Kiwi Farms under fire. Owner won't co-operate with NZ authorities.

[The One Percent]

Care to find me some that happened in New Zealand? Because that's some fine strawman your selling.

So it's only a tragedy of it happens in NZ? You think jihadis in western nations don't watch attacks filmed in other countries and draw inspiration from it?

Also, asking for consistency isn't a strawman. Wonder how many HDDs in NZ have the video of those girls getting decapitated in Morocco (which is far more brutal and gory).

[Somewhatconcerned]

NZ probably doesn't have the jurisdiction to do it, but they made a reasonable and polite request and asked what the proper channels would be to go about requesting such a thing. The owner's response was uncalled for.

It's called tact, plain and simple, and what seems to be missing these days. FFS this guy couldn't even formulate a decent response, it was 0-60 in like 2 seconds. Let the law and your rights speak for themselves. Those that are like "yeah, great response," I really wonder how you even interact with people on a daily basis. Not everything is some hill to die on.

[Veknazel]

Kind of a stupid response to a simple request, it is always in your best interest to turn law enforcement down in a way that doesn't mark you as a possible suspect.

A simple request, huh?
"Hi, could you give out all your users that trusted you with their information so we can harass them and threaten them with 14 years of jailtime for their crimes of exercising their rights to free speech while taking about a news event?"

[Alexeht]

Kind of a stupid response to a simple request, it is always in your best interest to turn law enforcement down in a way that doesn't mark you as a possible suspect.

Well it is probably because cops are thinking they are allowed to do what they want. Just like in the UK where you could be arrested for tweets

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7064246.html

where we all have to remember it isn't illegal to be edgy, no one would prosecute someone for doing something like that. People are really mad with police when they waste time on BS like that instead looking for criminals that sell kids and guns.

[Hablion]

1. No jurisdiction
2. No warrant
3. No court order
4. US website so NZ law is irrelevant
5. US Federal law prohibits it (i.e privacy) without a legal notice

NZ Police went way overboard , overreached, were outside their authority.

Site owner was within his rights.

Warrant, court order, or fuck off.

The officer did not demand him hand it over he asked politely since MOST would want to co-operate all this did was show what an asshole the guy was with his response and will look badly upon him when they do obtain the data since I believe the US and NZ work together like most countries (sort of like how criminals will be sent back to the US when detained) when it comes to stuff like this. Block access to sites like that on an ISP level as well.

[Magical Mudcrab]

I agree with him only insofar as his management of NZ's Orwellian police is concerned.



That wiki you linked is obviously everything but rational, despite its name. I mean, ED would is probably more rational, and most certainly better written, and that's saying a lot.

You know you could just visit the reference links on the page and see that he advocated for killing Muslim refugees, right?

[Zython]

It's gonna be hilarious when he decides to Google "extradition".

[yetgdhfgh]

It's gonna be hilarious when he decides to Google "extradition".

That is not gonna happen cause it would set such a precedent that the supreme court would have to get involved.

The guy is clearly a heartless racist prick but he does have the 1st amendment and the 4th amendment protecting him.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So a foreign government cant force him to hand over anything unless ordered to do so by the federal government and you can bet your ass it will end up in the supreme court.

That murderous cunt who murdered those worshipers didnt belong to any hostile nation or banned terrorist group so

Aid and comfort refers to help given by someone to a national enemy in such a way that the help amounts to treason. Article 3, Section 3, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution declares, that adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, shall be treason.

cant apply here.

Bottom line is the guy is a prick but he has the law on his side and the New Zealand government or its police force cant do shit!

[Bryntrollian]

Just visited kiwifarms I'll let you know when the police knock on my door

Good luck, friend.

[Impersonal]

Perhaps not the most tactful response, but well within his rights.

While I may have refrained from cussing or outright telling the Detective to fuck off, I agree with the sentiment expressed save for the negative bits about New Zealand; hell, I don't know much of anything about NZ other than the LOTR films being made there and I try not to dismiss anything I don't know about.

If anyone does think there should be some sort of repercussion/consequence for his response, other than perhaps the Detective telling him to fuck off right back, freedom probably isn't for you. I'm sure the guy will catch a ration of shit from those overcome with the feels, and I'd say that's punishment enough.

Edit: I blanked on this; as mentioned below - i'm sure the users of the site appreciate the sentiment as well.

[docterfreeze]

Whether you think the site owner was rude or not, this is exactly how you should want the guy who has access to all of your data to act.

[shadowmatrix]

A simple request, huh?
"Hi, could you give out all your users that trusted you with their information so we can harass them and threaten them with 14 years of jailtime for their crimes of exercising their rights to free speech while taking about a news event?"

Nothing on the Internet is private and anyone smart enough to use the Internet knows it. It's just data waiting to be sold as we see proven time and time again.

[Stelio Kontos]

So are we arresting anyone with one of the hundreds of bombings, murders, immolations, or decapitations perpetrated and videoed by Islamic terrorists?

Intelligence services in the West pretty often keep tabs on people who frequent Salafist websites and pages, or take part in salafist online campaigns, I'd wager.

I'd say it's equally viable to keep tabs on people who do similar things with right-wing and left-wing extremist sites as well. So yeah, at the very least people who are spreading and promoting the shooting video should probably be on watch-lists.

[The One Percent]

Intelligence services in the West pretty often keep tabs on people who frequent Salafist websites and pages, or take part in salafist online campaigns, I'd wager.

I'd say it's equally viable to keep tabs on people who do similar things with right-wing and left-wing sites as well. So yeah, at the very least people who are spreading and promoting the shooting video should probably be on watch-lists.

I agree with that.

[Xath]

Kind of a stupid response to a simple request, it is always in your best interest to turn law enforcement down in a way that doesn't mark you as a possible suspect.

Somehow I don't think a dude living in the US is likely to be one of the scumbags who were on the ground doing this in NZ his reply was fine until the last line which he should have left out. New Zealand is heavily overreaching here.

[Aehl]

sort of like how criminals will be sent back to the US when detained)

1. Extradition is by no means gauranteed.

2. The email sent asked for them to "confirm preservation of the data".....presumably so it can be handed over to them.

To use the exact words of a rancher when a police car drove up into his front area:

'Warrant in hand or get off the property"

[Dead Moose Fandango]

I can link you a site where stuff that ISIS posts seem like kiddie play!!

The Mexican cartel videos are in a league of there own!

What kinda sick fuck do you take me for? Honestly, only psychopaths are into that shit.

[Stelio Kontos]

To use the exact words of a rancher when a police car drove up into his front area:

'Warrant in hand or get off the property"

If police are in pursuit of a suspect or have probable cause, they can come onto private property. Furthermore, there are plenty of situations where a LEO might have to enter private property, not all involving the commission of a crime. He could be canvassing and asking questions, seeing if someone witnessed a crime/suspect being investigated. They could be responding to someone else's call regarding possibly suspicious activity on your property.

Taking a needlessly adversarial attitude with law enforcement doesn't help anyone. Know your rights, but don't be a combative dickhead either.

[yetgdhfgh]

What kinda sick fuck do you take me for? Honestly, only psychopaths are into that shit.

You should open your eyes on how seriously fucked up this world actually is.

This world is unbelievably cruel and violent and we in the west never get to see the real horrors cause its packaged and sanitized and then you either never hear about it or its given to us in news segments and then is casually dismissed.

Iam quite empathic but i see these videos to remind myself that life is fleeting and that you should cherish each day like its your last.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

You should open your eyes on how seriously fucked up this world actually is.

This world is unbelievably cruel and violent and we in the west never get to see the real horrors cause its packaged and sanitized and then you either never hear about it or its given to us in news segments and then is casually dismissed.

Iam quite empathic but i see these videos to remind myself that life is fleeting and that you should cherish each day like its your last.

I don't need to watch a violent, disgusting video to know how harsh the world can be. Do you also watch kiddie porn to remind yourself of what savages people can be? No. I think there's another reason you'd watch videos like that. And I'd dare say it's disgusting. Live-action guro is one fetish I think the world could do without.