sub 6GHz has more promise coverage wise than mmWave but will be more susceptible to congestion. Also the latency touted is for device to tower, not anything after that.

    This also doesn't matter cause it's not bringing the data center to you. Latency by distance is still going to be there.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    It's not for anyone who cares about gaming at all. Anyone who is casual enough for this to appeal to is just playing fucking smartphone games.

    The most popular fucking genre of games are FPS games, which are games where the input lag will be instantly noticeable through streaming. This is dead in the fucking water. Also it comes at a time where people trust Google less than ever.
    Just how big do you think the input lag is from something like Fortnite, currently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Yeah... Portland does not have 5G yet. It has 5GE... Which is ATT trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
    https://www.cellularmaps.com/5g-coverage.shtml
    Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).

    Oh hey, that's also the biggest gaming markets.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).

    Oh hey, that's also the biggest gaming markets.
    Chinese internet is fucking terrible for the most part and worse then the US even.

    The only countries in asia with good internet are Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and South Korea. That's only a combined population of 191 million. Far cry from being "the biggest gaming market".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Just how big do you think the input lag is from something like Fortnite, currently?

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    Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).

    Oh hey, that's also the biggest gaming markets.
    5G literally just rolled out in SK in April. It's still super new technology. Japan isn't rolling out their networks until 2020. China just issued licenses for the first companies Thursday... It really doesn't exist in any usable form outside of SK and a handful of places across the globe.

    And as others have stated... It's not a magic bullet.

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    I had a 10 gbit connected directly to the internet backbone (one of the first places to be connected to the internet ever) at my old place and I still wouldn't take this over the experience of a PC. Even with just 16 ms roundtrip to the datacenter. Since I moved it would be much worse and the compression has to be out of this world to work on something like 20 mbit internet.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Chinese internet is fucking terrible for the most part and worse then the US even.
    lul, what. The Chinese internet is one of the best in the world. It's just Facebook and other western shit works slowly because of the "great firewall".

    USA internet is the worst in OECD countires, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    5G literally just rolled out in SK in April. It's still super new technology. Japan isn't rolling out their networks until 2020. China just issued licenses for the first companies Thursday... It really doesn't exist in any usable form outside of SK and a handful of places across the globe.

    And as others have stated... It's not a magic bullet.
    I should have phrased differently. Yes, there are a few 5G installations currently, what I meant is that the USA won't have them for at least 5 years or so. And given how LTE rollout worked, even by that time, you won't see the full potential of technology.

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    requires 50mbit connection?

    Well there goes 90% of North America
    We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    requires 50mbit connection?

    Well there goes 90% of North America

    I'm still baffled that having a 50mb connection is such a hard thing in America. In Sweden where i live 100mb is the standard and it costs abit more than a wow monthly sub. I can upgrade to 1gb if i wanted to for about 5 times the price but i feel i just wouldn't get the full value from that YET.
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  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    lul, what. The Chinese internet is one of the best in the world.
    You can't even comprehend how wrong this is, and how much it made me laugh at your ridiculous claim. I'm not even going to bother to prove it wrong, because it's more funny if we leave it at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    lul, what. The Chinese internet is one of the best in the world. It's just Facebook and other western shit works slowly because of the "great firewall".

    USA internet is the worst in OECD countires, period.
    I hope you're not confusing Hong Kong with Mainland China.
    I should have phrased differently. Yes, there are a few 5G installations currently, what I meant is that the USA won't have them for at least 5 years or so. And given how LTE rollout worked, even by that time, you won't see the full potential of technology.
    Umm... Verizon already has 5G NR mmWave rolled out in a couple cities with phones already working on it (by that I mean Samsung S10 5G or 5G moto mod if you want to include that). 5G NR infrastructure by nature will be more expensive and harder to deploy but network sharing is indeed a thing for 5G NR.
    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).
    Define true 5G.

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