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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellrod View Post
    What are you on about mate? If anyone talks about how better a rival game is than their own they'd get chewed the fuck out. They don't pay Ion to talk about other games. It's the same reason why you see so much tiptoeing and nervous sweating whenever hosts or speakers at E3 mention a similar game during their presentation.
    Nope. Lot of other devs have admitted that there are great games in the genre. And please E3 is just mostly a Sony v Nintendo v Microsoft war these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saverem View Post
    That's because their profits aren't failing. Yes, there are less people playing than in WotLK, but in Wrath they didn't have a cash shop. They are making bank just from the race changing services alone with the release of allied races. The monthly sub don't really mean anything when they are making 100X that from the cash shop.

    It literally costs the price of a AAA game just to buy a 110.
    Yep and that's actually sad.

    £49 is more than Resident Evil 2 or Devil May Cry 5.

    Sorry but 109 levels of this game are not worth that. But Blizzard know people are buying those or race changes for the Allied Races which in itself is a cash grab system.
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  2. #382
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    BFA had the worst launch of any of the expansions, there's no question about that. The bugs were insane and the rep grind is the most boring it has ever been (forced to world quest).

    We're getting flying in Nazj though and we didn't have that in Argus. They obviously have turned a corner in terms of unrelenting fun dampening. For a while it seemed like everything they were doing was fun dampening so you could have more fun later without too upfront an investment on anything (they're afraid to make upfront investments now because of the azerite trait beta debacle and the upfront disappointment of losing legendaries, which anyone with their head not up themselves could see coming).

    Not being able to change your gear in M+ was also a bad design choice. They're basically saying to the playerbase, "yeah, don't get too creative.. ESPORTS". And they keep saying that over and over again in different ways with their actions (prune abilities, normalize secondaries to the point of trivialization, PVP abilities, etc.)

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    BFA had the worst launch of any of the expansions, there's no question about that. The bugs were insane and the rep grind is the most boring it has ever been (forced to world quest).

    We're getting flying in Nazj though and we didn't have that in Argus. They obviously have turned a corner in terms of unrelenting fun dampening. For a while it seemed like everything they were doing was fun dampening so you could have more fun later without too upfront an investment on anything (they're afraid to make upfront investments now because of the azerite trait beta debacle and the upfront disappointment of losing legendaries, which anyone with their head not up themselves could see coming).

    Not being able to change your gear in M+ was also a bad design choice. They're basically saying to the playerbase, "yeah, don't get too creative.. ESPORTS". And they keep saying that over and over again in different ways with their actions (prune abilities, normalize secondaries to the point of trivialization, PVP abilities, etc.)
    Argus was 7.3, the equivalent of Nazj was Broken shore and we could fly there, I bet there will be no flying in 8.3's zone.

    (And by equivalent I don't mean size or content, just release time)

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    The 60% may be total loss from the years overall, not just last year. It's been awhile since i read up on it since i sold my ATVI shares.

    That said, my feeling about wow classic outpopulating it is just based on forums, talk in game, talk out of game, and a gut feeling. I've got no cold hard metrics to back it up, other than me saying wait and see.

    Some will eye roll, some will agree, some will call me crazy, but i'd bank on classic out populating BFA no problem. The expansion post BFA though, i doubt it as they will come out swinging to win back lost fans over the last few expacs. I hope so at least, it isn't like i want WoW to fail i adore the series and want whats best always for them and hope the expac after BFA is the best ever. fingers crossed
    At least you're honest. I think you're crazy for predicting that Classic will have a total population higher than Live, but as you said, we'll see.

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    At least you're honest. I think you're crazy for predicting that Classic will have a total population higher than Live, but as you said, we'll see.
    It may push pretty high at launch, but it'll drop drastically once the nostalgia wears off, vanilla was only good for the time, it's not a very good version of the game.

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    BFA had the worst launch of any of the expansions, there's no question about that. The bugs were insane and the rep grind is the most boring it has ever been (forced to world quest).

    We're getting flying in Nazj though and we didn't have that in Argus. They obviously have turned a corner in terms of unrelenting fun dampening. For a while it seemed like everything they were doing was fun dampening so you could have more fun later without too upfront an investment on anything (they're afraid to make upfront investments now because of the azerite trait beta debacle and the upfront disappointment of losing legendaries, which anyone with their head not up themselves could see coming).

    Not being able to change your gear in M+ was also a bad design choice. They're basically saying to the playerbase, "yeah, don't get too creative.. ESPORTS". And they keep saying that over and over again in different ways with their actions (prune abilities, normalize secondaries to the point of trivialization, PVP abilities, etc.)
    I....wow you are really stupid. BC, wrath, cata, mists all had worse launches by a long shot. The bugs were WAY worse on launch day than they were for bfa, and 90-95% of the gaming population would prefer world quest to what you had to do for old rep. Grind mobs for 5 rep a piece? Fuck. That. Shit.

    Then you try and compare argus to the 7.2 zones when....wait for it....those are not the end game zones. NO end game zone has ever had flying accessable in the final zone. Not bc, not mists, NO ONE. If you had wanted to make the correct comparison, we both know that you should have used the annoying island below dal to compare to the 7.2 zones, but if you did that you wouldnt be able to shriek and whine about flying. At least try not to lie so obviously when you "argue" your point

  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    The 60% may be total loss from the years overall, not just last year. It's been awhile since i read up on it since i sold my ATVI shares.

    That said, my feeling about wow classic outpopulating it is just based on forums, talk in game, talk out of game, and a gut feeling. I've got no cold hard metrics to back it up, other than me saying wait and see.

    Some will eye roll, some will agree, some will call me crazy, but i'd bank on classic out populating BFA no problem. The expansion post BFA though, i doubt it as they will come out swinging to win back lost fans over the last few expacs. I hope so at least, it isn't like i want WoW to fail i adore the series and want whats best always for them and hope the expac after BFA is the best ever. fingers crossed
    I mean, we are on easily the biggest wow forum (outside of the official forums) in existence, and even here, the Classic subforum gets about 5-20% of the traffic the regular wow discussion forum does, without even including all the other subforums about the modern game (classes, pvp, raiding, lore etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    (And by equivalent I don't mean size or content, just release time)
    I'm not trying to be pessimistic about 8.3, I'm just trying to draw parallels. In Legion they also got a new dungeon in 7.1. We're getting ours in 8.2 along with flying. It's gonna be different in terms of relevance in my opinion.

  9. #389
    Doesn’t 8.2 inlucde a dungeon , a raid , and Two new zones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorbalt View Post
    I....wow you are really stupid. BC, wrath, cata, mists all had worse launches by a long shot. The bugs were WAY worse on launch day than they were for bfa, and 90-95% of the gaming population would prefer world quest to what you had to do for old rep. Grind mobs for 5 rep a piece? Fuck. That. Shit.

    Then you try and compare argus to the 7.2 zones when....wait for it....those are not the end game zones. NO end game zone has ever had flying accessable in the final zone. Not bc, not mists, NO ONE. If you had wanted to make the correct comparison, we both know that you should have used the annoying island below dal to compare to the 7.2 zones, but if you did that you wouldnt be able to shriek and whine about flying. At least try not to lie so obviously when you "argue" your point
    How does forgetting stuff from over 7 years ago make me stupid? Do I sit and recollect everything everyday? No. I can't remember the bugs from every launch and also the rep grinds weren't as bad, so that means BFA worse because bugs + bad, they were compounded, I don't think your rage can allow you to comprehend that formula though.

    It isn't a 1 for 1 comparison. I'm more comparing the first dungeon releases. I literally said one sentence about flying, just using it as a nice treat we're getting along with the dungeon, I don't understand how that's shrieking, whining and lying and "arguing". Who am I even arguing against and what are you talking about??

    If you wanna pick an online fight about nothing, why not just go to Youtube comment section?

  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    How does forgetting stuff from over 7 years ago make me stupid?
    It's not your memory that made that post bad, it was that you stated your memory as undeniable fact, and then when on to make some false equivalencies. Maybe throw in a caveat next time such as saying that is how you remember it?

  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    How does forgetting stuff from over 7 years ago make me stupid? Do I sit and recollect everything everyday? No. I can't remember the bugs from every launch and also the rep grinds weren't as bad, so that means BFA worse because bugs + bad, they were compounded, I don't think your rage can allow you to comprehend that formula though.

    It isn't a 1 for 1 comparison. I'm more comparing the first dungeon releases. I literally said one sentence about flying, just using it as a nice treat we're getting along with the dungeon, I don't understand how that's shrieking, whining and lying and "arguing". Who am I even arguing against and what are you talking about??

    If you wanna pick an online fight about nothing, why not just go to Youtube comment section?
    I mean, why would you say something dumb like "BFA had the worst launch of any of the expansions, there's no question about that." if you can't even remember previous launches? Also why are you acting like remembering a basic event is some extremely tiring and involved process you have to do daily?

  13. #393
    WoD start was atrocious. Lots of bugged quests in the starting area, especially in the highest populated realms. Friends had to realm transfer to even play the game. Compared to that, BfFa launch has been pretty smooth.

    Oh, remember the WoD opening? With the dark portal? The atrocious lag? It was so bad Blizz offered 5 days worth of extra time to every active subscription.
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  14. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by Brewshine View Post
    Doesn’t 8.2 inlucde a dungeon , a raid , and Two new zones?
    i bet you that 8.2 includes only new zones , naga invasions giving catch up 400 itlv gear and long 8-10 weeks time gated questline at the end of which you will unlock both flying and dungeon .

    new raid will come in 8.2.5

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharby View Post
    What is with this obsession with wanting the WoW devs to grovel for forgiveness?
    It's all facets of life.

    In work, politics, gaming etc. People just like being right, and want people to be wrong - they don't want the problem to actually be solved.

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntaer View Post
    No company will say their product is a fail.
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  17. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by Laerrus View Post
    LOL, they aren't going to ever do that.

    This is like corporate at McDonalds telling customers that they have a shit quality hamburger. They would soon lose their market share to other hamburger chains.

    Always promote your product as the best even though you know that there are better products out there.
    Agreed, well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icechaosss View Post
    It's all facets of life.

    In work, politics, gaming etc. People just like being right, and want people to be wrong - they don't want the problem to actually be solved.
    I would say they DO want the problem to be solved, but they want much much MUCH more for the "wrong" party to admit they're "wrong".

  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It may push pretty high at launch, but it'll drop drastically once the nostalgia wears off, vanilla was only good for the time, it's not a very good version of the game.
    My sentiments exactly. I just don't think the max population during that time frame will come close to the Live server population.

  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I mean, we are on easily the biggest wow forum (outside of the official forums) in existence, and even here, the Classic subforum gets about 5-20% of the traffic the regular wow discussion forum does, without even including all the other subforums about the modern game (classes, pvp, raiding, lore etc.)
    That is partly because one game is released and in full force and the other is an upcoming re-release. The traffic will increase significantly on launch. Also, there is not a lot to talk about, at least for old timers, most of the stuff is known and since Blizz plans to launch as close to classic as possible I have no reason to go there. And I will play Classic a lot.
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  20. #400
    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    My sentiments exactly. I just don't think the max population during that time frame will come close to the Live server population.
    Bethesda released Morrowind for free for the Elder Scrolls anniversary, so I downloaded it and fired it up. It was disgusting. A few hours later after mods I tried again, and there's enough nostalgia to be pretty damn cool, but it also has a nice fresh coat of paint to make it enjoyable. Vanilla won't have that fresh coat of paint, and I can't imagine more than a few diehards getting much enjoyment out of it for the amount of time investment needed.

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