View Poll Results: Who is the dumbest faction leader?

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  • Anduin

    112 60.22%
  • Sylvanas

    74 39.78%
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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by eurojust View Post
    You don't understand : Her vengeance was to torture Arthas. Not to kill him : the same way Arthas denied her death. That was useless from her perspective. Look at the wc3 cutscene.


    Explains it much better, really.

  2. #42
    Anduin. Literally could end the war at any moment but prefers to let the Horde recover.

  3. #43
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    I love Sylvannas more than Anduin, but I can't pretend she is smarter. She Smart but she does some very dumb things, and I don't mean burning a damn Elf Tree
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  4. #44
    Neither seems great at foresight. So far I'd say Anduin is doing better. Despite Sylvanas' schemes, in the end this war is about who remains standing at the end.

    Sylvanas may have bigger schemes. But Anduin's the one that's largely managed to keep his people together. That is inspiring hundreds of soldiers to voluntarily die in Nazmir just for a distraction for a chance at a small victory. Meanwhile Sylvanas is lucky that Baine's resistance was so poorly organized and didn't draw in any other racial leader, or she would already have full scale rebellion on her hands.

    Sylvanas definitely has more plans this war. But that doesn't make them good plans. Having more plans makes her seem like the cunning one. Her words make her seem like the cunning one. But we are only assuming she actually has good future plans. Some large scheme she is aiming for. We have no evidence for that however. We know she just wants to raise Stormwind as undead and that all she has accomplished is losing Undercity, burning Darnassus, and making the Horde hate her. Doesn't sound like a smart scheme.
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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by TheImperios View Post
    The hysterical edgelord Sylvanas or the all-loving brony Anduin?
    Lol'd.

    Anduin gets my vote. Dumb as a cucumber. 96% water, 4% brain.
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Lol'd.

    Anduin gets my vote. Dumb as a cucumber. 96% water, 4% brain.
    The average human brain is 78% water.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    Being smart and being dumb but one IQ point smarter then everybody else is different. As many pointed out - approaching UC without gasmasks is the top of the stupidity ladder, and all was made for a dramatic moment with plague bombs.
    To my understanding, plague bombs work only to affected area. You can always escape it, hence no need for gasmask.
    UC was completely destroyed, it wasn't only gassed down to oblivion. I mean, buildings started to collapse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dellis0991 View Post
    She is intelligent, but oh boy do her plans blow up more than a hi point pistol.
    Okay but I don't think intelligence is "I have a perfect plan and perfect plan means EVERYTHING WILL GO AS I PLAN". No, even if you have so called "perfect plan" you need to account for variables and potential threats. That being said, destruction of Undericity (for example) is probably a last resort but still a well played one because enemy does not posses it.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    To my understanding, plague bombs work only to affected area. You can always escape it, hence no need for gasmask.
    UC was completely destroyed, it wasn't only gassed down to oblivion. I mean, buildings started to collapse.



    Okay but I don't think intelligence is "I have a perfect plan and perfect plan means EVERYTHING WILL GO AS I PLAN". No, even if you have so called "perfect plan" you need to account for variables and potential threats. That being said, destruction of Undericity (for example) is probably a last resort but still a well played one because enemy does not posses it.
    Gas mask will always beat running away.

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    Anduin by far.

    Sylvanas is a clever girl.

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    As an alliance main, I vote Anduin.
    Sylvanas is unbearable garbage, but at least she's fully committed to victory. Anduin and his "we must atop here or we will become like them" bullshit can go sink in the Veiled Sea.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pebbleton View Post
    As an alliance main, I vote Anduin.
    Sylvanas is unbearable garbage, but at least she's fully committed to victory. Anduin and his "we must atop here or we will become like them" bullshit can go sink in the Veiled Sea.
    Being naive is not the same with being stupid.
    Sylvanas trusting Saurfang to kill Malfurion, that is stupid.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by TheImperios View Post
    Let's be real; neither Sylvanas nor Anduin are particularily intelligent. But which faction leader is the least intelligent? The hysterical edgelord Sylvanas or the all-loving brony Anduin?
    how are neither particularly intelligent? I mean in terms of cunning and military knowledge then Sylvanas has it all over Anduin. but Anduin is also wise enough to know his limits and listen to those close to him like Jaina, Greymane etc whereas Sylvanas is kinda isolating herself from the rest of the leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Being naive is not the same with being stupid.
    Sylvanas trusting Saurfang to kill Malfurion, that is stupid.
    Was it stupid at the time though? I mean, did Saurfang already express disgust/disapproval for Sylvanas' actions before Teldrassil actually burned?

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pebbleton View Post
    Was it stupid at the time though? I mean, did Saurfang already express disgust/disapproval for Sylvanas' actions before Teldrassil actually burned?
    She still held doubt. It felt like she was not 100% sure at least. This was likely her only chance to get Malfurion down and she blew it by trusting Saurfang.

  15. #55
    How is this a poll? One leader basically walks into traps and struggles with their emotions while the other actually doles out punishments for disobeying direct orders

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pebbleton View Post
    Was it stupid at the time though? I mean, did Saurfang already express disgust/disapproval for Sylvanas' actions before Teldrassil actually burned?
    nope. He even planned the use of assassins to take out key defensive positions through Ashenvale and orchestrated the flanking maneuver to basically hand all over Darkshore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    She still held doubt. It felt like she was not 100% sure at least. This was likely her only chance to get Malfurion down and she blew it by trusting Saurfang.
    IIRC, Saurfang made his doubts manifest shortly after attacking Malfurion. Even if she really had any doubts about him, she would have no ground to base them off yet. I don't think she was stupid to believe him; if anything, she should have stayed to see him execute Malfurion, but that could be just ascribed to carelessness.

  17. #57
    Both aren't the smartest cookie in the jar, but then again most wow characters are downright retarded from time to time. Though I must say attacking undercity without any countermeasure to the blight has to take the cake here.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    How is this a poll? One leader basically walks into traps and struggles with their emotions while the other actually doles out punishments for disobeying direct orders
    What does punishing those that disobey orders have to do with walking into traps and struggling with emotions? Both are idiots, but at least Anduin has the excuse of being what, 18 years old? And at least he didn't killed himself because of his emotions.
    Last edited by ausoin; 2019-04-05 at 01:52 PM.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by ausoin View Post
    What does punishing those that disobey orders have to do with walking into traps and struggling with emotions? Both are idiots, but at least Anduin has the excuse of being what, 18 years old? And at least he didn't killed himself because of his emotions.
    i don't know how intelligent you think it is to interact with someone who willfully disregarded your orders, commandeered an entire army and waged a war under your banner and attack a sovereign nation you're under a treaty with... by promoting them to the position immediately beneath you own as a "punishment".

    And then go meet with the target of said attack and honestly act like nothing ever happened and that you can try to maintain 'peaceful' ties despite said attack... I mean if we're talking about Sylvanas that is textbook her post evil action (minus the blatant and deliberate honesty part).


    Oh and then the pushing for an extremely volatile meeting where both parties have extreme reserves towards one another and allowing an even more volatile party take part because it felt right... and inadvertently allow said volatile third party turn "peaceful" meeting into something it really wasn't...

    Being young isn't an excuse when you're the leader of the whole fucking faction. Should have grown something else instead of malice detecting bones when he got crushed, like some common sense.

    edit:

    how you get advisers who singularly have more knowledge of tactics and relations than his entire nation's hierarchy combined and still fall back on his own short years of experience when trying to move forward. Discuss tactics with the general who has seen conflict over teh course of 15k years? Naw... discuss parlay with the 50k+ year old prophet? seems to not happen.

    Seek council with the old man who stole your army for revenge purpsoes? GOOD IDEA!

    first off, insubordination is supposed to get a punishment not a promotion. hard fact basics.
    Last edited by mickybrighteyes; 2019-04-05 at 02:06 PM.

  20. #60
    Blizzard story telling makes them both super smart when they need to be and super dumb when they can't win or need to fall for something stupid.

    That said, as a character Sylvanas would be the "smarter" one for me simply because she has the experience in both life and leadership as she did earn her place as the Ranger-General of Silvermoon and has lived a pretty long life.

    Anduin, may be intelligent, but hasn't lived as long and has almost no experience as a leader he still has yet to make all the mistakes Sylvanas has through his learning experience.

    I can't fault either one of them as a character as far as good, bad, smart or dumb decisions because that shit is all obviously forced by Blizzard writers.

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