Far Left true colors are showing!

[Dsonsion]

The problem Tim Pool has is the assumption that Social Justice is necessarily a Leftist thing and not merely Liberals LARPing as such.

Social justice is a leftist thing that was co opted and hamstrung into comedy by liberals and corporations.

[Machismo]

you and I are in 100% agreement then. People should try to integrate, but shouldn't be forced to integrate. So, that's left to individual choice. The problem comes down the line, when that person deals with people who can't speak their native language, or their children who have to learn both, which I support by the way. A child should carry on the traditions of their forefathers. The main issue is the other people. Getting a job, shopping, getting a driver's license, dealing with law enforcement, all of these things are much more difficult if you can't speak English. And, while most law enforcement departments do carry personnel that speak multiple languages, I don't think that should be something they should have to do. that is a kindness that they do those people who choose not to learn proper English.

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It really is a bait thread. People here don't like Pool, so others post his videos because they know the response they garner.

No, we are not in 100% agreement, because you are equating that to racism.

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The problem Tim Pool has is the assumption that Social Justice is necessarily a Leftist thing and not merely Liberals LARPing as such.

You do realize that the entire Trumpster movement was based on "Social Justice," right? I don't think you Trumpsters realize that you are exactly like the SJWs you try and mock.

[Theodarzna]

Social justice is a leftist thing that was co opted and hamstrung into comedy by liberals and corporations.

At this point, whatever its origins are, its just Woke Libertarianism now. It's become a kind of religion substitute for people who can't live without it but hate to admit it.

[Adam Jensen]

Who's this youtuber? What are his credentials, and why do I care what he says?

[Draco-Onis]

What are Jimmy Dore, Seder and Kulinski credentials? Answer: I don't care. I like to watch (2 of them).

Will you make the same argument if one posts Jordan Peterson? Because the guy has credentials.

As stated on the first page:

10% discussion on topic
90% discussion about who Tim Pool is and if he's a Nazi (.......................), i.e. offtopic

The entire on topic "discussion" is basically how a random blog on the internet represents something, it's an insane straw man argument.

[JohnBrown1917]

Fake news, dude. He was there to interview them. He disavowed what they say both on videos and on Reddit numerous times. Next?

lol that is why he tried to hide himself.

What a bullshit excuse.

[Edge-]

Fake news, dude. He was there to interview them. He disavowed what they say both on videos and on Reddit numerous times. Next?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/...onic-nazi.html

Sure the guy that tweets "ironic" jokes about the holocaust just happened to go to the tiki-torch "Jews will not replace us" rally. And he was one of the faces/names used to advertise the "Unite the Right" Nazi rally, IIRC.

His tune only changed after someone maced him in the face and he cried like a bitch.

Of course those that cater and pander to white supremacists are going to deny that they do so when asked by non-white supremacists, it's bad for business when you let the cat out of the bag.

[Zelk]

Fake news, dude. He was there to interview them. He disavowed what they say both on videos and on Reddit numerous times. Next?

repeatedly giving a platform to nazis is bad imo

[Dsonsion]

Even though all I see are conservatives who need their 'safe space' ?

Yeah, conservatives are even worse. But where exactly is the dichotomy?

At this point, whatever its origins are, its just Woke Libertarianism now. It's become a kind of religion substitute for people who can't live without it but hate to admit it.

Word. All the while they're acting holier than thou for it, and having an all around punitive attitude to it. It's no coincidende they ask for bullshit things like fair representation or CEOs of minorities while the rest of them can get shafted, for all they really care.

[Zelk]

I agree. Who gave platform to which Nazis?

tim pool interviewed them nazis, you said it yourself

[StayTuned]

Well, he's more relevent then most posters here, you included, since he has subs and an active channel. Plus more interesting to listen to then the usual shitposting on these forum responses

That's what makes people relevant to you?

lol

[Endus]

That was journalism, just like CNN, or Fox, or MSNBC. "giving a platform" means something else. It means using or sharing your platform/"megaphone" with people and allowing them to spread their ideas.

If your approach is to highlight how totally fucked up the interviewee is, and how reprehensible and shitheaded their views are, because they're a Nazi, that's "journalism".

Giving them a chance to give "their side" with no pushback or derision is giving them a platform and giving them false credibility. It's acting to support those Nazis.

Journalism:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-kampf/524505/

"Spencer invited me to join a discussion group he was organizing, the Robert Taft Club. I was wary when he evaded my questions about the politics of his club."

Is this giving a platform? Or shining a light upon evil?

"When i asked spencer to meet me in January, before Trump’s inauguration, he showed better manners than his fans. (He denies that he advocates violence.) The front door of his apartment in Alexandria, just outside Washington, is not clearly marked, and even though he had given me the address, I wouldn’t have found it had a bespectacled young man not intercepted me outside, while I was rummaging around trash cans looking for a house number. “Can I help you?” he asked. He had brown hair and a geeky affect."

" His revolutionary movement is unlikely to succeed. But it is, I fear, authentic and durable. The shame of its indecency is felt only by those who share the country with Spencer, not by the man himself."

He's clearly not on Spencer's side. This is like those who write biographies of Hitler, but still condemn the man for perpetrating the Holocaust; writing about someone is not giving their ideas support.

So if one's a Nazi, if they want to purge Jews, minorities, if they want ethnostates, they're EVIL, should be exposed.

If one is a misguided (IMO) milquetoast centrist conservative that is not NONE of the above, they should never, ever be put in the same category as the actual Nazis.

Today's USA is one where conservative rallies will chant "Jews will not replace us", where they rant about "Mexicans", where white nationalism is a core principle, etc.

Claiming that modern American conservatives are mostly "none of the above" is just . . . generally incorrect. There's definitely a few; I wouldn't put Skroe in that basket. In terms of current US politicians, Mitt Romney doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. But a heck of a lot of the rest have at least some degree of this shade in their character.

This is the same tactic of dehumanization that the Nazis themselves use.

Pointing out that someone's views and positions and rhetoric carry Nazi overtones is not "dehumanization". It's pointing out their dehumanization of others.

If you're just trying to argue that claiming that "all conservatives are Nazis" is wrong, sure. Some carry no similarities.

But pointing to an individual person, and pointing out how their rhetoric, or the rhetoric of those they support and follow, aligns closely to Nazi rhetoric? Totally legitimate, and indeed, necessary.

[Zelk]

journalism is when you signalboost nazis then, aye?

[AeneasBK]

<bunch of dumb crap over several posts>

I mean, by all means take a moment to get the fuck over yourself

[Endus]

Imagine how easy it would be to say:

"Tim Pool is not Nazi. That picture is worrisome. His agenda is clearly conservative and anti-left in nature". He's not an ally for the left."

That would be so uncontroversial and accepted. I wouldn't have to post 10 times. I wouldn't say anything cause I'd agree with it.

So why does it HAVE to be "Nazi"?!? Not that I expect honest answers.

You linked the Alt-Right Playbook "The Card says Moops" video yourself, in this very thread, just a few pages ago.

Now here you are, insisting that Tim Pool's card clearly says "Moops", and ignoring everything in that video.

He has clearly associated with Neo-Nazis in the past, on friendly terms.

Just take a look at Pool's Youtube videos on a weekly basis. The titles are all far-right talking points. They're pushing a narrative of a collapsing society threatened from without and within; a classic position of fascist thought. Some of his posts are thinly veiled white nationalism (one from 2 months ago about "declining Western population, for instance). There's a significant trend of anti-Islamic videos.

I mean, maybe he's a different flavor of white-nationalist fascist, but it sure feels like we're quibbling over insignificant details. Does it really matter if his ethnoreligious target is a different group than the 3rd Reich prioritized? The point is that they engage in such at all.

[Zelk]

"I'm not a nazi I swear, I just want to talk about how the """global elite""" is conspiring to destroy the white majority in the most powerful empire on earth"

[Elegiac]

Talking points exist because there's a reason to discuss them. I have nothing against people criticizing Islam (fairly, which Tim is not smart enough to do), and nothing against acknowledging that the whites will become minority in the US, and other places.

These things require thoughtful discussion. No personal attacks.

That's nice, but this discounts the fact that you can't rationalise an ideology that is fundamentally irrational. There is no deeper thought to be divined from white nationalism; evil, at its core, is banal.

[Edge-]

and nothing against acknowledging that the whites will become minority in the US, and other places.

There's a difference between discussing that, and acting as if that's an attack against white people or "western civilization". As has been discussed elsewhere, white supremacist movements have gone to great lengths to sanitize and repackage their rhetoric to make it more palatable to the general public while still exposing others to the ideology and using it as a recruiting tool.

So sure, you can discuss whites being a minority eventually and that's fine. But when you frame it as an attack against "western civilization" then you're parroting white supremacist rhetoric.

[Endus]

and nothing against acknowledging that the whites will become minority in the US, and other places.

Noting the demographic fact isn't what makes it white supremacist rhetoric.

Arguing that it's a threat to Western civilization, and doubling down on opposing immigration as a solution because of the threat to "Western culture", is what makes it white supremacist. The only thin veil is that he hides that argument in the actual video/description, not the title, but that concept is inherently ethno-nationalist in nature.

[quote]As for the Innuendo Studios video, I linked that because I am fair, and I want to know and understand how people think. I think there's a lot of paranoia in it, but also truth. Watched his altright videos quite a number of times. Impressive work. Biased, but impressive.

You're mis-using "bias". "Bias" infers prejudice, or some other form of unfair conclusion. Saying that "Nazis are shitheaded fuckers who should be marginalized and denigrated at every opportunity, for being such colossal fuckstains" for instance. That's harsh. It's definitely strongly worded. It is not biased, even given the amount of venom and abuse I deliberately inserted; it's based on a fair adjudication of exactly how evil and abusive their viewpoint is.

This mislabelling of "bias" is an attack on discussion, itself. The very concept of it. You implicitly accuse anyone and everyone you disagree with of "bias", which infers that they are unreasonable and their viewpoints without warrant. Having an opinion/viewpoint does not make one "biased".

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Yes, and? Who said it's not? Who is rationalizing it? I am definitely not. i'm against nationalism and national pride in general. Quite a few posts of mine contain that info. Tim is definitely more conservative than me, but he is not a white supremacist. Nor a Nazi. He is simply not. So he should not be described as such.

Then he shouldn't make videos supporting and furthering white nationalist and fascist talking points.

Which he clearly does.

As I already pointed out.

You're insisting that Pool's card says "Moops", again.

[Zaydin]

I see this bait thread still hasn't been closed