What to do with the Horde and its players after BFA?

[OverFanNisseFrasse]

Teldrassil happened just this year mate.
Point is the Player and Sylvanas hand in hand burned it down.
The Horde continues to support Sylvanas and everything she does.

I as a player didn't have a hand in that actully. During the time when the questchain was released I was unsubbed, so I never did that questchain which lead up to the Burning of the Teldrassil, even if I hade the possibility to do the quest chain, I wouldn't do it, since I don't want to support Sylvanas in the burning of the Teldrassil.

I am just sad and tired that the Horde/Sylvanas keeps doing all the villainous stuff over and over and over, and also that everyone just tags along and don't do anything about it. Back in WC3 and in vanilla it was a bit more grayish between all races, no one wasn't truely right or wrong, and the Horde motivation was more of honour and survival(Yes, I am one of those "mUh hOnOuR" people). And the Alliance even hade a few questionable actions around them! But now it's just dumb storytelling and I feel extremly alienated from my faction.

[Toho]

When did the Alliance burn a whole population center down?

[Dartz1979]

Why does everyone hate on sylvanas so much she's a #$%^ undead banshee they are neutral-unlawful yes but they are still not full evil.. besides she's the sexiest of the three sisters... thats my take on her.. always my waifu warchief.

[mickybrighteyes]

When did the Alliance burn a whole population center down?

Well there was the time Proudmore decided to take his fleet and wipe the darkspear out. Or the time SI:7 decided the entire population of bilgewater survivors weren't worth allowing to live because they might have seen them capturing thrall.

Oh you mean specifically BURN a city to the ground rather than attacking with intent to wipe the target off the face of Azeroth killing everyone?

edit:

Want to include the 'almost but not quite' options like the time Jaina went ham on orgrimmar with the focusing iris. Starting fights with Thunderbluff because they can't quite do anything abuot orgrimmar and scattering townsfolk into the wilds. Slaughtering civlians as part of the warcampaign because Gallywix was along the way....

I mean you want to act like one faction is CLEARLY the side an order of paladins upholding moral oaths of goodness would ever want to back, and yeah Teldrassil is a real motivating reason... but don't act like Stormwind's hands are clean.


Originally I was just wondering why, as the leader of the Silverhand, My paladin wound up fighting against them for no otherwise explained reason. But it seems there won't be one provided by the story for the time being.

[Zandalariprelate]

Horde players should get more QoL improvements in storytelling and also an unique mount for playing BFA. To alliance player dunno, give then some flashy pony and call a day.

[Toho]

Well there was the time Proudmore decided to take his fleet and wipe the darkspear out. Or the time SI:7 decided the entire population of bilgewater survivors weren't worth allowing to live because they might have seen them capturing thrall.

Oh you mean specifically BURN a city to the ground rather than attacking with intent to wipe the target off the face of Azeroth killing everyone?

edit:

Want to include the 'almost but not quite' options like the time Jaina went ham on orgrimmar with the focusing iris. Starting fights with Thunderbluff because they can't quite do anything abuot orgrimmar and scattering townsfolk into the wilds. Slaughtering civlians as part of the warcampaign because Gallywix was along the way....

I mean you want to act like one faction is CLEARLY the side an order of paladins upholding moral oaths of goodness would ever want to back, and yeah Teldrassil is a real motivating reason... but don't act like Stormwind's hands are clean.


Originally I was just wondering why, as the leader of the Silverhand, My paladin wound up fighting against them for no otherwise explained reason. But it seems there won't be one provided by the story for the time being.

I am surprised you did not bring up more memes like Taurajo.
There is no story yet and there may not be.

Honestly the idea that Knights of Silverhand would welcome Blood Elves, Zanadalri Prelate or Tauren Sunwalkers into their ranks is just idiotic.
But we needed the Horde player sent somewhere.

[Garfurion]

Teldrassil doesn't make the entirety of the Horde evil, either. I don't agree with it, and many in the Horde don't agree with it, but the Horde isn't a monolith that can be judged on the actions of a handful of leaders anymore than the Alliance would become 100% evil as a group if the roles were reversed.

The whole idea behind the Horde is that it is a monolith. After all, every member of the Horde swore the Blood Oath of the Horde:

"I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command."

By taking this oath every Horde member in a way (blindly) accepts their Warchief's decisions and the results. I wonder how Forsaken can reconcile this with free will but then maybe Forsaken don't really have free will

So the Horde may not be evil out of principle but it's core principles make it almost inevitable that it will do evil deeds.

After all "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

[mickybrighteyes]

Honestly the idea that Knights of Silverhand would welcome Blood Elves, Zanadalri Prelate or Tauren Sunwalkers into their ranks is just idiotic.
But we needed the Horde player sent somewhere.

Yet they DID (blood knights and sunwalkers) and were likely LEAD by those until bfa.

The fact that there's no story elaborating on this shift is insulting.

[Tabrotar]

Except the Alliance did not reciprocate. The Alliance started the hostilities, as is its custom. The Alliance first came in conflict with Zul in Cata. Where they listened to Vol'jin's warning and attacked the Zandalari (and, mostly, their new allies) before any of them even sneezed in Alliance's general direction.

You mean where Vol´jin sended a troll to say "Please Alliance help us getting rid of those bad trolls over there"?

[Aucald]

The whole idea behind the Horde is that it is a monolith. After all, every member of the Horde swore the Blood Oath of the Horde:

"I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command."

By taking this oath every Horde member in a way (blindly) accepts their Warchief's decisions and the results. I wonder how Forsaken can reconcile this with free will but then maybe Forsaken don't really have free will

So the Horde may not be evil out of principle but it's core principles make it almost inevitable that it will do evil deeds.

After all "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Being beholden to the Warchief doesn't render the Horde a monolith - that oath can be interpreted any number of ways, to a varying degrees of extent, and can also be completely suspended in cases where a given Warchief renders themselves illegitimate (e.g. the majority of the Horde citizens who turned against Warchief Garrosh). The Blood Oath has been proven not to be an inviolable doctrine, and while it does serve to cement an exceedingly strong loyalty to the office of Warchief it can indeed be set aside and it does have limits.

I am also a proponent of the maxim that it is not power that corrupts. Power is a concept and idea that can't, in and of itself, do anything - power doesn't corrupt, it is just magnetic to the corruptible. Those who seek power are often the very individuals that are ill-suited to it and who will subsequently misuse it.

[Mehrunes]

You mean where Vol´jin sended a troll to say "Please Alliance help us getting rid of those bad trolls over there"?

Is this supposed to change anything in what I said, or...?

[Grazrug]

Sometimes I believe, Alliance players want Horde palyers actually locked up in Real Life prisons for the horrendous crime of not being on the side of the Alliance or something like that. Talking about how some people overtune their feelings for a ficitonal story.