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  1. #121
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    Two things.

    1) The site owner sounds like an asshole.

    2) NZ government is seeking to imprison people for watching a video. Which is despicable.

    All in all, NZ government and police deserve all the abuse they get in this case.

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    No need to be that rude,but honestly fuck them.

    I would not turn over that information ether. Just because one asshole wants to shoot up a load of people does not mean i would infringe on the rights of others, thats exactly what he wanted to happen as he said in his manifesto. Dont play into that assholes hands.
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  3. #123
    Come back with a warrant.

    A US warrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhero View Post
    because they don't believe someone should get arrested for possessing a video?
    Try possessing a child porn video. You'll get arrested pretty quick if anyone can prove it
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    I love this guy, fuck the authoritarian NZ government trying to censor the internet. No mercy to authoritarians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolthulhu View Post
    So? Did I not say that I agree with him insofar as his answer to the police goes? Or are you arguing that "rational wiki" is a source worthy of respect just because it happened to say some true things?
    No. What I'm saying is that you can follow the links and determine whether Rational Wiki is telling the truth at any point in time and make your own judgement instead of simply dismissing it and not looking at the links which show that the guy is a blatant racist.
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Somehow I don't think a dude living in the US is likely to be one of the scumbags who were on the ground doing this in NZ his reply was fine until the last line which he should have left out. New Zealand is heavily overreaching here.
    In this day and age of rapid transit anyone can be a viable suspect.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    But why do they need that info? Normally when the police ask you to save some IP and other info, it's because they are building a criminal case against someone and you need to preserve the evidence for court. Or, they are still looking for the criminal, and need to use that info to find him. Why would New Zealand need to track, personally, anyone who viewed/shared the PDF and video? They guys/girl who did it are arrested. Boom, they are on video, congrats, they are going to jail forever (hopefully). The ONLY reason they are tracking down who shared the video is because they are gonna go after those people for something else.

    They aren't going to launch an anti-terrorist, worldwide campaign. They're New Zealand, get real. But it does look like they are going to go after any of their citizens who shared the video. I have no clue what their laws are on that, but good luck going after any other country's citizens for sharing a document on the free internet.
    I seethe point you are making, but this is SOP within things like this. Usually they just send a mail out of this kind, with a "Take it down, please" message, because of the potential damage it might cause or such. The Officer didn't threaten him with anything else afterwards, just a "Thanks for your reply".
    They don't *need* it, but it was most likely just a "Come on, mate, don't be a cunt. People died, and you are just using this for hits to your site" kind of thing, rather than any legal jiggery pokery.
    I have worked with the Police on obtaining information for crimes when I worked on a Court Production Order Team. They literally ask for everything, so they can build a cast-iron case. Also, sometimes, even the slightest clue or link, can be enough to link to something or someone else. For example, let us just say "Mr Crazy Arse-The NZ Terrorist" decided to view the video, and in NZ, it is illegal to do so. The Police might not have been able to get him on other things due to no link, but he might have made that one slip up, that then gives them probable cause to investigate him further for that.

    The Officer isn't trying to be a cunt, he is trying to build a case, and seeing as we live in this magical age of technicalities, and groups being linked, but hidden, it is simply all he is trying to do.

    Sadly though, people seem to cross-reference "Asking for something" as "Personal attack on my rights".

  9. #129
    I'm more interested about this "arresting anyone who watched the video" line because at face value it seems utterly absurd. I saw a headline that they were arresting some kid because he hosted/shared the live stream (which unless it's a misnomer is the .. live. . stream) and manifesto .pdf; and that seems reasonable, as theres an implication if your hosting the livestream that you're in some way connected to the person with the video camera doing the murders.

    Since then I've jus seen people saying "NZ is arresting people for watching a video omg Big Brother" so if anyone has any clarification, like someone who has literally been arrested just for having seen the video, that would clear it up.

    Otherwise it just seems like really bottom-of-the-barrel 'fake news' shit posting.
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  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmatrix View Post
    In this day and age of rapid transit anyone can be a viable suspect.
    I can't tell if this is memeing or if you actually believe this stupidity. The idiot in question wasn't even posting on the 8 chan thread and from what I can tell posted no threads about the attack until the scumbags video and manifesto were up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    No. What I'm saying is that you can follow the links and determine whether Rational Wiki is telling the truth at any point in time and make your own judgement instead of simply dismissing it and not looking at the links which show that the guy is a blatant racist.
    I don't care whether it's telling the truth or not, it's still an ED clone and as such it's not an appropriate source to mention, regardless of whether it contains some truths or not. I also don't care about the guy being a blatant racist, because it's not a variable that would influence my opinion about his management of the absurd NZ police request.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I can't tell if this is memeing or if you actually believe this stupidity. The idiot in question wasn't even posting on the 8 chan thread and from what I can tell posted no threads about the attack until the scumbags video and manifesto were up.
    What does 8chan have to do with Kiwi Farms? Sure, they're both cesspools, but they're entirely separate entities. This is about posts on Kiwi Farms...
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    He was well within his rights to refuse thou he might have done so more politely instead of straight off telling him bugger off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustedsaint View Post
    He was well within his rights to refuse thou he might have done so more politely instead of straight off telling him bugger off.
    Would you share a China your client information if you knew they could go in trouble? For absoluty nothing?

    Yeahhhh.....

    Also arrest was done to the person who streamed/shared this video once it was uploaded. Not the original file, but a copy.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyxo View Post
    Oh, I'm okay with this. For a minute I thought those cute fuzzy birds were in danger.
    Kiwi is also a fruit.
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  16. #136
    Is being an asshole worse than trying to imprison people for watching a video of a horrible event thats been viewed millions of times. Perspective as always is relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amalaric View Post
    Kiwi is also a fruit.
    The birds are just the fruit with faces and legs.

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    Our government shouldn't be able to imprison people for this stuff. Keep fighting for the freedom of information Josh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polyxo View Post
    The birds are just the fruit with faces and legs.


    Spot on!
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  20. #140
    Just look at the site owner aka the guy responding to the police:
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

    What else do you want from a racist who wants muslimg genocide to happen? Sure, he is within his rights to say no, but I do not think that it means much. He was asked, not demanded (as they cannot do that). Instead of answering normally, he answers in his usual shitlord style.

    Seriously, what is there even to discuss?

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