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  1. #141
    Ion should step aside as lead game designer or whatever his title is. I don't think anyone needs to quit or be fired. I just think the people making the bad choices should step aside and let others give it a go.

    As far as the Q&A with Ion and Lore.... Those things are a waste of time. Every question is preselected and Ion has the answer rehearsed. To make it worse you can tell the questions are selected for topics they want to address and not for any valid relevance to anything important.

    Every one has felt as if I wasted an hour of my life watching it. I am done. So tired of Lore after each question talking to us as if we are retards and didn't understand Ion's answer. Far better off just looking at the notes. Less Lore!
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  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Unlimited Power View Post
    Josh on the other hand comes across as if he's had all life sucked out of him. It's a shame since I actually enjoyed him on Tankspot back in the days.
    I would imagine that to be a natural result of having to continually interact with the shitshow of a "community" a video game (especially WoW) creates. Just look at this thread, where most of the criticism of Josh is his appearance rather than anything substantive ... as if most of these anonymous forum commenters were Greek Gods in real life
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    I would imagine that to be a natural result of having to continually interact with the shitshow of a "community" a video game (especially WoW) creates.
    Penny Arcade is rarely on-point or even funny, but this is one of those times.

    https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2...-is-projecting

    If you're allergic to bees, don't sign up to be a beekeeper. Want a TL;DR? "Tough titties."

    If he can't handle the community, he should not be a community manager. I could never do that job either. That's why it isn't my job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    So what do you want them to answer? what question do YOU want them to answer?
    why did they ignore feedback in beta, i actually want to know even now why they did that
    why did they even give out beta in first place if they were going to ignore it anyway, and don't tell me bug fix because i got stuck for THREE days on my main in first quest in BFA, i don't remember last time i got stuck in launch quest like that ever, and that include TBC (and my wow friend also got stuck in that quest, also seems uncommon since only me and him got bugged)
    is beta just free publicity now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    I agree. Never seen a more pointless or soulless Q and A from any dev team in my lifetime. Even Trion did better Q and As/livestreams and that says a lot.

    Ion is just driving the game down into the dirt with his arrogance though. He's unwilling to at least accept or read criticism and then proceeds to patronise the playerbase with the "oh we hear you but this is happening anyway" attitude.

    At least the FF14 dev team read the feedback presented to them and try to adjust the game without causing any issue. Not to mention their live letters are straight to the point and informative rather than hiding information from us.
    i don't watch FF14 but read a lot of positive stuff about, too bad i'm so invested in wow that if i ever stop wow, i won't ever play any other mmo
    and i still cling to the tiny hope of wow get better, Legion did surprise me and i enjoyed a lot, even with its flows it still had many great things (it had the most content ever in game history, of course it will have some sh8t with that much content)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I dislike Ion, but I doubt the direction of the game is entirely his fault. Would need to replace all of the higher ups working on WoW and not just him to see substantial change.

    Lore is just a cunt and fails at his job as a CM. How the fuck he's still employed is beyond me. Especially when other CMs like Ythisens, who was much better, got laid off.
    unless he flat out says that he is just a puppet and others decide the game, he is the guy responsible in our eyes, and if he isn't responsible why the f8ck he claims to be so? can we get the guy who actually can change the game talk in first place or he doesn't give a f8ck about the game?
    As for Lore i lost faith in him when i saw he doesn't even play the game in first place, i don't understand how can i trust him in wow, when my 7 year old nephew plays wow more than him
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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandraudiga View Post
    Didn't Blizz hire Stephen Frost from Wildstar? His videos for that were pretty damned awesome, he'd make a better face for things than Lore does.
    He quit awhile ago to make a table top game he'd been trying to put out for years, and then I think he went to some Nexon unannounced project.

    I used to follow him on twitter before I did a big clean up of it, so I dunno if he's still with Nexon or not.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Maldarious View Post
    Ion should step aside as lead game designer or whatever his title is. I don't think anyone needs to quit or be fired. I just think the people making the bad choices should step aside and let others give it a go.
    He is a game director now and yes completely agree with you.

    Also, you can watch Ion talk ones in a while but not every Q&A, the guy is the definition of boring individual at lease he appears as such on the camera, they need to spice things up with some humor... this is a game after all and not a crack they are selling.


  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    That's what happens when you have to deal with asshats yelling at you 24/7 because they can't figure out how to stop playing a game they don't like.
    Pretty much. A big fraction of the active posters here need to leave the game and talking about it for six months, and get some perspective.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post



    I respectfully disagree. Simply bringing back big names won't change anything if the company's corporate culture doesn't change first. Which is far more difficult than hunting the old lions, which is quite difficult in itself, I'd wager.
    And you know what? You're 100% right. The company's corporate culture needs to change before we can talk about things from another level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    There is literally no reason to reply to any of your posts. Why do you think everyone shits on you? I hope you get well.

    I shouldn't have gone off topic and agreed with that other poster. The original topic was replacement of the hosts, and that was it. I answered you appropriately. I don't currently have a question for them because I am not playing the game. Come 8.2, I will have questions.
    There is no reason to tell me what questions you would want to ask them thathat they didnt answer? Ok then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    why did they ignore feedback in beta, i actually want to know even now why they did that
    why did they even give out beta in first place if they were going to ignore it anyway, and don't tell me bug fix because i got stuck for THREE days on my main in first quest in BFA, i don't remember last time i got stuck in launch quest like that ever, and that include TBC (and my wow friend also got stuck in that quest, also seems uncommon since only me and him got bugged)
    is beta just free publicity now?

    i don't watch FF14 but read a lot of positive stuff about, too bad i'm so invested in wow that if i ever stop wow, i won't ever play any other mmo
    and i still cling to the tiny hope of wow get better, Legion did surprise me and i enjoyed a lot, even with its flows it still had many great things (it had the most content ever in game history, of course it will have some sh8t with that much content)

    unless he flat out says that he is just a puppet and others decide the game, he is the guy responsible in our eyes, and if he isn't responsible why the f8ck he claims to be so? can we get the guy who actually can change the game talk in first place or he doesn't give a f8ck about the game?
    As for Lore i lost faith in him when i saw he doesn't even play the game in first place, i don't understand how can i trust him in wow, when my 7 year old nephew plays wow more than him
    Beta is used massively for bug fixing, and did fix MANY of the bugs from beta, but you will never catch them all, no game is bug free, and when a game like wow has that many players ate you absolutely going to run into bugs that you never ran Into on beta, as far less players play the beta then they do on live. also how did you get stuck on the first quest for three days, this sounds like something you should have taken a ton of screenshots of if it took 3 days to fix
    I would love to see these screenshots! Cause my game bugged and I didnt get my heart of azeroth, but I got to keep going. And everything went fine from there on out.

    Beta is mostly to catch the game breaking bugs, like the one that removed all the quests from your quest log when you changed zone. Sadly that one made it in because of a rush hotfix to try and fix a massive honor exploit. A perfect show of why you dont rush a patch, and wby blizzard can't just... Fix something in minutes, cause sometimes that can fuck something else up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Azerite is absolutely RNG you are right. You have no idea what traits will be on that piece you got from a random source until you roll it. I've literally had a Warfront piece that had the "opposite faction" passive and no passive/proc for my spec but it did for the other 2.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Allatar View Post
    You know, you've become this forum's version of that guy in the pub who sits there drunk rambling about his ex-wife from 5 years ago.

    Let it go mate, you've had enough. Go home.
    /shrug. All I can say is if you don't like my posting there is a feature on the website to remedy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    why did they ignore feedback in beta, i actually want to know even now why they did that
    why did they even give out beta in first place if they were going to ignore it anyway, and don't tell me bug fix because i got stuck for THREE days on my main in first quest in BFA, i don't remember last time i got stuck in launch quest like that ever, and that include TBC (and my wow friend also got stuck in that quest, also seems uncommon since only me and him got bugged)
    is beta just free publicity now?
    Pretty much. Blizzard don't give a damn about feedback presented during Betas anymore. BFA launched in an horrid state with quite a few bugs that were reported endlessly during Beta and they did nothing to fix them.

    Betas actually used to be both for publicity and getting stuff fixed. Now it's just for publicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancreatin View Post
    Its less then a million based on census websites
    Eh. Take census websites with a grain of salt. They use really skewered metric datas.

    Problem with Warcraft realms is that the data ratio hasn't been updated for a long time. But as I said 2 mil active players would still surprise me.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by NMX- View Post
    i wish they'd answer harder questions instead of answering a 4th question about titan forging and RNG. i wanna hear about new stuff.
    Bring on the return of the red shirt guy?
    I really think he should be working at Blizz.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Beta is used massively for bug fixing, and did fix MANY of the bugs from beta, but you will never catch them all...
    I think he is talking about Blizzard ignoring players feedback as one of them I can vouch for what Sam is saying since I had similar experience, bug reported in beta and on live multiple times 3+ months into the expansion. Granted, this specific issue wasn't game breaking annoying at most but fixing something like this shouldn't in any way take that long and yes they did fix these nodes eventually. Here is the post back from October of last year:

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...8#post50288178

  13. #153
    They should both be fired.

    Lore is an overweight weasel who needs a haircut. How is a community manager so openly hostile, rude and disingenuous is beyond me.

    Ion - well, we all know how soulless he is. The game isn't designed for players anymore. It's designed in this arrogant little germs vision. Who needs feedback when your head is so far up your own ass you can't hear it?

    Maybe he was a good raid designer. But a Game Director and a public face for Q&As? Fuck no, he's an awkward rambling lunatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tic Tacs View Post
    I think he is talking about Blizzard ignoring players feedback as one of them I can vouch for what Sam is saying since I had similar experience, bug reported in beta and on live multiple times 3+ months into the expansion. Granted, this specific issue wasn't game breaking annoying at most but fixing something like this shouldn't in any way take that long and yes they did fix these nodes eventually. Here is the post back from October of last year:

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...8#post50288178
    issue is they will never catch them all, and yes they get MANY of the bugs fixed.
    just because "hey this one bug i saw did not get fixed" does not mean they fixed no bugs. They have been fixing bugs for ALONG time now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Azerite is absolutely RNG you are right. You have no idea what traits will be on that piece you got from a random source until you roll it. I've literally had a Warfront piece that had the "opposite faction" passive and no passive/proc for my spec but it did for the other 2.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Tic Tacs View Post
    He is talking about Blizzard ignoring beta testers feedback as one of them I can vouch for what Sam is saying since I had similar experience, bug reported in beta and on live multiple times 3+ months into the expansion. Granted, this specific issue wasn't game breaking annoying at most but fixing something like this shouldn't in any way take that long and yes they did fix these nodes eventually. Here is the post back from October of last year:

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...8#post50288178
    I would completely ignore FelPlague if I was you. As you can see he/she/it basically completely ignored what Sam said and just went off on a tangent. Rambling.

    They completely ignore feedback on features and also completely ignored bugs and rushed this expansion out the door a month early when it clearly wasn't ready.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    I am not saying they need to be fired. They need to be replaced for the Q&As. I feel the streams are just tarnished at this point and Blizz needs to assign a new face to freshen things up for 8.2. I see them and I think, "well, this is all about to be some garbage bullshit." Give me some charisma. Even they look like they want to die during it.

    Maybe its just me.
    Whom would you replace Ion with?
    I think lore just needs to stay consistant and not change on a whim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    I am not saying they need to be fired. They need to be replaced for the Q&As. I feel the streams are just tarnished at this point and Blizz needs to assign a new face to freshen things up for 8.2. I see them and I think, "well, this is all about to be some garbage bullshit." Give me some charisma. Even they look like they want to die during it.

    Maybe its just me.
    I agree.

    I avoid the videos for a couple of months now, I can get the rehash from mmo champ.

    No point boring myself out by watching two totally un-enthusiastic employees describe their product to the masses.

    All I saw when looking at Ion was "Gambling Algorithms" over his head.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    I would completely ignore FelPlague if I was you. As you can see he/she/it basically completely ignored what Sam said and just went off on a tangent. Rambling.

    They completely ignore feedback on features and also completely ignored bugs and rushed this expansion out the door a month early when it clearly wasn't ready.
    I think the higher ups/investors gave them a deadline, so it had to get pushed out prematurely. I could be completely wrong on that though. The fact that Blizzard chooses their Q's carefully is pretty bad, it's almost as if they want to avoid questions pertaining to some aspects of the current live game/expac.
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  19. #159
    I supported Ion in Legion, but since then there have been to many decisions which have been made to make the game 'better' but not actually better to play.

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's almost like they want a pristine experience that pleases everyone. Take Azerite Armour, on paper it was a system that upset no one and solved most of the complaints of Legion Artifacts - but ended up being so bland that it has no gaming value or actual desire to progress in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    why did they ignore feedback in beta, i actually want to know even now why they did that
    I don't think they ignored it. They are just completely unable to respond to certain type of feedback (like changing a system) - most of that feedback was about designs that were already set in stone. They were looking for feedback on bugfixes and "class tuning" and things like that.

    Their feedback loop is a huge multi-year waterfall.

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