Joe Biden- why?

[Skroe]

Nah, I just read the forum a lot more than I post. And I've read a LOT of hot air coming from you in the Mueller thread that you were never held to account for. You think picking a handful of opportune posts over the course of over 2 years is going to save you, LMAO.

Save me from what? Being largely correct about everything? I mean my record going back two years says what it says. I own it. I'm quite pleased with it. What's left is Democrats to decide to do what to do with it. My hope - and this is something else I said - is that Nancy Pelosi doesn't hold back because she thinks she can fundraise off of Trump.

You'll have to make peace with the reality you're in at some point.

You can be as pleased as you please. Makes you a bit of a sociopath, but whatever gets you to sleep.

Wow that's an hateful thing to say. You should talk to somebody about those angry feelings of yours.

[Skroe]

When I'm not spending so much time playing PoE, I'll do a deep dive on you and a few others in that thread. I think it's worth my time. You have this warning to go make all the edits and deletions you can while you have time.

Have at it champ! I'm sure there's some kind of prize at the end of that road!

Just a friendly reminder though, I replied to you talking about Biden and the campaign (the topic of the thread) and you came at me all guns blazing with your many pent up greivences and frustrations. You decided to go weirdly off topic for some reason. I guess I just bother you that much.

And to think I haven't even brought up your favorite topic, your old friend Roy Moore.

I'll check in after work later this afternoon.

But P.S. maybe you wouldn't be one of the deplorables if you got a job rather than played P.O.E. all day!

[Skroe]

Nah it was your specific comment that Trump would be indicted after losing the 2020 election. You know that.

Oh that? I certainly think he will be.

Wanna know why?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...uction-1361467

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) said the Justice Department would have “no choice” but to charge President Donald Trump with obstruction of justice if he finished his term without being impeached.

Speaking with NPR’s Scott Detrow in an interview published Wednesday, Harris said special counsel Robert Mueller essentially set the stage for criminal charges against Trump with his investigation into the 2016 election. Longstanding Justice Department policy says that a sitting president cannot be indicted, and Harris said that was essentially the only reason Mueller did not charge Trump.

All that would change in 2021 if the Democratic presidential hopeful were in the White House and the Justice Department were under her watch, she said.

“I believe that they would have no choice, and that they should,” Harris said of the Justice Department’s charging Trump with obstruction. “I believe there should be accountability. Everyone should be held accountable. And the president is not above the law.”

This is going to start a race within the Democrats about who will promise to nail trump the hardest once they win.

Which means once Trump loses re-election, his very freedom is in jeopardy, because they _will_ come after him. This is not Hillary-style empty promises like Trump made. Trump has the Mueller report stacked against him. Hillary had nothing like that on her.

[Skroe]

So you complain about me going off-topic when I responded to your nonsense, and then when I point out how it was a reaction to what you said, you go even further off-topic? Shine on you crazy diamond.

I'll just file this neatly under all of the things you'll want us to forget about again in 2 years.

I mean, you'd certainly be the expert. <3



Cya later, amigo.

[Theodarzna]

This would only make sense with an isn't in the second sentence. I'll consider this a Freudian slip. We all know he's the opposite of honest and pretends a lot (although he doesn't even invest the effort into pretending he's smart, he'll just proclaim it).

Cellphone spelling, he isn't honest and anyone can look at him and see a bullshitter. Obama hid his bullshit and was very flowery and poetic, as in very two-faced.

[Ghostpanther]

Cellphone spelling, he isn't honest and anyone can look at him and see a bullshitter. Obama hid his bullshit and was very flowery and poetic, as in very two-faced.

That is sooooo true. Well said.

[Felya]

Cellphone spelling, he isn't honest and anyone can look at him and see a bullshitter. Obama hid his bullshit and was very flowery and poetic, as in very two-faced.

That is sooooo true. Well said.

Shouldn’t you guys be honest and at least tell us these conspiracies you guys believe Obama was hiding? Is it his birth certificate? Education? Wiretapping Trump’s campaign? 45% unemployment? What conspiracy theory are you guys banking on, in knowing Obama’s hidden bullshit? You know... since it’s hidden and you know about it...

I really want to know... Which lie of Trump’s are you believing about Obama, while recognizing Trump is a liar?

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Come on guys... no need to be shy. Trump just used executive privilege to, once again, hide his bullshit about the citizenship question on the census. You got to give us something tangible about Obama being the same. It can’t be just bullshit to make what Trump is doing seem normal... after all, you seem to have no trouble of attacking Biden on his stupid commentary...

[kaelleria]

That was quick.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Shouldn’t you guys be honest and at least tell us these conspiracies you guys believe Obama was hiding? Is it his birth certificate? Education? Wiretapping Trump’s campaign? 45% unemployment? What conspiracy theory are you guys banking on, in knowing Obama’s hidden bullshit? You know... since it’s hidden and you know about it...

I really want to know... Which lie of Trump’s are you believing about Obama, while recognizing Trump is a liar?

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Come on guys... no need to be shy. Trump just used executive privilege to, once again, hide his bullshit about the citizenship question on the census. You got to give us something tangible about Obama being the same. It can’t be just bullshit to make what Trump is doing seem normal... after all, you seem to have no trouble of attacking Biden on his stupid commentary...

Neither of them will answer, and if one does, it will be Ghostpanther with a non-answer. Theo has fallen into the right wing political circle jerk about how evil and two faced Obama and Hillary were, while Republicans are "at least honest about their dishonesty". But these two and more have quite often proclaimed that they'd rather have a Republican whom they knew was lying to them than someone who THEY THINK was lying to them but claimed to be telling the truth.

The sad part is, they can only ever cite conspiracy theories that have been debunked long ago, or were never proven one way or another, so their false mistrust for Obama and Hillary hinge entirely on their hate boners and not actual reality. Meanwhile, Republicans ALWAYS pretend they're telling the truth, and Ghostpanther himself even loves to slurp up every word Republicans make as truth, and then a year or two later, pretend he knew he was being lied to. Theo herself was pulled in even by some of Trump's lies, and has also done a complete 180 there, suddenly recognizing them as lies.

This all reminds me of 2000-2008. I will, with great fondness, remember all the folks on this forum who decided to give Trump a chance because he seemed like he was the real deal and the best person for the job, only to 180 and say that they knew the whole time he was a fraud, a hack, and a criminal, and they never really supported him or defended him. Just like how Bush enjoyed a close to 100% approval rating among Republicans early in his term, who almost all now claim that they hated the Bush Jr administration from day 1 and were NEVER EVER FOOLED.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Conservatives have fully embraced feels over reals, the very thing they clowned on just a few years back.

[Draco-Onis]

That is sooooo true. Well said.

I like it how being presidential and respectful is two faced while the compulsive liar is hailed as honest. The guy who bangs porn stars, bribes them while his wife is pregnant is your champion the level of cognitive dissonance Trump supporters have is mind blowing. /facepalm.

[Alvito]

2 years ago I think Biden would have certainly won against Trump. Now I think he is a trap candidate for the dems and doesn't stand a chance. He has become about as liked and trusted as Hillary and isn't doing anything to pull people away from Trump. Dems have a lot of poor choices right now which might make hime more appealing for some, but he is a mistake.

[NED funded]

Biden Leads New Nevada Poll, as Warren Surpasses Sanders

Biden - 36%

Warren - 19%

Sanders - 13%

Buttigieg - 7%

Harris - 6%

Things aren't going so well for Bernie. Biden is demolishing it tho.

[Hobb]

2 years ago I think Biden would have certainly won against Trump. Now I think he is a trap candidate for the dems and doesn't stand a chance. He has become about as liked and trusted as Hillary and isn't doing anything to pull people away from Trump. Dems have a lot of poor choices right now which might make hime more appealing for some, but he is a mistake.

How so?

Right now The Hill shows in a general election poll Biden wining by 13 points, 53% vs 40%.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-national-poll

Even when all polls are averaged in they all show Biden beating Trump by a large margin, this including the conservative Fox and Rasmussen polls.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

[Felya]

How so?

Right now The Hill shows in a general election poll Biden wining by 13 points, 53% vs 40%.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-national-poll

Even when all polls are averaged in they all show Biden beating Trump by a large margin, this including the conservative Fox and Rasmussen polls.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

Alan Moore calls it magic, but it’s a way of repeating something, until people believe it’s true. In effect, changing ones reality, like magic... It’s why we keep hearing that majority voted for Trump...

[beanman12345]

Only way for this primary to actually be a race would be for Bernie or Warren to leave it early and endorse the other. If that did happen, it could get interesting.

I could see Bernie endorsing Warren, but not vice versa, considering she didn't endorse him in 2016. But who knows different times, she could surprise me.

[kaelleria]

For his name ID, Buttigeig is doing fantastic... Sanders is actually doing pretty terrible when you consider his universal name ID.

[Elegiac]

Only way for this primary to actually be a race would be for Bernie or Warren to leave it early and endorse the other. If that did happen, it could get interesting.

That's assuming they will continue to split the progressive vote as opposed to one overtaking the other, which I think is more likely. Polling at the moment tells us a couple of things:

- While electability is a major concern among Democrats, there is still a very strong interest in policy.
- Age remains an issue for candidates, something plaguing Biden as well as Sanders.
- The actual number of Bernie or Bust voters plateaus at 8%, with most polled having an interest in multiple candidates.

All of these are factors against Bernie and in Warren's favor; I also happen to think her campaigning strategy is vastly more effective than his. If it should come down to a contest between the two, Warren may very well end out on top.

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Biden Leads New Nevada Poll, as Warren Surpasses Sanders

Biden - 36%

Warren - 19%

Sanders - 13%

Buttigieg - 7%

Harris - 6%

Things aren't going so well for Bernie. Biden is demolishing it tho.

Case in point.

[Endus]

I could see Bernie endorsing Warren, but not vice versa, considering she didn't endorse him in 2016. But who knows different times, she could surprise me.

Frankly, fuck Bernie Sanders.

I applauded his run in 2016, his decision to swallow his independence and caucus with the Democrats to try and achieve something.

And then he lost the primary, and demonstrated he'd never had a change of heart, went back to being an Independent, and kept on doing his thing.

Now he's trying to caucus with the Democrats again, and it's become clear that he has only one reason for doing so. Because he thinks he can use their party to help him maybe win the Presidency. He doesn't want to be a Democrat; if he did, he'd have stayed with the Party. He just wants to use them for his own, personal, self-aggrandizement.

Fuck that guy. If he'd stuck with being a Democrat, or ran this time around as an Independent, I wouldn't feel nearly this strongly, but he didn't, and he's not.

There's also no way he's gonna back Warren; he only cares about his own victory. And there's no way Warren will back him; he's not a Democrat and has proven he doesn't want to work within the party unless it's to his benefit. He's only going to split votes and cause problems, and he doesn't give a shit, because he only cares about his own potential for winning. He wants the Presidency as a final feather in his cap before he retires. He's Socialist Trump.

[kaid]

Biden Leads New Nevada Poll, as Warren Surpasses Sanders

Biden - 36%

Warren - 19%

Sanders - 13%

Buttigieg - 7%

Harris - 6%

Things aren't going so well for Bernie. Biden is demolishing it tho.

Bernie had an easier time when he was the only alternative to hillary. That is not the case now so if you just want old white guy you vote for biden but if you want somebody really progressive there are a lot of options and warren is quickly making a good case for herself. It really depends how rapidly the herd of candidates thins out the more there are the better bernie probably will do just because he has enough set base to win some states but if things winnow quickly down to a handful of candidates I think he will have a lot less luck.