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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Isn't that poll favoring the oldest of voters?
    Most polls do because old people tend to vote every election and young people are flakey as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Most polls do because old people tend to vote every election and young people are flakey as fuck.
    Then that's about as accurate as when they polled Americans and found that Hillary was not only winning but winning by a landslide. The polls are just propaganda that doesn't work. You know anything about Joe Biden because I don't know jack about him, other than that he was Obama's shadow. A creepy shadow at that. I don't know his policies, or what he plans to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Then that's about as accurate as when they polled Americans and found that Hillary was not only winning but winning by a landslide. The polls are just propaganda that doesn't work. You know anything about Joe Biden because I don't know jack about him, other than that he was Obama's shadow. A creepy shadow at that. I don't know his policies, or what he plans to do.
    That sounds like a problem you should resolve. If you don't know someone's policies, maybe you should look them up. I mean, it's one thing to not know the policies of a political newcomer, but Biden has been around since the last ice age, and was VP.

    https://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    That sounds like a problem you should resolve. If you don't know someone's policies, maybe you should look them up. I mean, it's one thing to not know the policies of a political newcomer, but Biden has been around since the last ice age, and was VP.

    https://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm
    At least you provided a list of stuff he supports. Lets see here. Gotta love there's a section on the very top about abortion rights, as if that matters. Off to a good start I see. He doesn't support "Medicare for All" it seems. He's in favor of corporations, like Hillary. Nothing about student loan debt. What is this, theater? Civil Rights, Crime, and Drugs? Where's the meat and potatoes? This guy is just Hillary with a penis. Nobody is voting for this guy except the corporations who made up that poll.

    Democrats are their own worst enemy it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Then that's about as accurate as when they polled Americans and found that Hillary was not only winning but winning by a landslide. The polls are just propaganda that doesn't work. You know anything about Joe Biden because I don't know jack about him, other than that he was Obama's shadow. A creepy shadow at that. I don't know his policies, or what he plans to do.
    Basically Obama 2.0. If you liked Obama's policies, you should like Biden. Biden also has that smooth smile and a elderly appearance of experience going for him. A Big Daddy will give us what we want for the Democrat party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    At least you provided a list of stuff he supports. Lets see here. Gotta love there's a section on the very top about abortion rights, as if that matters. Off to a good start I see. He doesn't support "Medicare for All" it seems. He's in favor of corporations, like Hillary. Nothing about student loan debt. What is this, theater? Civil Rights, Crime, and Drugs? Where's the meat and potatoes? This guy is just Hillary with a penis. Nobody is voting for this guy except the corporations who made up that poll.

    Democrats are their own worst enemy it seems.
    I would. I do like medicare for all, if done right. But, I do not support free college and/or the paying of current loans. That's not to say I think college should cost what it costs. Don't get what I'm saying twisted, I'll vote for Warren or Sanders if they're the nominee, no doubt about it, but I think you're being unnecessarily negative about Biden. It's not about whether a young guy from NJ, (like yourself) would vote for Biden. It's whether, enough working class and black folks in PA, MI, WI, MN, FL, AZ, CO vote for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    At least you provided a list of stuff he supports. Lets see here. Gotta love there's a section on the very top about abortion rights, as if that matters. Off to a good start I see. He doesn't support "Medicare for All" it seems. He's in favor of corporations, like Hillary. Nothing about student loan debt. What is this, theater? Civil Rights, Crime, and Drugs? Where's the meat and potatoes? This guy is just Hillary with a penis. Nobody is voting for this guy except the corporations who made up that poll.

    Democrats are their own worst enemy it seems.
    You are simply showing yourself to be a Bernie fanboy.. and that's fine. You are free to not like his policy choices, or his character.

    I mean, if you think that embracing socialism is good for the Democrats, then you are clearly not paying attention to the tone of this nation right now.

    So, in the end, you are admitting to being ignorant, then are upset that someone offered you a little bit of information, and don't like that it's not literally everything. Don't blame your ignorance on others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Basically Obama 2.0. If you liked Obama's policies, you should like Biden. Biden also has that smooth smile and a elderly appearance of experience going for him. A Big Daddy will give us what we want for the Democrat party.
    That would be a false assumption Biden has always been more conservative than Obama who was a centrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    That would be a false assumption Biden has always been more conservative than Obama who was a centrist.
    So in other words, his recent flip-flopping is only a show to get votes?

    "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

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    I think he is just another Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    That would be a false assumption Biden has always been more conservative than Obama who was a centrist.
    But really a conservative by tradition US measurements. If we go by traditional measurements, Carter was the last Left leaning president. Clinton and Obama were both right of center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    So in other words, his recent flip-flopping is only a show to get votes?
    You mean like the pro-choice Democrat Trump, prior to his involvement in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    You mean like the pro-choice Democrat Trump, prior to his involvement in politics.
    The guiding republican value is winning at any cost. They are largely immune to charges of flip flopping because lying to win is actually representing republican values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    So in other words, his recent flip-flopping is only a show to get votes?

    "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

    "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman." - Barrack Obama.

    I think he is just another Obama.
    Just a reminder... you claimed to have voted for Obama. If you were consistent, wouldn’t the above mean Biden gets your vote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    So in other words, his recent flip-flopping is only a show to get votes?

    "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

    "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman." - Barrack Obama.

    I think he is just another Obama.
    So Trump is another Obama? I don't get your weird logic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    You mean like the pro-choice Democrat Trump, prior to his involvement in politics.
    lol... Democrats were too conservative for Trump. He was musing about running with Oprah on an independent ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    So Trump is another Obama? I don't get your weird logic here.
    I thought he was saying Biden has his vote, since he claims to have voted for Obama and now said they are the same.

    Also, Obama’s approval was 8% higher than Trump’s... meaning that Biden being just like Obama, is a great sign for democrats going against Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    lol... Democrats were too conservative for Trump. He was musing about running with Oprah on an independent ticket.

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    I thought he was saying Biden has his vote, since he claims to have voted for Obama and now said they are the same.

    Also, Obama’s approval was 8% higher than Trump’s... meaning that Biden being just like Obama, is a great sign for democrats going against Trump.
    I doubt he voted for him he seems to think Obama was the second coming of Satan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    So Trump is another Obama? I don't get your weird logic here.
    Of course you wouldn't. It is called being two faced. And what has Trump clearly flip-flopped on since he ran for President?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I doubt he voted for him he seems to think Obama was the second coming of Satan.
    Hey now! I believe everything random people on the internet say... or at least when it serves my argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    But really a conservative by tradition US measurements. If we go by traditional measurements, Carter was the last Left leaning president. Clinton and Obama were both right of center.

    That must be relative from your political viewpoint.

    Clinton and Obama were left of center. Obama got Obamacare passed for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Of course you wouldn't. It is called being two faced. And what has Trump clearly flipflopped on since he has ran for President?
    Cutting medicare, social security and medicaid, repeal and replace, better deal (insert everything he broke), the magical middle class tax cut before the mid terms that vanished etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    That must be relative from your political viewpoint.

    Clinton and Obama were left of center. Obama got Obamacare passed for instance.
    Obamacare WAS REPUBLICAN PLAN BY THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION AND NEWT GINGRICH /facepalm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Of course you wouldn't. It is called being two faced. And what has Trump clearly flip-flopped on since he ran for President?
    Here is the line he said after your quote:

    http://www.mtv.com/news/1598407/bara...-college-more/
    But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them.
    Who is two faced? Mr ‘I voted for Obama’...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    Clinton and Obama were left of center. Obama got Obamacare passed for instance.
    ACA was the counter to HillaryCare... it was a GOP plan that they used to stop a democrat healthcare plan, even if it was Obama who tried to enact it. That’s why there is no GOP healthcare plan... the next DNC president might call their bluff and try to enact it. Like Obama did...
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