View Poll Results: Do you think 8.2 will save BfA?

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  1. #61
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    Nah, there is nothing to look forward to. Everyone bitched about Legion when it was current but at least I got some replayability from the Mage Tower and unlocking artifact skins. The necklace and armor are the laziest shit Blizzard has passed off as "content" since the selfie camera. I would unironically had preferred if they kept the weapons from Legion and added more skins with new traits rather scrapped them all together. The weapon was more than just some cloak or or raid wide ring buff, it felt like part of the class. Like they scrapped a new talent tree and just baked it as a bunch of shitty passives.

    If I come back at all for WoW it will be in 9.0 and they better have something huge coming, the future of this MMO has never felt more uncertain.

    P.S. Blizzard, fire those fucking hacks Ion and Lore for the love of all that is holy. Never in a million years did I think I would say this: GHOSTCRAWLER COME BACK TO US!!!!
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  2. #62
    It'd be nice, but unless it's a patch that functions as an entire expansion with several class reworks and redesigns, odds are it won't even scratch the issues that WoW currently has.
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  3. #63
    They can add all the content that they want to add, but if they dont change classes, the problem will be the same.

  4. #64
    No, the classes are still broken.

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    All classes still play like shit, so I doubt it. GCD on everything and less secondary scaling really takes the pace out of everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sting View Post
    All classes still play like shit, so I doubt it. GCD on everything and less secondary scaling really takes the pace out of everything.
    Yep. one of the main reasons I cant understand why devs cant see a change they made is actually worse.
    There's a situation that people are just logging in for the 400 item on Warfront/incursions and that's it.
    Wait times in LFR gone from 20 mins upto 50+

    If a new expansion launches without a major class rethink they really are throwing away a brilliant chance
    to reboot things. I really am a slow player always have been but the pace has been totally stamped on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exkrementor View Post
    I bet plain rice waffles are your favourite dish.


    On topic: x.2 will not save (current x-pac), its just about damage control. To save(current x-pac) you have to revamp most of the expansion and seeing what little blizzard has done since alpha there is no way x.2 will have this much changes. Hopefully they have learned their lesson and the next expansion wont be shit.
    Here we have it...the generic "fill in the blanks" response since I joined during WotLK

    Quote Originally Posted by oathy View Post
    Wait times in LFR gone from 20 mins upto 50+
    Dunno where you play. Just queued and got into a raid on the last day before reset, EU...weekday...00:30 am...as a dps in 17 minutes. Your anecdotal evidence vs mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Here we have it...the generic "fill in the blanks" response since I joined during WotLK



    Dunno where you play. Just queued and got into a raid on the last day before reset, EU...weekday...00:30 am...as a dps in 17 minutes. Your anecdotal evidence vs mine
    that is very strange, My main is outland EU wonder if its just the times I've tried.
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  9. #69
    Bfa some weird class design and islands lol is fine it's mmo genre that is getting stale. Also today's youth want rewarding gameplay within 20 min that's mobile and br.

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    WoW can't be 'saved' in its current regime. But it also can't get any worse to be honest, there's only uphill from here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Here we have it...the generic "fill in the blanks" response since I joined during WotLK
    Responding to a "generic" response with the most generic response ever. Ironic

    Yeah sure. It was always this way. Every criticism on BFA is just wrong. Everybody who hates BFA is just a whining bitch.

    OR you stop denying that BFA was doomed since alpha and blizzard did not much to fix that.
    I played every beta since Wotlk and never was I this disappointed at the new expansion. Every expansion had new cool features that I was looking forward too. (Ok, WoDs class design was worrying too, but not as much as BFAs class design).
    Anybody with half a brain could see that something was wrong with BFA but blizzard was just abandoning it. Sometimes months without any real changes.

    BFA has no real new features and is only taking away cool things.

    Islands are a dead feature. Wafronts are a dead feature (I would honestly rather sit still for 20 minutes than play a warfront. They are fucking atrocious). Azerite armor is ok after they balanced it but Artifacts and legendaries were a lot better. (And yeah legendaries were also really shitty at the start of legion until they balanced them and gave us a vendor)

    And the worst of all: The secondary stat change. Secondary stats is what makes most classes fun to play. Remember Woltk when everybody had like 40% crit in blue gear? That wasnt fun right? Better have 9%crit in blue gear and 11% crit with mythic raidgear. That is fun! Only to balance gear so that itemlevel is the best stat because you cannot expect some LFR dude to think about his gear and his class.
    And it has worked as intended...NOT. The secondary stats of most classes are worth double than mainstats. Good work blizzard, you only made the game less fun.
    One obvious solution would be to bring reforging back. But blizzard dont like that because its not fun for LFR dude to think about his gear. And LFR dude pays the bills. Better keep him happy with more itemlevel and warfronts he cannot lose.
    This change alone shows how blizzard has no idea anymore what is fun and this is the reason why 8.2 will not save BFA.

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    8.2 is just more content with the shit design philosophy, it won't change anything.
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  13. #73
    No, it won't. 8.2 is going to be broken up into 2 or 3 different small patches that's going to make it feel just as boring and drawn out as the game currently feels.

    8.2 isn't even on the PTR yet and almost every patch has been, roughly, on the PTR for 2 months before being released. That means we're looking at June in the earliest for it, most likely July before we see any bit of 8.2 live.

    Even then, I'm 90% sure that 8.2 is going to be broken up into at least 2 mini patches, which will again stretch out the time between content and 9.9% sure it'll be 3 mini patches instead; the first being the Nazjatar outdoor zone with it's quests and then 1 or 2 months later the raid. Mechagon, I'm not sure if they'll release that with Nazjatar the zone or as a stand alone 1 month after Nazjatar followed by the raid 1 month after that. I'm leaning towards with the outdoor zone but this is B team Blizzard's expansion so stretching it as much as possible isn't out of the picture.

    The reality is though, there just aren't enough changes being made to fix the issues that we're having with BfA as a whole. Sure, they're overhauling the Azerite system, but is that enough to completely reverse the damage it's done? I don't think so.

  14. #74
    Oh hell to the NO. for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavfin View Post
    Amazing how many people who supposedly 'quit' in the first month after release...still can't let go, and are still posting.
    And that is bad because...?
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  16. #76
    Story can't be saved anymore but like not that much ppl care bout story.
    Azerite gear was great will get even better.
    We need more content

    And well, we need class balance especially on M+ since it became e-sport.

    So. BfA was pretty good except for story and first raid. BoD did save that.
    And the only thing I would consider a salvation right now would be class balance towards M+ (and raids)

  17. #77
    It can certainly redeem it's second half, but no expansion where 50% of it's lifecycle was plagued with egregious bugs, terrible design decisions, and a dearth of interesting and meaningful content / character progression can be "saved".

    And no sorry, Legion does not fall into this camp.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by toffmcsoft View Post
    I can't imagine it either but then again Classic was the success it was.
    In all honesty, wow 2.0 is what's needed. A FULL reset of the game but including many of the new classes & races.

    Classic was designed to perfect for a "community" feeling. Wouldn't be surprised if we see WOW 2.0 released in 5 years.
    WoW 2.0 is not the solution so long as the design philosophy doesn't change dramatically.

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    I don't know that it needs saving and for some it won't matter how good the patch is. Their mind is made up, it all sucks and the advent of more content is just an opportunity to reiterate that. Lines are drawn.

    People that like it will continue to do so and people that don't won't. That's all fine.
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  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazuli View Post
    WoW can't be 'saved' in its current regime. But it also can't get any worse to be honest, there's only uphill from here.
    Your response is riddled with confusion. First off it doesn't need saving. More people enjoy it than don't. Second, did you know the saying of things being "uphill" means things will be difficult. It makes no sense in the context you use it. I imagine you meant "things can only go up from here" or something like that, not that it will be difficult going forward.

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