Show me what Tyrande's feats really are

[Super Dickmann]

Probably tens of thousands, the vast majority of their people did go up in flames.

The composition of night elf and blood elf survivors differ though. In the night elf case Sylvanas essentially axed what we're told is almost the entirety of their civilians. However, the actual army, especially the veterans, were away at the time and are mentioned to be larger in number than the army that the Horde struggled with in the War of Thorns.

With the blood elves it's different, since the Scourge was pretty indiscriminate and there is an actual civilian society plus military left behind. If I had to compare them, the night elves are capable of prosecuting war better than the post-Scourge blood elves, but their society is fucked in the mid to long term.

[Combatbutler]

She spend most of her time with the people, not with Malfurion.

Yes and? She spends time with the refugees, who are safe and sound, which is a gigantic waste of time the moment she does spend time with malfurion she arrives too late and immediately drops everything to get him back to stormwind.

Headcanon.

Sure thing headcanon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsqC5wnpD8E

[ausoin]

The composition of night elf and blood elf survivors differ though. In the night elf case Sylvanas essentially axed what we're told is almost the entirety of their civilians. However, the actual army, especially the veterans, were away at the time and are mentioned to be larger in number than the army that the Horde struggled with in the War of Thorns.

But she didnt. The scale is never mentioned, it could be 50 percent, it could be more, who knows, but if the entire Stormwind was filled and the areas to Goldshire, it doesnt sound like a tiny civilian population.

[Super Dickmann]

But she didnt. The scale is never mentioned, it could be 50 percent, it could be more, who knows, but if the entire Stormwind was filled and the areas to Goldshire, it doesnt sound like a tiny civilian population.

No, it doesn't. Tyrande says that almost the entirety are dead and "too few" are left through the rest of Azeroth. This is of course all arbitrary since population numbers will never inhibit anyone if the writers want them to participate, but that's what we're told in Elegy.

[Combatbutler]

The composition of night elf and blood elf survivors differ though. In the night elf case Sylvanas essentially axed what we're told is almost the entirety of their civilians. However, the actual army, especially the veterans, were away at the time and are mentioned to be larger in number than the army that the Horde struggled with in the War of Thorns.

The fleet returned with those troops when the horde reached darkshore, and civilians were exclusively evacuated for days. The people cramming the streets of stormwind are all civis.

[ausoin]

Yes and? She spends time with the refugees, who are safe and sound, which is a gigantic waste of time the moment she does spend time with malfurion she arrives too late and immediately drops everything to get him back to stormwind.

Wait I'm confused was her priority Malfurion or the people because you keep saying two things at once

Sure thing headcanon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsqC5wnpD8E

I wasn't referring to that but saying the NE lost 90% like the BE did, which is headcanon.

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The fleet returned with those troops when the horde reached darkshore, and civilians were exclusively evacuated for days. The people cramming the streets of stormwind are all civis.

They returned with a part of the army.

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No, it doesn't. Tyrande says that almost the entirety are dead and "too few" are left through the rest of Azeroth. This is of course all arbitrary since population numbers will never inhibit anyone if the writers want them to participate, but that's what we're told in Elegy.

No she doesnt.

[Combatbutler]

I wasnt refering to that, but saying the NE lost 90% like the BE did, which is headcanon.

This is what we are told in terms of survivors, which paints a picture of utter decimation

The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.

Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/elegy#tab=5

[ausoin]

This is what we are told in terms of survivors, which paints a picture of utter decimation

The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.

Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/elegy#tab=5

Far to few elsewhere in Azeroth yes, still doesnt say that 90% percent died in Darnassus.

[Combatbutler]

Wait I'm confused was her priority Malfurion or the people because you keep saying two things at once

In Legion her priority was her duty, in BFA it is Malfurion.

[Super Dickmann]

The fleet returned with those troops when the horde reached darkshore, and civilians were exclusively evacuated for days. The people cramming the streets of stormwind are all civis.

@ausoin

The fleet as a whole hadn't returned. That's even a plot point in the book, since the whole point is to achieve victory before the Alliance forces are able to return.

The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.

Whatever the night elf quantity crowding Stormwind, it's a fraction of what their race was prior to the tree getting torched. The writing here is clear "How many remained elsewhere (from the tree)?" -> "Now they were all who remained of her people" This would not make sense as a sentence if it referred to two separate groups. Those far too few are also all who remained.

[ausoin]

In Legion her priority was her duty, in BFA it is Malfurion.

No, it wasn't, since most of the time she spent with the refugees, cmon you were just going on how she was too late to help Malfurion because she was busy helping the refugees.

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Whatever the night elf quantity crowding Stormwind, it's a fraction of what their race was prior to the tree getting torched.

Show me where it said "almost the entire population died" in Elegy.

[Super Dickmann]

Show me where it said "almost the entire population died" in Elegy.

"Far too few"
"All who remained"
"Countless"
The implication is that the majority died. I didn't say 90% or any arbitrary percentage, but the implication of the text is clear.

[Combatbutler]

The fleet as a whole hadn't returned. That's even a plot point in the book, since the whole point is to achieve victory before the Alliance forces are able to return.

They were away but got word and got involved later on, some of their ships are even captured throughout the whole ordeal.

[ausoin]

"Far too few"
"All who remained"
"Countless"
The implication is that the majority died. I didn't say 90% or any arbitrary percentage, but the implication of the text is clear.

Far too few ELSEWHERE, they were all that remained, duh, if one guy died in Darnassus and the rest was evacuated the population in Stormwind would still be all that remained.

[Combatbutler]

No, it wasn't, since most of the time she spent with the refugees, cmon you were just going on how she was too late to help Malfurion because she was busy helping the refugees.

Again staying with the refugees was a waste of time, this is not something that plays in her favor in any way shape or form, she was wasted sitting in stormwind, she was stupid for staying and others were stupid for insisting she stays there. Because she really didn't make a difference there

[ausoin]

They were away but got word and got involved later on, some of their ships are even captured throughout the whole ordeal.

Not all of them returned, we talked about this before and the logic of having the BULK of the nations military doing nothing while city guards were forced to hold the line.

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Again staying with the refugees was a waste of time, this is not something that plays in her favor in any way shape or form, she was wasted sitting in stormwind, she was stupid for staying and others were stupid for insisting she stays there. Because she really didn't make a difference there

So Malfurion wasnt her first priority, got it.

[Combatbutler]

Far too few ELSEWHERE, they were all that remained, duh, if one guy died in Darnassus and the rest was evacuated the population in Stormwind would still be all that remained.

Teldrassil was the center of their civilization almost the entire race gathered in that one place.

[ausoin]

Teldrassil was the center of their civilization almost the entire race gathered in that one place.

Yes and they were evacuating for days. You just twisted the meaning "too few elsewhere" to "too few survivors from Darnassus".

[Super Dickmann]

Far too few ELSEWHERE, they were all that remained, duh, if one guy died in Darnassus and the rest was evacuated the population in Stormwind would still be all that remained.

The first sentence refers to the World Tree. "Elsewhere" here refers to elsewhere from the World Tree. However many went into Stormwind, they were far fewer than their total population before hand. The text doesn't make sense linguistically under another interpretation.

Earlier in the story, Delaryn points out the inefficacy of evacuation and how while because they're getting them through by ones and twos they can't possibly cover as many as they'd like.

@Combatbulter

The point is that the bulk of the military was still away at the time. Those ships as I recall were not ones that were returning from Silithus but already present. This is relevant because Malf's plan was to run out the clock while Tyrande and the rest of the army showed up and the whole bit with the side route was done to prevent them from doing this.

[Combatbutler]

Not all of them returned, we talked about this before and the logic of having the BULk of the nation military doing nothing while city guards were forced to hold the line.

Except they got word turned the entire fleet around, Shandris even commended them for their ruse. Later bombarding the horde forces and getting some of their boats boarded etc.

So Malfurin wasnt her first priority, got it.

It was in that moment, she was willing to hand everything over to the horde without a fight.