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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Yeah, no.

    Trump might act as a wannabe-dictator, but he won't do this. Even if he wanted to, he'd be talked out of it by his family -- or some SS guy would shoot him.
    Great "checks and balances" the US has.

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    If Trump wins I predict that we're going to see an economic down turn. Homelessness will go up, debt will increase, and businesses will close down for good. Not because of Trump mind you, that's inevitably happening, but because Trump won't do anything to stop it. Trump like Obama has inherited a mess of an economy but none of his policies are going to make a difference. The retail apocalypse has started along with banks declining. If Trump runs for another 4 more years then he'll just give bigger tax breaks to the wealthy while companies are too busy firing employee's to make their stocks look good. At the same time our national debt will soar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    If Trump wins I predict that we're going to see an economic down turn. Homelessness will go up, debt will increase, and businesses will close down for good. Not because of Trump mind you, that's inevitably happening, but because Trump won't do anything to stop it. Trump like Obama has inherited a mess of an economy but none of his policies are going to make a difference. The retail apocalypse has started along with banks declining. If Trump runs for another 4 more years then he'll just give bigger tax breaks to the wealthy while companies are too busy firing employee's to make their stocks look good. At the same time our national debt will soar.
    Some real truth to this in that for a " booming " economy we have had over 5,000 store closures for the year thus far while Amazon has not seen a large uptick in their online retailing which in turn means people just lack the disposable income that is required to make our consumer driven economy churning. I am wondering if Trump will have that moment as Reagan did during his tenure in which he had to address his initial taxation policy's.

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    Read through the series twice, and book 5-8 is a real slog, where you can painfully tell Jordan has too many characters and spend too much time on trivialities. Book actually picked up like crazy once Brandon took over and started offing people in the prologue already imo. Still, so many little details that wrapped stuff up at the end, still one of the best series I’ve ever read. Matt is the best.
    I read up to... I think book 9 or so? like 15 years ago, but then I didn't pick up the next book for ages and eventually it got to the point where I'd have to re-read the whole thing because I forgot too many plot points (and you really need to remember all the callbacks to properly enjoy WoT), and I don't have that kind of time anymore.

    Bit of a shame. I wonder if anyone ever did a really comprehensive catchup series on Youtube...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeezusisacasual View Post
    Some real truth to this in that for a " booming " economy we have had over 5,000 store closures for the year thus far while Amazon has not seen a large uptick in their online retailing which in turn means people just lack the disposable income that is required to make our consumer driven economy churning. I am wondering if Trump will have that moment as Reagan did during his tenure in which he had to address his initial taxation policy's.
    Like I said, Trump didn't cause it but he's not doing anything to stop it. The 2008 recession is still going but it doesn't look bad when people who have a college education ended up in minimum wage jobs. As far as economists on CNN and Fox are concerned a job is a job is a job, and most Americans are employed, so they say. Obama's policies did nothing about increasing the availability of good jobs. Trumps ideas are to lower taxes for the wealthy so they provide more jobs, hopefully good paying jobs. Trumps stand against H-1B visas was a noble cause but ultimately the market adjusted and now there's cloud computing.

    So obviously people don't have money to go out buying stuff, which drives the economy. People don't buy then companies don't make, and therefore shutdown stores. Trump will probably enact more tax breaks for the wealthy to stimulate the economy and it'll fail, hard. Then the government can't balance the budget because their tax revenue has decreased from multiple sources and will have to cut back spending, which just results in less government services. Kinda strange how that'll just feedback into itself.

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    In all seriousness, the bigger question is who becomes the face of the GOP after Trump, whether it's 2020 or 2024. Some of the people who have "abandoned" him (like Coulter) didn't do it because they were disappointed with what he DID, but rather that he hasn't done ENOUGH. He hasn't crossed the line enough for them, and they will double down and absolutely find another demagogue who will be even more extreme.

    Now imagine someone more extreme but also competent. Then you'll really get your Handmaid's Tale happily ever after for the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    In all seriousness, the bigger question is who becomes the face of the GOP after Trump, whether it's 2020 or 2024. Some of the people who have "abandoned" him (like Coulter) didn't do it because they were disappointed with what he DID, but rather that he hasn't done ENOUGH. He hasn't crossed the line enough for them, and they will double down and absolutely find another demagogue who will be even more extreme.

    Now imagine someone more extreme but also competent. Then you'll really get your Handmaid's Tale happily ever after for the right.
    no one. the GoP is dead. The libertarians were burned out after Ron Paul was denied twice, they voted trump to burn the system down. The never trumpsters have jumped ship to the Dems, all the GoP has left is the Evangelicals and they are Dying off in droves. i say by 2030 the GoP as we know it is gone, the Dems have split due to the influx of progressives like AoC and those will be the two parties. Dems and w/e the progressive off shot will call itself. And yes the Democratic party will be the new "right wing" and the progressive will be the "left wing."
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    he will most certainly will scream "fake election" complain again about "illegals voting" with zero proof, the likely scenario he will not direct anything personally but "lone wolf" right wing militant groups will definitely get very violent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    That's pretty mental. I realize Trump is a deranged, habitually lying conspiracy theorist, but even with that in mind, I don't think he'd go that far. If only because he wouldn't be allowed to by the comparatively sane members of our government.
    The GOP is filled with insane people and I have lost count of how many times people have said but Trump wouldn't go that far but then he does. I mean the guy is attacking a dead veteran and the right doesn't bat an eye, it's not like they have any sanity left.

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    We're headed for civil war no matter what happens really. The factions are increasingly incapable of getting along.

    Here's a few graphs to think about:
    https://www.people-press.org/2014/06...erican-public/












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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    We're headed for civil war no matter what happens really. The factions are increasingly incapable of getting along.
    Oh no, however shall we win a fight against people armed with mobility scooters and confederate flag bumper stickers.
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    You also will note that those graphs are from 2014. That's important because it helps show that Trump is not the source of this. The split was already in full force well before he started his campaign. Trump just looked at the lay of the land and crafted the correct campaign strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    You also will note that those graphs are from 2014. That's important because it helps show that Trump is not the source of this. The split was already in full force well before he started his campaign. Trump just looked at the lay of the land and crafted the correct campaign strategy.
    That is a good observation. Personally, I felt Obama did a lot to divide the country. But Bush was not that well liked ether toward the end of his second term. But I do not think there is going to be a 1860's level civil war. A civil war of division is already in progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    That is a good observation. Personally, I felt Obama did a lot to divide the country. But Bush was not that well liked ether toward the end of his second term. But I do not think there is going to be a 1860's level civil war. A civil war of division is already in progress.
    I personally don't think it was Obama that was dividing us. It was the media forcing everything that involved a black person into some national tragedy to the point they basically forced him to make a statement. That was the source of much of the divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    There are some liberals, conservatives and Trump supporters that can get along... though I think the general population is pretty much getting up in arms, predictably.
    I think life is still way to good for the avg american to war each other yet...but huge increase in civil unrest? yeah that's going to happen here soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Agreed, I do not think it will be a "hot" war, unless things like power/food/economy has a major issue. However, I think there will be, as you note, civil unrest, or what is being called a "cold" civil war by a few people, in a few different places... most recently here:

    America’s Cold Civil War
    https://www.heritage.org/conservatis...cold-civil-war

    Bernstein: US in a 'cold civil war' Trump may ignite
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ot-cpt-vpx.cnn

    ...Different perspectives on the same issue.
    Yeah that's a good way to look at it.
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    Personally 2020
    Trump loses the 3 Blue Wall States and NC. Democratic Victory 304-233.
    Split Senate at 50/50 (Technical D control)
    House Large Democrat Majority

    Major Event Changer: Nasty Recession in 2020...Trump takes no action to mitigate which causes his downfall...

    Democrats hold all three branches but the senate is kept in check because of the 50/50 and conservative D will prevent any "extreme" issues being brought up even as show votes which could come from the house. Democrats also get to replace Ginsburg's seat. If Ginsburg is replaced by Trump there will be political capital to remove that justice due to the "Biden Rule" but that is my nightmare scenario and I don't think will happen in 2020.

    Trump simply loses these states because of his tariffs/destruction of the farming industry will effect those 60k who barely pushed him over the line. While the NC thing is 50/50 I think with recent gerrymandering issues and ongoing issues at the state level I feel like there will be strong down ballot there and will barely push NC back blue. More importantly I think there will be a nasty recession during this time that destroys his economic message so its all about immigration which the nation has no appetite during this period.

    Trump will not do anything stupid like declare himself dictator or other doomsday shenanigans people can think up. All he will act like leading up to the day is a spoiled child who got his toys taken away over twitter like election was rigged, ect. Democrats promise to "fix" anything he "broke" the past two years in regards to administration (ie federal agencies) so there will be a big push for hiring and fixing the government (which alone could be 4 years). On his way out the door Trump will try to blanket pardon basically all of his actions and all those who "fell on the sword" for him. Not on Inauguration day (not to overshadow the next president) but a few days later NY state will jump on Trump for state crimes and will try to make an example out of him. Trump will never go to jail but the damage is done and his company will be tarnished (I personally think the Trump Brand is defunct by 2030).

    While Republicans will point out how Democrats are attacking their "political opponents" with NY going after Trump Administration they will try to barely use his name thus beginning the "Great Recon". The Republicans will pretend that Trump ever existed and by 2025 you will wonder how Trump got elected because nobody will admit voting for him. The 2020 Congress, more important Senate, becomes an uneasy truce of cleaning up the Trump mess that he caused at the federal bureaucracy and working together to get us out of the 2020 recession and the approaching China cold war that Trump allowed to go unchecked during the current era. Both Sides extreme will cry for change but find out that the congress is more on Military modernization/rebuilding government functions and economic recession politics. All this does is further enrage the extremist on both sides.

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    if you listen to the Trumpies, it's going to be #Ivanka2024

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    If Trump wins then more socialism for the wealthy. If Bernie Sanders wins then socialism for the people. I bet this will sit well with people here.


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