Maybe. I'll probably resub for a month or two because of it
Maybe. I'll probably resub for a month or two because of it
8.1(.5) basically already fixed all that was wrong.
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Nah, its april 3rd now and there is no sign of ptr of 8.2 even, so its like 3-4 months away at this point, b4 8.2 hits live servers another huge part of current players will stop. I belive there wont be many ppl coming bk b4 classic if they are into it or next xpac.
I think they indeed don't really have a vision for the game in terms of the gameplay apart from that it has to "stay WoW" and have the traditional things.
The most in terms of forward-looking experiments that they have been doing lately was the experiment with the AI - with the island AI ending up basically irrelevant, but with the continuation with the AB brawl being a good game mode, in my opinion (not super-great, but fun and worth extending to all BGs).
Previously, they'd do more of experiments and the experiments would be bigger. Some were successful, others not so much, but they were doing big things. Phasing. LFG, then eventually cross-realm raids. Pet battles. Archaeology. Transmog. Sharding and merged servers. Etc. They are not doing much of that anymore, there are still some experiments but they are much rarer and smaller, it's mostly traditional things.
By the way, that level squeeze that they are talking about is a good way for them to spend a lot of time, ruin tons of things and achieve pretty much nothing in the end. I get that they likely talked about it because they had nothing else they felt like talking about in the Q&A, but I really hope they won't suddenly commit to it, that's going to just again lose a lot of resources for nothing.
... Other than them owning, developing and selling the game you mean?
World of Warcraft has everything to do with Blizzard.
That an extremely small percentage of players looked up and used. The overwhelming majority made their own choices, be they good or bad, which meant that the talent system was a far more individual (and, thus, more player-orientated) concept.
You are right that BFA does not need saving, it's designed for it's target audience. Saying that WoW has always been the same is pure bullshit though.
I would go as far as saying that it's not even the same game as it was back in Vanilla/TBC.
People can argue to death over which version that is/were the better one but in the end it doesn't matter because Blizzard has chosen their path and that's the one the game is heading down and there is no turning back from that one now. People need to adapt or quit i'm afraid.
Actually from what I can remember:
- 1 Big zone with story and quests (Nazjatar)
- 1 Small zone with story and quests (Mechagon)
- 8 boss Raid (Queen Ashzara last boss)
- 8 boss only mythic megadungeon (Mechagon) (later they will split it in half for HC)
- Heroic warfronts for premade group of 10 (they said it's difficulty would be the same as nromal or hc raid don't remember)
- Bodyguard for when you are in Nazjatar and will level up (this is meh but still worth mention)
- Flying (as far as I know they hinted the possibility of being enabled also on Nazjatar)
- Mini Events in Nazjatar and PVP/PVE towers for control (or something like that)
- Azerite pieces fully unlocked forever and we will have a talent tree in the neck similar to the one on legion with AW
There is more stuff but I don't remember, as far as I can see, this as content for a patch is sweet and big.
To an extent, the snag is that it’s so difficult to determine what an RPG fundamentally is.
A lot of people make exactly that claim:
“This is supposed to be an MMORPG, what is this shit?!”
But an RPG is really only defined as something that concentrates on fictional characters that deal in imaginary worlds… Meaning just about anything else is viable, and all Blizzard need to do is deal with player-orientated toons (which they do) that operate in a fictional world (which we do). Therefore, establishing a clear design orientated vision is something that I might want because of my belief that it’s what made the game so good until Cataclysm started the demise; but the current approach meets the defining definition of an RPG, so it’s a very hard argument to hold with game designers.
Funnily enough, one of YouTube’s more popular speakers effectively concluded that this expansion essentially took what Legion had and hoped that simplifying would be enough. All it tried to add was the island content and attack/defend events but, like you say, they’re both laughably shallow systems that players typically got involved in purely for the necessary rewards.
I sincerely hope the level squish happens, and for a number of reasons I’ve posted elsewhere. I accept your concerns, they’re certainly valid, but I reckon the benefits will outstretch the problems.
As I hinted to @rda, World of Warcraft is an RPG.
There's essentially no way to argue that it's not.
What we can argue, is that it's not the type of RPG it was (it isn't), or that we want.
Gear has only mattered in pre made content since WotlK, but this really is broken. This is mitigated by heirlooms and last tier gear being g so powerful, existing characters breeze through stuff, new characters with no heirlooms or no high end tier gear from the previous expansion find it much more challenging
The only thing that can save BfA is a quick release of an amazing new expansion (or better, the foresight to it so we know it's coming and BfA isn't dragging anymore). BfA itself isn't redeemable.
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Exactly this. WoD had the exact same problems although the first months of WoD have been considered quite good compared to the mess that BfA is.
MAGA - Make Alliance Great Again
At this point, the whiners and trolls will whine and troll even if we get the best patch/expansion in history of WoW. So, to answer your question? No, nothing can save WoW from idiots. And for people with at least one brain cell it doesn't need saving, so...I'm voting No.
If the future is female...get ready for apocalypse.
Nothing to save, bfa is fine as it is.
Well, for me its good. Its fine if you think differently...
Bfa is dead
Legion is the worst expansion
BFA=Blizzard Failed Again
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I would say no. It will be another continent that most will stomp out in less then a month. Blizzard does not understand their fundamental problem with WoW. Retiring Attunements in Wrath was an absolute disaster that hurt end game in WoW very bad.
Yes Beta for Azerite will end but then the other massive flaws with the game will become more apparent. Titanforge and Warforge are just broken systems that only serve to anger people.
RNG and non rewarding systems in WoW will continue to bleed subs just like EVERY SINGLE other MMO with non rewarding and grindy systems have done before.
If WoW drops below 1 million subs because of BFA I would not be shocked. Ion needs to be fired and Lore needs to go also. Ion is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to set in his ways to see that his vision for WoW is killing it and Lore has EASILY got to be the worst CM this game or any other MMO has ever had. I honestly cannot tell you what he does. They sure as hell do not communicate and the community hates the damn community manager.
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