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  1. #21
    Yes. I don't do much M+ or raiding, but I loved affliction in PvP. Until BFA when they turned Affliction into Target Dummy.

    Better luck next expansion.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    My advice is to wait on the 8.2 ptr to see what changes. They promised us new(or returning) spells and maybe we get some basic class changes as well. Soulflame would make us competetive for now, as long as reaping is a thing, but thats going away with the next raid and who knows what will replace it. At this point its really hard to say what will happen. The basic class design won't change during bfa, but you never know when blizzard decides to buff some azerite traits by 200%
    Its even harder to predict what happens in pvp settings. We could see a nerf to destro which would kill warlock completely in pvp, or they attempt to make the other speccs viable again.
    For now, unrelated to affliction, if you can't have fun with what you are playing there is no point in playing. keep an eye out for ptr updates though
    Did I miss the new or returning spells? Or did Blizzard?

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by nToxik View Post
    All 3 specs are fine if you're just looking at +10 keys however, Demo is the best Warlock spec for M+. It still doesn't compare to Rogue, DH, Mage in top M+ keys though.
    Lol Affliction is even worse in just “10 keys”, because it can’t ramp. Also nobody brings Mages unless you need to kite. The flavor is Rogue, DH, WW.
    Last edited by muto; 2019-05-30 at 12:21 AM.

  4. #24
    They should just buff the shit out of Seed of Corruption. It was literally broken during WotLK, but then they just kept nerfing it.

  5. #25
    Pretty much.

    They gutted Affliction's aoe in Battle for Azeroth, nerfing Seed of Corruption severely and they also removed the on death buffs from the Artifact aswell as Soul Flame.

    As for pvp, Affliction does not deal enough spread damage to be relevant and lacks any kind of on demand damage. It also is a punching bag with one spell school in this game of melee mongoloids with their braindead instant cc and kicks of which they can miss 90% and still cc you forever.


    Look at this farce they call class design:

    https://www.wowhead.com/battle-for-a...ges#affliction
    Seed of Corruption Embeds a demon seed in the enemy target that will explode after 18 sec, dealing (172%12 sec, dealing (20% of Spell power) Shadow damage to all enemies within 10 yards and applying Corruption to them.
    The seed will detonate early if the target is hit by other detonations, or takes (Spell power * 300 50 / 100) damage from your spells.
    From 172% SP to 20%. Aoe nuked from orbit with precision.

    And as if that wasn't bad enough?

    Sow the Seeds Seed of Corruption will now embednow embeds a demon seed in 2 additional nearby enemies.into 1 additional nearby enemy.
    To the ground baby!

    If they weren't too incompetent to come up with something new to make up for the loss of an ability in this game of ever declining amount of spells and abilities they would have simply removed the ability instead of gutting the talent by 50% and the spellpower scaling by 152%.
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  6. #26
    Affliction honestly needs quite a lot of work. I'll focus on the main issues:

    1. DoTs are not scary. UA stacking to 5 is not working out well. DoTs in general feel extremely crappy and weak but UA is probably the worst offender. UA does somewhere around 13-18k over its duration. DoTs should be extremely high damage per execute time, otherwise they're not worth pressing. Right now a casted UA does less damage than all of the following instant spells: Comet Storm,

    2. Only casting DoTs isn't that fun. The feeling of power in a DoT class comes when you can apply them and then let them do their thing for a bit. DoTs are cool when you can snapshot them, or when you can amp them massively like you could in MoP with Soulburn: Haunt+darksoul or in legion with the artifact ability. Darkglare is amped by DoTs but that doesn't tie into our rot fantasy. Affliction's baseline cooldown should amp DoTs, not use them as a resource.

    3. Shadowbolt feels like crap. Reintroducing Nightfall, which felt awesome in the past, is only cool if Shadowbolt is actually a big deal. Shadowbolts graphic as well as its damage is pathetic and out of place, looking like some kind of confetti and doing confetti levels of damage.

    4. PVP wise, affliction utility is sorely lacking. It has a single school which is easily locked out due to having to cast UA's constantly. It brings fears but fear now conflicts with the rot playstyle because it breaks instantly. It brings shadowfury but again that's a cast which can be safely locked out because it'll stop every single other thing affliction can bring.



    Solutions:

    1. Drop UA stacking, have it cost 2 shards and have it do about triple the damage that it does now over 15 seconds. Increase other DoTs damage as well.

    2. Shadowbolt needs a better graphic (seriously the confetti is whack) and much more damage (~300%).

    3. Affliction should get a passive which causes DoT damage you deal to not break fear as easily (DoTs should be able to do roughly 10% of your health before breaking a fear).

    4. Affliction should get a version of Howl of Terror that doesn't immediately break on DoT damage.

    5. Affliction should get Curse of Exhaustion and/or Shadowflame (slowing cone) baseline again.

    6. Remove Darkglare and give Affliction a new CD that amps DoTs.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Raia View Post
    Affliction is underpowered for m+ compared to demo since they removed Soul Flame.
    I wish people would stop saying this stupid shit. Soul flame has nothing to do with it. Soul flame wasn't even that relevant.

    It's the fact seed of corruption got gutted and aff has no real aoe and things die too fast for aff to ramp, without Seed/Sow the seeds aff is just trash in 5 mans.

    At some point they are going to have to admit they fucked up and buff seed. Because that is literally the only thing that will fix aff without impacting raid.

    This isn't even getting into the hilariously dumb idea of "bring shadow bolt back" that was heavily endorsed by a bunch of players on this very forum that didn't actually play at a high level.

    Seriously, some guy on this forum told me shadowbolt was the "pinnacle of game design." Everyone that actually played the spec at a competitive level knew shadowbolt was awful and would make aff worse overall.
    Last edited by asil; 2019-05-31 at 08:11 PM.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by asil View Post
    I wish people would stop saying this stupid shit. Soul flame has nothing to do with it. Soul flame wasn't even that relevant.

    It's the fact seed of corruption got gutted and aff has no real aoe and things die too fast for aff to ramp, without Seed/Sow the seeds aff is just trash in 5 mans.

    At some point they are going to have to admit they fucked up and buff seed. Because that is literally the only thing that will fix aff without impacting raid.

    This isn't even getting into the hilariously dumb idea of "bring shadow bolt back" that was heavily endorsed by a bunch of players on this very forum that didn't actually play at a high level.

    Seriously, some guy on this forum told me shadowbolt was the "pinnacle of game design." Everyone that actually played the spec at a competitive level knew shadowbolt was awful and would make aff worse overall.
    Agreed so sick of non afflocks/dumb ppl saying Soul Flame was broken. No it wasnt, even at its peak their AoE was not better than DH/Rogues.

    I want sow the seeds back and i want drain soul back.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by meekus View Post
    Yo.

    The purpose of this thread is not to complain. I just want to hear you guys' thoughts on affliction this expansion.

    I've always played warlock for the affliction playstyle. Demo was great back in WoD and destruction has been quite alright from time to time as well, but affliction has always been my favourite. That is why I am starting to get a bit frustrated with how horrible and unwanted we are for competetive M+ keys and arenas at the moment.

    For M+ everyone wants rogue/DH/X, where X is usually something like a fmage, boomkin or elemental shaman. Demo can also take that spot, although I have my doubts after damage nerfs in combination with some seriously lacking utility.

    Arenas are quite unplayable as affliction currently since the one trait that was carrying got hit hard with 8.1. 2s is for the most part a definitive loss unless you're playing a few hundred rating below where you'd normally be, and I doubt the demon armor nerf helped. In 3s we are likely one of the worst specs to bring as well.

    I'm aware all three specs are great in raids, which is great. But raiding is not really something I do since they took 10 man raiding away.

    So what do you think? Is affliction a lost cause for M+ and arenas for the remainder of this expansion, or is there hope? To unsub, or not to unsub?
    Lost cause, no. Also it's only an issue in M+. Aff is fine in arena, it's just Destro is better.
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  10. #30
    See what happens to the meta with the new season affix. It is supposedly more single-target focused, so this may swing things back to affliction being more viable. Current season, no. Be thankful that Affliction is, and has been for years, god-tier raid spec

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    I think you guys are right. A big buff to seed of corruption, or at least a talent to buff it heavily, is probably the only way affliction will ever be good in m+ this expansion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    Lost cause, no. Also it's only an issue in M+. Aff is fine in arena, it's just Destro is better.
    I think we have different definitions of what "fine" is in arena. Afflicion is absolutely horrible right now in my view.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by meekus View Post
    I think we have different definitions of what "fine" is in arena. Afflicion is absolutely horrible right now in my view.
    There are many Affliction Warlocks participating in Gladiator "Elite" rating. That makes them, factually, fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    There are many Affliction Warlocks participating in Gladiator "Elite" rating. That makes them, factually, fine.
    I have yet to see a single one!

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by meekus View Post
    I've always played warlock for the affliction playstyle. Demo was great back in WoD and destruction has been quite alright from time to time as well, but affliction has always been my favourite. That is why I am starting to get a bit frustrated with how horrible and unwanted we are for competetive M+ keys and arenas at the moment.
    What is competetvie m+? Lvl 23+? Or just doing them in time?

    I'm only doing 15-17s at the moment but I really don't care that much which class comes. I'd take a good player over a bad one any day, no matter if they play a "bad" spec.

    Also, how bad is bad? Would an affli lock increase the time a dungeon takes by 1 min? 10 min? Could you play around the spec? I only know I tank stuff and the dps does their thing and we win, most of the time :P

    Also, reroll, weakus!
    Well met!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephire View Post
    What is competetvie m+? Lvl 23+? Or just doing them in time?

    I'm only doing 15-17s at the moment but I really don't care that much which class comes. I'd take a good player over a bad one any day, no matter if they play a "bad" spec.

    Also, how bad is bad? Would an affli lock increase the time a dungeon takes by 1 min? 10 min? Could you play around the spec? I only know I tank stuff and the dps does their thing and we win, most of the time :P

    Also, reroll, weakus!
    I'll show you affli dps later!

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by meekus View Post
    I have yet to see a single one!
    Then I highly doubt you're playing within the Gladiator rating.
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  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    Then I highly doubt you're playing within the Gladiator rating.

    You're lying. Here's actual data:

    https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&r...class_filter=9

    Aff is one of the worst pvp specs in the game, to the point it's nearly non-viable. There is a single aff warlock over 2400 rating. Nobody plays aff because it is just a trash arena spec and has been for 2 xpacs now.

    Furthermore, warlock is one of the least represented classes in arena as a whole:

    https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&r...r=3v3&faction=

    It's also one of if not the worst m+ spec.
    Last edited by asil; 2019-06-03 at 12:40 PM.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by asil View Post
    You're lying. Here's actual data:

    https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&r...class_filter=9

    Aff is one of the worst pvp specs in the game, to the point it's nearly non-viable.

    It's also one of if not the worst m+ specs. There is a single aff warlock over 2400.
    using arenamate as an argument? lol while filtering out all of the classes and attempting to claim that there's only 1 warlock over 2400 that's aff, got some bad news for you buddy, but people change specs between arena and other content, just because they didn't log out as aff(which is how arenamate uses the API to track participation) that doesn't mean they aren't playing it.
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  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    using arenamate as an argument? lol while filtering out all of the classes and attempting to claim that there's only 1 warlock over 2400 that's aff, got some bad news for you buddy, but people change specs between arena and other content, just because they didn't log out as aff(which is how arenamate uses the API to track participation) that doesn't mean they aren't playing it.
    Provide data countering the data I just provided that shows more aff warlocks playing at that rating.

    Because from what I can see, you just got blown the fuck out and are making excuses for your bad argument.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by asil View Post
    Provide data countering the data I just provided that shows more aff warlocks playing at that rating.

    Because from what I can see, you just got blown the fuck out and are making excuses for your bad argument.
    I mean personal experience, but whatever buddy continue to think that you know so well lol.

    Using Arenamate as an argument is hardly me being "blown the fuck out", especially since arenamate is known for their garbage over the last few years with promoting boosting. The fact is: Arenamate uses the armory API and it shows what the player logged out in, that's hardly proof that people aren't playing Affliction in arena.
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