You got it the other way around. In real life You have to prove that someone broke the rules. And You have rules written very clearly.
You wont go to jail for something that cant be considered as crime.
You got it the other way around. In real life You have to prove that someone broke the rules. And You have rules written very clearly.
You wont go to jail for something that cant be considered as crime.
The developer can, and they did. With that aside, if something is a game is behaving in a way that is completely different from all things similar to it, especially when said behavior is already a little fishy (because it only stacking when you consume individual potions that aren't stacked but not when they're stacked TOTALLY seems like something they'd do intentionally) and unlike any other behavior we've seen in the game, it's usually a safe bet to assume it is a bug and wait until there is official word before doing it intentionally.
The ToS doesn't say they can terminate on a whim, but nice attempt to try and obfuscate what the ToS says about exploitative behavior. This holds especially true given how Blizzard has a history of coming down hard on people who have done similar things in the past. If it's not behaving in a way that is normal for other like items/activities in the game, it's usually a safe bet to play it safe rather than going ham and doing it excessively because "differen't behavior != bug, guys". That argument always works so well in peoples favor (see: AP bug, saronite bombs, bloodstone exploits in d3, etc).
Bottom line is the same it's always been, and why I always get a kick out of people trying to defend those who find something that seems like a bug and, rather than reporting it and moving on, do it repeatedly under the guise of "well I didn't KNOW if it was a bug or not" only to get banned. If it seems like it might be a bug, don't do it. Worst-case scenario is Blizzard later states it's working as intended and you can then carry on doing it until your heart's content (oh no: you might not have as many people leveled as others if you'd waited), but the worst-case is obviously you get banned. This is how it's always worked, and if you don't want to risk getting banned then be smart about it and don't repeatedly do something that seems like it might be a bug.
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In real life if an organization has rules of use that you agree to and you repeatedly do something over and over that is a violation of those rules, then they have every legal right to kick you out and bar you from using their thing (space/item/service) unless the terms of use explicitly does something that is illegal (ie: they use a metric that they're not legally allowed to or don't consider a certain law).
Also, since it's a civil matter in the US (which Blizzard is a US company so US law is what would apply) they only need a preponderance of evidence (ie: the standard is met if the proposition is more likely to be true than not true and is satisfied if there is a greater than 50% chance it is true), which given their prior stance on bugs, the normal behavior for potions in the game, and the way a player would have to go out of their way in order for the potion to stack, would be pretty easy to meet in a court of law.
So yes, they wouldn't go to jail over this (since it's a civil matter, not a criminal matter), Blizzard would have close to a slam-dunk case against someone who abused this behavior (ie: did it repeatedly) but tried to sue them.
I'm a bit surprised this thread hasn't already taken a turn towards people coming in here and gloating that there was no rollback performed, as people on reddit are already saying "worth it" and all that. Those 2 day people don't seem to mind at all. 7s might be a bit more on the fence depending on how it affects their guilds BoD progression
The lack of a rollback is certainly puzzling, and the random ban lengths.
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There is no equal fault here, the fault is solely on those that exploited. If Blizzard did anything wrong here it was in not permabanning those accounts.
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'head in the sand' you say? Talking out of your ass doesn't bolster your position, not in the least, so stop, its unbecoming.
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Someone that absolutely gets it.
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People are scumbags for not playing the game it was intended? I'm not saying it was justified, but you're way over exaggerating it. Let's look at the Merriam-Webster definition of scumbag:
: a dirty or despicable person
Seriously? You detest people to such a regard that you think they are despicable people for leveling up there toons fast and taking advantage of a bug? Once again, I think they should've been banned but calling them scum bags is way too far. And it does have to do with logic and reasoning, because a truly logical person should also be able to have at least some kind of empathy, and you clearly lack that. You take this game way too seriously if you truly think they are scumbags.
Also this isn't about me "besting" you. I posted this thread, and every response to state my opinion. If that's how you view online forums, like you're trying to somehow flex how smart you think you are, then that is honestly really sad.
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If you're going to try and bring dictionaries into this you should know empathy is an emotion, literally in an entire different spectrum from logic.
And yes, I don't care for anyone in any aspect of life who feels like they need to cheat to get ahead. It isn't limited to the game, it's more about having a moral compass.
But I really don't care either way. Regardless, people are going to get banned, the same people are going to overstate how 'Blizzard looks bad' yatta yatta, and everyone's going to forget about this in a month's time like it's another one of Trump's scandals.
You are completely over simplifying a complicated philosophical and psychological question. For as smart as you think you are, I'd suggest you look more into how empathy impacts logic. It's pretty interesting. I would say not drawing a line between what happens in a virtual world, and the actual world, and comparing the two equally is beyond insane. I suppose the closest real life equivalent to exploiting would be either fraud or theft. These are crimes that effect actual people and can easily ruin lives. Those people are scumbags. You're comparing those people who chose to get an experience boost in a virtual online world about killing dragons. Once again, they deserve there bans, but does people having a few more toons ACTUALLY impact you as a player? It seems pretty harmless to me, and once again you're trying to argue that they are scumbags.
I got 7 days and I'd do it again. My time is far too valuable and the cost of a boost is next to nothing. If I would've had the option to boost to 120 I would've already done it, instead I used the XP potion exploit.
"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
I would like to point that I agree 100%. Blizzard can ban for whatever they want. I agree with the bans, in fact I disagree with the decision to not roll back the characters. I have a problem with the way Blizzard chose to let the situation grow like wildfire instead of actually doing something about it.
Nice strawman. You are literally making up your own set definition of a word and then using that to attack the my usage of the word in a twisted comparison. Did you ever think that maybe people have their own opinions on where words fit? We can even go back to your dictionary definition. Is exploiting dirty and despicable? I sure think so! There, it's that easy.
Honestly, quips like this do nothing but shout you're upset. Don't get so hung up over the usage of a single word.
I didn't make up the word? I used a respected dictionary's definition of the word, and then insisted multiple times if that's what you meant and you said over and over again that is actually how you feel. I don't understand your point. If you can't distinguish breaking Blizzard's rules on a virtual world, from breaking a government's laws in real life and equating those, then at this point I can't really help you.
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Folks would continue to use it as an excuse to shit all over Blizzard.
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Be the hero these poor banned folks need... Sue Blizzard.
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Not at all... you seem to forget its Blizzard's sandbox, they can throw anyone out they chose for any reason they chose, or for no reason at all. And there isn't a damn thing you or anyone else can do about it.
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