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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    How the fuck did this turn into another Sylvanas thread.
    Nathasil started it with post 14.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathasil View Post
    Ironically, that is still a much shorter list than Sylvanas' failings

  2. #62
    All threads are Sylvanas threads.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

    Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    All threads are Sylvanas threads.
    Unfortunately.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    All threads are Sylvanas threads.
    I wonder what will Alliance write about once she finaly dies.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    I wonder what will Alliance write about once she finaly dies.
    Whoever's next in getting to slap us around with no consequences.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Whoever's next in getting to slap us around with no consequences.
    Cant wait for the flood of Anduin threads.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Nathasil started it with post 14.
    Look at dem Sylvanas fanbois derailing threads into Sylvanas. Oh, wait, that's an Alliance poster... My mind is officially boggled right now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    I wonder what will Alliance write about once she finaly dies.
    The Sylvanas chip on their shoulder is too large at this point. It's moments away from gaining consciousness as it is. Sylvanas could die tomorrow and they'd continue bitching about her in 3019.
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    There are few good ones.
    Running out of arrows in well of eternity. (Moda mun seiv me !)
    Destroying the bridge while still standing on it.
    Being defeated by her mortal enemy - knee deep water.
    Needing not one but two strong sexy men to save her from distress.
    Being able to call for malfurion when he is needed.
    Performing ritual that made her and few other night elves look like shitty thumbnail for creepypasta.
    Displaying mindblowing diplomatic abilities and personal charm in suramar.
    I must say the bridge one was a hella of feat, few would be so genius to destroy while they are on it.

    But can we add how she was streamrolled by one orc clan and need to ask aid for the alliance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    The Sylvanas chip on their shoulder is too large at this point. It's moments away from gaining consciousness as it is. Sylvanas could die tomorrow and they'd continue bitching about her in 3019.
    And this is factual true

    people bitch about first/second war and Garrosh till today

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    people bitch about first/second war and Garrosh till today
    Yes, it's almost like there was never any reparations or punishment for warmongering.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Yes, it's almost like there was never any reparations or punishment for warmongering.
    The Garrosh bit is true, but after the second war the orcs ended up in camps for half a generation and the reason there weren't any serious consequences after the garrosh debacle was because of two faction dynamic, it is also why the horde won't suffer any consequences for this war once it is done.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The Garrosh bit is true, but after the second war the orcs ended up in camps for half a generation
    Believe me, with the endless whining the Horde does, both characters in game and players without, I'm not likely to forget. I like to call it Terenas Mistake #1.

    the reason there weren't any serious consequences after the garrosh debacle was because of two faction dynamic, it is also why the horde won't suffer any consequences for this war once it is done.
    Yep, which is exactly why the faction war blows as a main narrative.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by tripleh View Post
    After gaining the power, she should have been able to retake darkshore from horde control. But that didn't happen. She has the power of Elune now as her avatar. Yet we only see her doing anything during the darkshore questline. Nothing happens with her afterwards. You would imagine having all that power she could retake it along with the remaining nightelves. But hopefully with the next round of layoffs danuser will be on the list. Then maybe things won't get heald back.
    Blame the gameplay. There's a warfront there, it was simply impossible for them to tell that story right then and there.
    Besides, general consensus among basicaly everyone is that the night elves are winning by a long margin. Every interaction, quest and cinematic points to that, and the Alliance is supposedly winning in all fronts now.

    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    it's still just a val'kyr.

    we've slain hordes of them as fucking leveling mobs.
    Same goes for undead, including dark rangers. Killed a bunch of those right before the fight, in fact.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Believe me, with the endless whining the Horde does, both characters in game and players without, I'm not likely to forget. I like to call it Terenas Mistake #1.
    It could have worked if his security wasn't so bad, the fun thing is if he had kept the camps working the Alliance wouldn't have splintered, once it became clear the humans couldn't keep the camps in order the high elves were like wow we gave you all this money to keep that shit in order.

    Anther mistake was not committing cultural genocide, he should have taken the orc kids out of the camps and raised them as equals among humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Yep, which is exactly why the faction war blows as a main narrative.
    Oh it was possible, if both factions were actually involved and had reasonable causes, instead of this shitshow. But nope no nuance whatsoever and lets throw in more human characters, because the story narrative clearly needs more of them.
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  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    First of all, thanks to later retcons, Forsaken are subject to wear and tear and resurrecting them again and again would do nothing to resolve that. And while they can restore missing limps or jaws just fine, replacing broken skulls or cut spines seems much harder to do. Secondly, the Val'kyr need bodies to resurrect people as they aren't just dragging ghosts from the afterlife. And if Forsaken are burned to death, get lost at sea or can't be retrieved for any other reason, their numbers would still dwindle.

    In the quote from BtS you gave here Sylvanas explicitly talks about making the Forsaken not dying ever again. And as already said in the previous paragraph, Forsaken dying would eventually lower the number of the Forsaken regardless of whether the Val'kyr can resurrect them or not. Also, if the Val'kyr can make Forsaken flat out immortal and not die again, why wouldn't they be able to resurrect them?
    We are talking about resurrection, though, not just reanimation. Resurrection tends to heal your body of any external damage, otherwise, Sylvanas would have came back in little pieces at ICC, or with a big hole on her forehead after being shot. Moreover, "never dying again" can means a lot of thing - traditional immortality isn't necessary the only thing. For example, carrying out the ritual (the one Nathanos went through) to replace / empower / whatever it was / the Forsaken's bodies in mass, or simply bind each Val'kyr to a Forsaken (as Sylvanas put it, "The power of the Val'kyr will preserve my body for ages to come"), and / or bringing them back from dead would effectively make them "never dying again". That can't be done with a limited amount of Val'kyr, thus, the needs to get an eternal supply of Val'kyr.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    This however is just flat out wrong. Cities in Dust paints the clear picture that the Val'kyr bound to Sylvanas have to resurrect her in case of her death.

    High Warlord Cromush says: Fix her... FIX HER!
    Agatha says: We are bound to her, sisters...
    Arthura says: It will destroy us, sister...
    Daschla says: It is our sacred duty. The pact was sealed, the bargain made...
    Arthura says: Then let it be done.
    Not necessary, I think. If they were bound to her in the sense that they are forced to resurrect her with no other choices, Arthura's hesitant wouldn't make much sense. If they have to resurrect her regardless, what's the point of bringing up the consequence of bringing Sylvanas back? It's more like they choose to honor their pact, as the alternative (leaving Sylvanas dead) would have them being bound to Lich King again since they aren't bound to dead!Sylvanas any longer, which they obviously don't want.
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    Donnons le sang de guillotine
    Pour guerir la secheresse de la guillotine
    Je veux le sang, sang, sang, et sang.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Leodok View Post
    Blame the gameplay. There's a warfront there, it was simply impossible for them to tell that story right then and there.
    Besides, general consensus among basicaly everyone is that the night elves are winning by a long margin. Every interaction, quest and cinematic points to that, and the Alliance is supposedly winning in all fronts now.



    Same goes for undead, including dark rangers. Killed a bunch of those right before the fight, in fact.
    There claiming the alliance is winning on all fronts. Only because there setting it up for Sylvannas to turn the tables in 8.3 like the leak had said. From alliance standpoint there really isn't a sense of winning. When you have bad writing claiming that Zandalar raid was payback for Teldrassil. Yet the nightelves had no part of it. Instead Tyrande wanted Anduins help with darkshore. But the idiotic writers had him focus on raiding zandalar. The current story isn't immersive as it should be. We can only hope that activision lays off some of the narrative team only to replace them with writers that can do just that. But it won't work unless they get rid of Steve Danuser to.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by tripleh View Post
    There claiming the alliance is winning on all fronts. Only because there setting it up for Sylvannas to turn the tables in 8.3 like the leak had said. From alliance standpoint there really isn't a sense of winning.
    That's normal "winning" for Alliance. We're told, not shown.

    When you have bad writing claiming that Zandalar raid was payback for Teldrassil. Yet the nightelves had no part of it. Instead Tyrande wanted Anduins help with darkshore. But the idiotic writers had him focus on raiding zandalar.
    "We needed a reason for the arrogant primitives to join the Horde, so we did the usual Alliance bumbling. Lol they're such idiots!" I honestly think they don't realize how the writing reflects on them.

    The current story isn't immersive as it should be. We can only hope that activision lays off some of the narrative team only to replace them with writers that can do just that. But it won't work unless they get rid of Steve Danuser to.
    Danuser and Golden both.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    The Horde is basically the guy that gets mad that the guy that they just beat the crap out of had the audacity to bleed on them.
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  17. #77
    Yea, because the devs hate doing the work to actually show the alliance winning. Lazy design/dev team combined with loads of trash/bad writing that is BFA.

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    Well for reasons people here tend to hate her so ill try and name a few that are decent enough.

    Holding back an scourge army to give Kael and his BE's time to escape. During which time of holding the chokepoint her starfall destroyed the bridge (People harp on this.)

    She purified Eranikus with a sacred arrow. Being about the only thing she did in classic.

    Met with Jaina and Thrall to help form the defense of Nordrasil putting aside all the "muh xenophobia."

    Ambushed and decimated an orc army in mists forcing their remainder into the temple. (Then Varian proves orcs can be lured from defense by screaming "come get me nany nany boo boo.")

    In Caverns of time she shoots down horde of demons allowing our party to make way until she runs "Out of arrows."

    And pushing back through Ashenvale when Garrosh launched an all out assault with just her Shandris with her retinue plus the Silverwing and defeated the Horde. (que the release of the Magnataur and to defeat them was willing to burn down the entirety of Ashenvale to deny it to the Horde. Until Varian and the Worgen show up and eat the Magnataur.)

    And walking off Garrosh's trump card poison that was able to one shot a group of the Blue Flights most powerful ancient dragons.

    There are more spots like creating hundred of duplicates and taking down Xavrius and other sorts of weird stuff that people would LOVE if it was Sylvanas but for some reason gets handwaved from Tyrande. But the major problem is her actions open the story for another character or she is supporting another like Illidan so she never really has the light on herself. Which is why Darkshore -CAN- be promising and was such a let down to many fans. Shes a character that you can tell they loved to make and then kind of don't know how to deal with in the larger scheme of things.

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    Basically she is an avatar of Elune and can pull whatever shit writers want, since there are no revealed limits for Elune powers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seylene View Post
    There are more spots like creating hundred of duplicates and taking down Xavrius and other sorts of weird stuff that people would LOVE if it was Sylvanas but for some reason gets handwaved from Tyrande. But the major problem is her actions open the story for another character or she is supporting another like Illidan so she never really has the light on herself. Which is why Darkshore -CAN- be promising and was such a let down to many fans. Shes a character that you can tell they loved to make and then kind of don't know how to deal with in the larger scheme of things.
    Sylvanas is basically a banshee, she doesn't have a revealed source of power to pull bullshit from. Tyrande has, that's why when Tyrande pulls ridiculous shit it can be explained by "she prayed to Elune and she blessed her with shower of natural 20s", while Sylvanas doesn't have that. In any way it's ridiculous and i hate that Elune has no established power limit and that Tyrande can draw powers from her
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    Quote Originally Posted by HORDE201 View Post
    Everyone on the forums are saying that Tyrande is "that" powerful. I can't even remember her doing any remarkable abilities that can kill her enemies until she got that night warrior bullshit.

    If she is crazy OP "powerful", why can't she just kill everyone in Darkshore with her so called "One-shot army" spell? Srsly what is her feats?


    there ya go

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