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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.

    Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.
    Yes and it still doesnt say how much were killed, the evacuations lasted for days, where the NE had a place to run to, Stormwind, the Blood elves were on their own, there was nobody to take them in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The ships were not the only way, Silvermoon was not the only settlement they could still run into the forests could hide the scourge out hard to do that if the entire nation would have been set on fire.
    But they were all retrating to Silvermoon since it was the safest place. The Ghostlands are even now packed with undead, not a place where common civilans would survive in.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    Where does it says its her duty to protect the temple to the death? A temple that didnt even exist until post WC3.
    She did so in legion leaving Malfurion in the clutches of Xavius because her temple is in danger, now her temple and her people would be in danger but suddenly she chooses malfurion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    Yes and it still doesnt say how much were killed, the evacuations lasted for days, where the NE had a place to run to, Stormwind, the Blood elves were on their own, there was nobody to take them in.

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    But they were all retrating to Silvermoon since it was the safest place. The Ghostlands are even now packed with undead, not a place where common civilans would survive in.
    To this day there are tens of thousands of blood elves left, considering every-time specific numbers are mentioned or hinted at.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    She did so in legion leaving Malfurion in the clutches of Xavius because her temple is in danger, now her temple and her people would be in danger but suddenly she chooses malfurion.
    She didnt, she spend most of the time with the civilians, hell you just made post after post saying that Tyrande wasnt with Malfurion on the front.

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    To this day there are tens of thousands of blood elves left, considering every-time specific numbers are mentioned or hinted at.
    And we have no idea how many NE are left, but unlike the BE they actually had a rallying point to evacuate.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    She didnt, she spend most of the time with the civilians, hell you jsut made post after post saying that Tyrande wasnt with Malfurion on the front.
    She did so in legion leaving Malfurion in the clutches of Xavius Because a temple of elune was in danger

    And now in BFA she drops all her responsibilities to take Malfurion to stormwind. The temple and her people

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    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    And we have no idea how many NE are left, but unlike the BE they actually had a rallying point to evacuate.
    Probably tens of thousands, the vast majority of their people did go up in flames.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    She did so in legion leaving Malfurion in the clutches of Xavius Because a temple of elune was in danger

    And now in BFA she drops all her responsibilities to take Malfurion to stormwind. The temple and her people
    She spend most of her time with the people, not with Malfurion.


    Probably tens of thousands, the vast majority of their people did go up in flames.
    Headcanon. Unless Blizz says they lost 90 percent of their entire population, its headcanon.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Probably tens of thousands, the vast majority of their people did go up in flames.
    The composition of night elf and blood elf survivors differ though. In the night elf case Sylvanas essentially axed what we're told is almost the entirety of their civilians. However, the actual army, especially the veterans, were away at the time and are mentioned to be larger in number than the army that the Horde struggled with in the War of Thorns.

    With the blood elves it's different, since the Scourge was pretty indiscriminate and there is an actual civilian society plus military left behind. If I had to compare them, the night elves are capable of prosecuting war better than the post-Scourge blood elves, but their society is fucked in the mid to long term.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    She spend most of her time with the people, not with Malfurion.
    Yes and? She spends time with the refugees, who are safe and sound, which is a gigantic waste of time the moment she does spend time with malfurion she arrives too late and immediately drops everything to get him back to stormwind.



    Headcanon.
    Sure thing headcanon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsqC5wnpD8E

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The composition of night elf and blood elf survivors differ though. In the night elf case Sylvanas essentially axed what we're told is almost the entirety of their civilians. However, the actual army, especially the veterans, were away at the time and are mentioned to be larger in number than the army that the Horde struggled with in the War of Thorns.
    But she didnt. The scale is never mentioned, it could be 50 percent, it could be more, who knows, but if the entire Stormwind was filled and the areas to Goldshire, it doesnt sound like a tiny civilian population.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    But she didnt. The scale is never mentioned, it could be 50 percent, it could be more, who knows, but if the entire Stormwind was filled and the areas to Goldshire, it doesnt sound like a tiny civilian population.
    No, it doesn't. Tyrande says that almost the entirety are dead and "too few" are left through the rest of Azeroth. This is of course all arbitrary since population numbers will never inhibit anyone if the writers want them to participate, but that's what we're told in Elegy.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The composition of night elf and blood elf survivors differ though. In the night elf case Sylvanas essentially axed what we're told is almost the entirety of their civilians. However, the actual army, especially the veterans, were away at the time and are mentioned to be larger in number than the army that the Horde struggled with in the War of Thorns.
    The fleet returned with those troops when the horde reached darkshore, and civilians were exclusively evacuated for days. The people cramming the streets of stormwind are all civis.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Yes and? She spends time with the refugees, who are safe and sound, which is a gigantic waste of time the moment she does spend time with malfurion she arrives too late and immediately drops everything to get him back to stormwind.
    Wait I'm confused was her priority Malfurion or the people because you keep saying two things at once



    I wasn't referring to that but saying the NE lost 90% like the BE did, which is headcanon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The fleet returned with those troops when the horde reached darkshore, and civilians were exclusively evacuated for days. The people cramming the streets of stormwind are all civis.
    They returned with a part of the army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    No, it doesn't. Tyrande says that almost the entirety are dead and "too few" are left through the rest of Azeroth. This is of course all arbitrary since population numbers will never inhibit anyone if the writers want them to participate, but that's what we're told in Elegy.
    No she doesnt.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    I wasnt refering to that, but saying the NE lost 90% like the BE did, which is headcanon.
    This is what we are told in terms of survivors, which paints a picture of utter decimation

    The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.

    Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/elegy#tab=5

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    This is what we are told in terms of survivors, which paints a picture of utter decimation

    The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.

    Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/elegy#tab=5
    Far to few elsewhere in Azeroth yes, still doesnt say that 90% percent died in Darnassus.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    Wait I'm confused was her priority Malfurion or the people because you keep saying two things at once
    In Legion her priority was her duty, in BFA it is Malfurion.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The fleet returned with those troops when the horde reached darkshore, and civilians were exclusively evacuated for days. The people cramming the streets of stormwind are all civis.
    @ausoin

    The fleet as a whole hadn't returned. That's even a plot point in the book, since the whole point is to achieve victory before the Alliance forces are able to return.

    The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.
    Whatever the night elf quantity crowding Stormwind, it's a fraction of what their race was prior to the tree getting torched. The writing here is clear "How many remained elsewhere (from the tree)?" -> "Now they were all who remained of her people" This would not make sense as a sentence if it referred to two separate groups. Those far too few are also all who remained.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    In Legion her priority was her duty, in BFA it is Malfurion.
    No, it wasn't, since most of the time she spent with the refugees, cmon you were just going on how she was too late to help Malfurion because she was busy helping the refugees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post

    Whatever the night elf quantity crowding Stormwind, it's a fraction of what their race was prior to the tree getting torched.
    Show me where it said "almost the entire population died" in Elegy.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post

    Show me where it said "almost the entire population died" in Elegy.
    "Far too few"
    "All who remained"
    "Countless"
    The implication is that the majority died. I didn't say 90% or any arbitrary percentage, but the implication of the text is clear.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The fleet as a whole hadn't returned. That's even a plot point in the book, since the whole point is to achieve victory before the Alliance forces are able to return.
    They were away but got word and got involved later on, some of their ships are even captured throughout the whole ordeal.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    "Far too few"
    "All who remained"
    "Countless"
    The implication is that the majority died. I didn't say 90% or any arbitrary percentage, but the implication of the text is clear.
    Far too few ELSEWHERE, they were all that remained, duh, if one guy died in Darnassus and the rest was evacuated the population in Stormwind would still be all that remained.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    No, it wasn't, since most of the time she spent with the refugees, cmon you were just going on how she was too late to help Malfurion because she was busy helping the refugees.
    Again staying with the refugees was a waste of time, this is not something that plays in her favor in any way shape or form, she was wasted sitting in stormwind, she was stupid for staying and others were stupid for insisting she stays there. Because she really didn't make a difference there

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