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  1. #261
    Streaming media has an inherent issue... LAG.

    The only feasible way to have this service will be to pay dearly. Because IP's are not going to just wave a hand at their available bandwidth disappearing. Pay Google, they pay your IP .. or pay both in some cases.

    It's cheaper and more reliable to just have a home console. It's private also, and, that means alot.

    The whole bandwagon to join streaming seems like some failed kickstarter. You have everything already .. why would you want less?

    .. do you really NEED to play console games on your phone? =D [[buy a Switch, at least the font's are designed to be readable, handheld mode, ie small screen]]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Wolf View Post
    I'm still baffled that having a 50mb connection is such a hard thing in America. In Sweden where i live 100mb is the standard and it costs abit more than a wow monthly sub. I can upgrade to 1gb if i wanted to for about 5 times the price but i feel i just wouldn't get the full value from that YET.
    I live in bumfuck nowhere, about 10 miles from the nearest decent sized city. Where I live I'm lucky to get the 3mbit connection I have, and my ISP knows they're the only game for people like me that live in "RURAL" areas. 4G is there but spotty at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    We have 5g in portland and it isnt much better, especially if theres still a lot of congestion.
    5G doesn't even exist yet.

    EDIT: I was wrong, I've been living under a rock - it has just come available in recent months.
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  4. #264
    Cloud gaming could replace console gaming pretty quick if they get a competitive coverage of games. Casual pc gaming too (those that occasionally game on their general purpose/work machines on the side/kids on their family computer), but i doubt enthusiasts would be too excited to downgrade to a console grade experience with additional input delay. Doesn't necessarily compete with mobile gaming, but supplements it nicely, brings more complex games available on mobile in contrast to the games typically available for mobile. I remember cloud gaming has been tried before with little success but in this time and age i can see it working, especially with someone with as bottomless funding available as google driving it forward.
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  5. #265
    This is going to make game preservation really difficult though : \

    A projected 1TB consumption within 3 days cuts out a lot of people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Wolf View Post
    I'm still baffled that having a 50mb connection is such a hard thing in America. In Sweden where i live 100mb is the standard and it costs abit more than a wow monthly sub. I can upgrade to 1gb if i wanted to for about 5 times the price but i feel i just wouldn't get the full value from that YET.
    The thing is, even if a lot of people have at least 50mbit or better, that is always "max" and NOT guaranteed rates. Quite often they cheap out on last-mile maintenance and oversubscribe nodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellvia View Post
    The thing is, even if a lot of people have at least 50mbit or better, that is always "max" and NOT guaranteed rates. Quite often they cheap out on last-mile maintenance and oversubscribe nodes.
    and/or they throttle it according to whatever profit agenda they have, either for lay users or towards whatever services are on their shitlist. especially now that net neutrality is down and out in whichever states didn't step in to enforce it.

    This is starting to smell like Games As A Service with less oversight and more sucking whales dry.

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    I do agree with the statement "cloud gaming is the future of gaming", however, that future is not here yet, maybe in 10-15 years, but not now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubious_doomhammer View Post
    Destiny 2? Not a good way to start their foray into gaming ;p
    Especially not when the base Destiny 2 game and first year of DLC are going F2P.

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    I hope you're not confusing Hong Kong with Mainland China.
    I'm not. Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Shanghai all have great mobile internet.

    Define true 5G.
    it's a 3GPP compliant 5G system.

    https://www.3gpp.org/dynareport/Spec...=Rel-15&tech=4
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    https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/...on-guidelines/

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    Sweden, Finland and the UK (that i know of) will have "real" 5G internet early 2020 if not earlier. It was first tested in Sweden 3-4 years ago, so it's definitely not far away.

  12. #272
    I already got a very good computer and i can let him run anytime with sick internet. So this whole thing is completly useless for me. I wonder what kind of people buy these services.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Clozer View Post
    I already got a very good computer and i can let him run anytime with sick internet. So this whole thing is completly useless for me. I wonder what kind of people buy these services.
    I can see many ppl subscribing to Stadia. Frequent travelers, people that can't afford the big one-time cost of buying a PC, people that dont want a yuge stationary computer in your home. The list can be made long, for regular gamers the input lag will be the decider.

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    Google wants to make this Cloud Gaming thing into reality not because of you or me, or even casual gamers but for the 13 year old impulse buyer. This service is aimed towards teenagers or younger who have parents that refuse to buy physical hardware for whatever reason but hope that parents are perfectly ok with buying $60 games on the Cloud. The idea that a child can reach for their parents credit card is kinda the corner stone for mobile gaming, and it seems that's the driving force behind Stadia. No adult well informed gamer will want this service.

    I don't think this will work as you'll need some hardware to make it work, like a $70 gamepad. This kinda defeats the purpose of having underage children reach for their parents credit card without them knowing about it. If they can get their hands on a controller then why not a PS4 or Switch? The service seems to depend on the Chrome web browser, which might explain the recent changes to ad-blocking on Chrome. Do you really think free game streaming is free? You're going to see ads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vkpush View Post
    I can see many ppl subscribing to Stadia. Frequent travelers, people that can't afford the big one-time cost of buying a PC, people that dont want a yuge stationary computer in your home. The list can be made long, for regular gamers the input lag will be the decider.
    I see nobody subscribing to Stadia. If you travel then get a Switch or a decent laptop. You don't need more than $600 for a gaming PC. Also modern computers don't need to be huge either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    I'm not. Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Shanghai all have great mobile internet.
    Cause current data doesn't match what you want to think. If we're going by Ookla they are behind the US. If we're going by cable.co.uk they are waaaaaay behind the world.
    So you have no idea at all about 5G NR if all you do is link that with no specifics.
    Are we talking about sub 6GHz, mmWave, NSA, SA, all of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDuck View Post
    I do agree with the statement "cloud gaming is the future of gaming", however, that future is not here yet, maybe in 10-15 years, but not now.
    This is my sentiment as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Google says it will expand to anything with a Chrome browser
    Well, there goes any chance I'm going to use it, then.

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    Cause I have no idea why I decided to post this.
    To put it this way, 5G NR being "compliant" is a dumb thing to put when you don't know wtf you're talking about. Deployment for NR is going to take a long time just due to the sheer nature of it. Deployment for FR2 is the one that everyone is excited for cause that's the bandwidth part. Verizon is already deploying "3GPP compliant" towers and nodes active for consumer use.

    To speed up adoption with NR carriers are going to go with NSA, Non Standalone, network. This relies on LTE network as it's backbone cause it's easier really. FR2 with NSA allows for the stupid amount of bandwidth you can get but it won't be as efficient as a SA, Standalone, network.

    Now, hopefully I'm not misremembering this part. NSA and SA differ by quite a few point. Currently LTE network packets are bidirectional, so download and upload have their own channel and happen simultaneously. This makes it a bit more inefficient. SA packets download and upload packets are different in that they're tied together. So for LTE a 40/20Mbps download/upload you'd always have 40/20. For NR it's best to not think of it as how much download speed you have or how much upload speed you have but just how much bandwidth you have. If you have 1Gbps bandwidth, that can be provisioned as 800/200, 500/500, 150/850, 999/1, etc. Packets made in a crude text visualization. [packet][dl]blob of request[dlend][ul]blob of request[ulend][packet]. In there will be meta information in how to provision the bandwidths for down/up and a bunch of other stuff that we will never see. This set up is more efficient but ultimately more complicated.

    SA rollout isn't even slated for this year anyways. 5G NR is a blob of a lot of stuff from FR1 and FR2 to it's underlying network. Saying "complaint with 3GPP" is just woefully pointless cause it won't be NR if it's not compliant. It also won't work with any modems if it's not using the standard, because those modems are using the standard as defined. AT&T is a dumbass with the 5GE thing, but that's not to knock on others that are deploying 5G NR equipment.

    There's also an odd difference in roll out in South Korea and the US anyways. SK is starting with FR1 and US is starting with FR2. Coverage will be better in SK but speeds will be worse and the other way around for US.

    Some reason new post, too lazy to edit it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    Cause current data doesn't match what you want to think. If we're going by Ookla they are behind the US. If we're going by cable.co.uk they are waaaaaay behind the world.
    I'm telling from the first-hand experience. Tools like Ookla are useless here because they don't have servers behind the Great Firewall. So inside China everything works blazing fast, but not when you try to connect to service outside China - the "Golden Shield" throttles connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    I see nobody subscribing to Stadia. If you travel then get a Switch or a decent laptop. You don't need more than $600 for a gaming PC. Also modern computers don't need to be huge either.
    So you really think Google just spent millions of dollars developing a platform that nobody will use? I think you're being a bit delusional here, sorry.

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