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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantique View Post
    Read through the series twice, and book 5-8 is a real slog, where you can painfully tell Jordan has too many characters and spend too much time on trivialities. Book actually picked up like crazy once Brandon took over and started offing people in the prologue already imo. Still, so many little details that wrapped stuff up at the end, still one of the best series I’ve ever read. Matt is the best.
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    That's pretty mental. I realize Trump is a deranged, habitually lying conspiracy theorist, but even with that in mind, I don't think he'd go that far. If only because he wouldn't be allowed to by the comparatively sane members of our government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Yeah, no.

    Trump might act as a wannabe-dictator, but he won't do this. Even if he wanted to, he'd be talked out of it by his family -- or some SS guy would shoot him.
    Great "checks and balances" the US has.

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    If Trump wins I predict that we're going to see an economic down turn. Homelessness will go up, debt will increase, and businesses will close down for good. Not because of Trump mind you, that's inevitably happening, but because Trump won't do anything to stop it. Trump like Obama has inherited a mess of an economy but none of his policies are going to make a difference. The retail apocalypse has started along with banks declining. If Trump runs for another 4 more years then he'll just give bigger tax breaks to the wealthy while companies are too busy firing employee's to make their stocks look good. At the same time our national debt will soar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    If Trump wins I predict that we're going to see an economic down turn. Homelessness will go up, debt will increase, and businesses will close down for good. Not because of Trump mind you, that's inevitably happening, but because Trump won't do anything to stop it. Trump like Obama has inherited a mess of an economy but none of his policies are going to make a difference. The retail apocalypse has started along with banks declining. If Trump runs for another 4 more years then he'll just give bigger tax breaks to the wealthy while companies are too busy firing employee's to make their stocks look good. At the same time our national debt will soar.
    Some real truth to this in that for a " booming " economy we have had over 5,000 store closures for the year thus far while Amazon has not seen a large uptick in their online retailing which in turn means people just lack the disposable income that is required to make our consumer driven economy churning. I am wondering if Trump will have that moment as Reagan did during his tenure in which he had to address his initial taxation policy's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantique View Post
    Read through the series twice, and book 5-8 is a real slog, where you can painfully tell Jordan has too many characters and spend too much time on trivialities. Book actually picked up like crazy once Brandon took over and started offing people in the prologue already imo. Still, so many little details that wrapped stuff up at the end, still one of the best series I’ve ever read. Matt is the best.
    I read up to... I think book 9 or so? like 15 years ago, but then I didn't pick up the next book for ages and eventually it got to the point where I'd have to re-read the whole thing because I forgot too many plot points (and you really need to remember all the callbacks to properly enjoy WoT), and I don't have that kind of time anymore.

    Bit of a shame. I wonder if anyone ever did a really comprehensive catchup series on Youtube...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeezusisacasual View Post
    Some real truth to this in that for a " booming " economy we have had over 5,000 store closures for the year thus far while Amazon has not seen a large uptick in their online retailing which in turn means people just lack the disposable income that is required to make our consumer driven economy churning. I am wondering if Trump will have that moment as Reagan did during his tenure in which he had to address his initial taxation policy's.
    Like I said, Trump didn't cause it but he's not doing anything to stop it. The 2008 recession is still going but it doesn't look bad when people who have a college education ended up in minimum wage jobs. As far as economists on CNN and Fox are concerned a job is a job is a job, and most Americans are employed, so they say. Obama's policies did nothing about increasing the availability of good jobs. Trumps ideas are to lower taxes for the wealthy so they provide more jobs, hopefully good paying jobs. Trumps stand against H-1B visas was a noble cause but ultimately the market adjusted and now there's cloud computing.

    So obviously people don't have money to go out buying stuff, which drives the economy. People don't buy then companies don't make, and therefore shutdown stores. Trump will probably enact more tax breaks for the wealthy to stimulate the economy and it'll fail, hard. Then the government can't balance the budget because their tax revenue has decreased from multiple sources and will have to cut back spending, which just results in less government services. Kinda strange how that'll just feedback into itself.

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    In all seriousness, the bigger question is who becomes the face of the GOP after Trump, whether it's 2020 or 2024. Some of the people who have "abandoned" him (like Coulter) didn't do it because they were disappointed with what he DID, but rather that he hasn't done ENOUGH. He hasn't crossed the line enough for them, and they will double down and absolutely find another demagogue who will be even more extreme.

    Now imagine someone more extreme but also competent. Then you'll really get your Handmaid's Tale happily ever after for the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    In all seriousness, the bigger question is who becomes the face of the GOP after Trump, whether it's 2020 or 2024. Some of the people who have "abandoned" him (like Coulter) didn't do it because they were disappointed with what he DID, but rather that he hasn't done ENOUGH. He hasn't crossed the line enough for them, and they will double down and absolutely find another demagogue who will be even more extreme.

    Now imagine someone more extreme but also competent. Then you'll really get your Handmaid's Tale happily ever after for the right.
    no one. the GoP is dead. The libertarians were burned out after Ron Paul was denied twice, they voted trump to burn the system down. The never trumpsters have jumped ship to the Dems, all the GoP has left is the Evangelicals and they are Dying off in droves. i say by 2030 the GoP as we know it is gone, the Dems have split due to the influx of progressives like AoC and those will be the two parties. Dems and w/e the progressive off shot will call itself. And yes the Democratic party will be the new "right wing" and the progressive will be the "left wing."
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    he will most certainly will scream "fake election" complain again about "illegals voting" with zero proof, the likely scenario he will not direct anything personally but "lone wolf" right wing militant groups will definitely get very violent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    That's pretty mental. I realize Trump is a deranged, habitually lying conspiracy theorist, but even with that in mind, I don't think he'd go that far. If only because he wouldn't be allowed to by the comparatively sane members of our government.
    The GOP is filled with insane people and I have lost count of how many times people have said but Trump wouldn't go that far but then he does. I mean the guy is attacking a dead veteran and the right doesn't bat an eye, it's not like they have any sanity left.

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    We're headed for civil war no matter what happens really. The factions are increasingly incapable of getting along.

    Here's a few graphs to think about:
    https://www.people-press.org/2014/06...erican-public/











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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    We're headed for civil war no matter what happens really. The factions are increasingly incapable of getting along.
    Oh no, however shall we win a fight against people armed with mobility scooters and confederate flag bumper stickers.

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    You also will note that those graphs are from 2014. That's important because it helps show that Trump is not the source of this. The split was already in full force well before he started his campaign. Trump just looked at the lay of the land and crafted the correct campaign strategy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    We're headed for civil war no matter what happens really. The factions are increasingly incapable of getting along.
    There are some liberals, conservatives and Trump supporters that can get along... though I think the general population is pretty much getting up in arms, predictably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    You also will note that those graphs are from 2014. That's important because it helps show that Trump is not the source of this. The split was already in full force well before he started his campaign. Trump just looked at the lay of the land and crafted the correct campaign strategy.
    That is a good observation. Personally, I felt Obama did a lot to divide the country. But Bush was not that well liked ether toward the end of his second term. But I do not think there is going to be a 1860's level civil war. A civil war of division is already in progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    That is a good observation. Personally, I felt Obama did a lot to divide the country. But Bush was not that well liked ether toward the end of his second term. But I do not think there is going to be a 1860's level civil war. A civil war of division is already in progress.
    I personally don't think it was Obama that was dividing us. It was the media forcing everything that involved a black person into some national tragedy to the point they basically forced him to make a statement. That was the source of much of the divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    There are some liberals, conservatives and Trump supporters that can get along... though I think the general population is pretty much getting up in arms, predictably.
    I think life is still way to good for the avg american to war each other yet...but huge increase in civil unrest? yeah that's going to happen here soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    I think life is still way to good for the avg american to war each other yet...but huge increase in civil unrest? yeah that's going to happen here soon.
    Agreed, I do not think it will be a "hot" war, unless things like power/food/economy has a major issue. However, I think there will be, as you note, civil unrest, or what is being called a "cold" civil war by a few people, in a few different places... most recently here:

    America’s Cold Civil War
    https://www.heritage.org/conservatis...cold-civil-war

    Bernstein: US in a 'cold civil war' Trump may ignite
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ot-cpt-vpx.cnn

    ...Different perspectives on the same issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Agreed, I do not think it will be a "hot" war, unless things like power/food/economy has a major issue. However, I think there will be, as you note, civil unrest, or what is being called a "cold" civil war by a few people, in a few different places... most recently here:

    America’s Cold Civil War
    https://www.heritage.org/conservatis...cold-civil-war

    Bernstein: US in a 'cold civil war' Trump may ignite
    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ot-cpt-vpx.cnn

    ...Different perspectives on the same issue.
    Yeah that's a good way to look at it.
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