Blizzard is not acting like BFA is failing

[tripleh]

They might be avoiding acknowledging it because Activision is watching. It would mean more layoffs and replacing those in charge. With the next patch there gonna try to reassure the executives and shareholders that things will be fine if the subs increase. But then we are doomed to repeat the same drama over again with the next expansion. We will be back to square one. Devs ignoring players and beta feedback to push there own agenda. Only to a later date in which the devs start to change things to keep there jobs. If Activision pays attention to the forums, they really should work on getting the wotlk dev team back in control. The current dev including narrative team have failed.

[dope_danny]

One word answer: Shareholders.

[Lurker1]

Is it just me or is Blizzard just acting like everything is fine?

Outside of Classic forum communication is non existent, only info we have is directly from Ion with vague promises, 8.2 PTR is not up for a MAJORRRR game changing patch, Lore has been dead silent except insulting people on the forums, devs have been afraid to communicate bugs when reported/confirm them.

The list just keeps going. Every single thing I see Ion listing out was reported far prior to BFA even launching but how many had to quit and get fired before he decided to put his hubris aside and admit something is broken?

Nowhere in his interviews is he addressing the casino that is BFA right now and if anything has embraced it even further in dev Q&A's which are few and far between. Where in the hell are the class devs? People are beyond pissed right now about class design and the pruning but there is nothing. Who in the hell looks at prot warriors in MDI right now and does not thing that is just broken and crowding out other tanks that need buffs?

Guilds have been turned into glorified raid log communities as people are just disillusioned at what is going on right now. Where is the 8.2 hype on the PTR? Atleast then you could get people motivated to stay with the game and not just give up.

Because it is i know shocking!

[Heladys]

What are you hoping for, them literally shitting their pants on camera?

Of course they're going to put a brave face on things, but they absolutely have spent plenty of time taking it squarely to the face for the issues, and they've been quite open about it and their responses.

[Protean]

Because there's nothing gained from satisfying the whiny crybabies that just want to watch Blizzard fail for the sake of being right.

They teach this in most management classes: Acknowledge the lessons learned, don't focus on the negatives but instead on positives.

[Revamp Man]

They know they can't salvage BFA. BFA's Core Mechanics are fucked and NOTHING can change that. If I were them I would have cancelled 8.2 and 8.3 and moved the Devs to Classic and a new Expansion.

No
Noooooo
Noooooooooooo

Do you want WoD??
Because if you leave the expansion alone that is how you get WoD

[RoKPaNda]

Yet when people ask them they constantly go back to these god awful NICHE cases from Classic or TBC to justify these dramatic changes. They fail to mention that sub went up in a straight line during those phases of the game.

Also Ion was not even working at Blizzard during that time period. This authority they use when speaking of Vanilla/TBC is so condescending to people who played at that point who just look at these guys as idiots. They constantly complain that players chew through their content but that is because it is not gated via in game methods that can be unlocked.

Why is flying time gated vs achievement gated? Once I get the achievement I need to wait for our lord and master Ion to press the button. It gives people literally nothing to work for in game when you tell me the game is incomplete and in a beta phase until 8.2

Well guess what 8.2 better be the greatest patch in WoW's history the way they have acted right now. It better damn near be another expansions worth of content at this point because they act like 8.2 will make people forget about this current RNG fest.

Again, as per the latest earnings call, BFA met or exceeded all of their expectations, so for them that's a win.

Secondly, your argument about the sub numbers going straight up back in the day isn't really helpful. You aren't going to find a single game this old that has a community the size that it did when it was new and fresh.

A lot of players have a really difficult time seeing outside of their own bubble, and thankfully Ion isn't one of those. He's a hardcore raider, but he knows that most people are not and he designs the game for those players as well as the hardcore raiders. For me, as a raider, Vanilla and BC were pretty great, WLK/Cata/MoP/WoD/etc were all great. Vanilla and BC sucked horsecock for the casuals though. That's why they give those "niche cases" that you talk about. The average player experience is nothing at all like my experience, we might as well be playing two completely separate games.

It's why I laugh when people suggest going back to valor. As a raider Valor was completely useless to me at pretty much every point it was implemented except as an ilevel upgrade system which was horrendous because it was mandatory for players like me. For the casuals it sucked balls.

Believe it or not there are other types of players who play this game than players like us - just the fact that you've set foot into Mythic, let alone that you've killed 3 bosses, puts you waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of the curve. Welcome to the top ~5%. We're not going anywhere, there's nothing with PvE like this game. The other player types however WILL leave if they're not having fun. The game has to be designed with them in mind and not just us dinosaurs.

[RobertMugabe]

Is it just me or is Blizzard just acting like everything is fine?

They're talking about mistakes all the time. You can't read or what?

[kamuimac]

So we aren't allowed to compare and contrast and say one game might do something better than the other? I get this is the WoW sub forum but come on. WoW is not the only MMO out there and it does have games to be compared to just like any other. Nobody is "drumbeating" or "advertising" other games either dude.

Nobody is telling people to go play those games either. It's just a simple comparison. Not even game vs game.

Someone brought up how another game managed it's issues with player trust. We compared those to WoWs. What you quoted me on goes back to page 1.

but you arent comparing anything.

for past week you have been spaming in 90% of your posts "FF is amazing WoW is shit"

you dont even try to post arguments at this point -_-

[mcastillo88]

What is with this obsession with wanting the WoW devs to grovel for forgiveness?

To be honest, I don't know. It's like people forget that they choose to pay for this game, and continued to pay. I stopped enjoying it, so I stopped playing. Nothing prompts major changes like a loss in revenue.

It's their job to defend their product. It's your job to say "that's not good enough" and stop giving them money.

[Benedictu]

The main problem with BFA? It's boring. Regardless of devs, ambition or lack thereof, failed promises, broken systems... at the end of the day, BFA is just plain boring.

Time-gated rep grinds for reskinned classes? Boring.
Warfronts? Boring.
Island Expeditions? Boring.
Grinding AP? Boring.
PVP? What PVP? Wintergrasp? Boring.

There's no challenge, no incentive to group with people, and all systems are just a boring, repetitive grind.

[kamuimac]

Again, as per the latest earnings call, BFA met or exceeded all of their expectations, so for them that's a win.

Secondly, your argument about the sub numbers going straight up back in the day isn't really helpful. You aren't going to find a single game this old that has a community the size that it did when it was new and fresh.

A lot of players have a really difficult time seeing outside of their own bubble, and thankfully Ion isn't one of those. He's a hardcore raider, but he knows that most people are not and he designs the game for those players as well as the hardcore raiders. For me, as a raider, Vanilla and BC were pretty great, WLK/Cata/MoP/WoD/etc were all great. Vanilla and BC sucked horsecock for the casuals though. That's why they give those "niche cases" that you talk about. The average player experience is nothing at all like my experience, we might as well be playing two completely separate games.

It's why I laugh when people suggest going back to valor. As a raider Valor was completely useless to me at pretty much every point it was implemented except as an ilevel upgrade system which was horrendous because it was mandatory for players like me. For the casuals it sucked balls.

Believe it or not there are other types of players who play this game than players like us - just the fact that you've set foot into Mythic, let alone that you've killed 3 bosses, puts you waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of the curve. Welcome to the top ~5%. We're not going anywhere, there's nothing with PvE like this game. The other player types however WILL leave if they're not having fun. The game has to be designed with them in mind and not just us dinosaurs.

hm i strongly disagree about valor.

i think there would be huge benefit in having farmable 5-6 pieces of 400 itlv gear.

it would give a reason to run hc/mythic dungeons (and even lfr or normal raids) as atm there is 0 reason to do so outside of weekly which is what every 2 months .

and if islands had vp it would be a reason to do them rather then just for weekly ap/dublons.

[Eleccybubb]

The main problem with BFA? It's boring. Regardless of devs, ambition or lack thereof, failed promises, broken systems... at the end of the day, BFA is just plain boring.

Time-gated rep grinds for reskinned classes? Boring.
Warfronts? Boring.
Island Expeditions? Boring.
Grinding AP? Boring.
PVP? What PVP? Wintergrasp? Boring.

There's no challenge, no incentive to group with people, and all systems are just a boring, repetitive grind.

Exactly.

The problem with BFA isn't the amount of content. It's the quality of content.

[kamuimac]

The main problem with BFA? It's boring. Regardless of devs, ambition or lack thereof, failed promises, broken systems... at the end of the day, BFA is just plain boring.

Time-gated rep grinds for reskinned classes? Boring.
Warfronts? Boring.
Island Expeditions? Boring.
Grinding AP? Boring.
PVP? What PVP? Wintergrasp? Boring.

There's no challenge, no incentive to group with people, and all systems are just a boring, repetitive grind.

welcome to every mmorpg for past 30 years -_-

wow and its chalenging raids was always evenement not a norm -_-

i wish you played some old games like silkroad which were literaly giving you quest like "kill 3 purple tigers 20 blue tigers and 600 normal tigers and recieve for it 40 % of level " .... on level 20 or 25 -_-

you sir have no clue what grinds even mean -_-

[Zyky]

BfA does not need a "MAJORRRR" gamechanging patch though. It needs some (big, in some cases) changes to systems in order to be salvaged.

That said, how stupid do you have to believe that they'd openly say that BfA is failing under any circumstances? That any company would? That'd be like telling the players who remain that they shouldn't be playing until the issues are fixed.

There is little chance of them salvaging core systems of BFA, especially considering they can't even salvage class design 8 months into the expansion.

[dcc626]

hm i strongly disagree about valor.

i think there would be huge benefit in having farmable 5-6 pieces of 400 itlv gear.

it would give a reason to run hc/mythic dungeons (and even lfr or normal raids) as atm there is 0 reason to do so outside of weekly which is what every 2 months .

and if islands had vp it would be a reason to do them rather then just for weekly ap/dublons.

and then we get to hear people complain about having to do content they dont want to do just to keep up.

[Benedictu]

welcome to every mmorpg for past 30 years -_-

wow and its chalenging raids was always evenement not a norm -_-

i wish you played some old games like silkroad which were literaly giving you quest like "kill 3 purple tigers 20 blue tigers and 600 normal tigers and recieve for it 40 % of level " .... on level 20 or 25 -_-

you sir have no clue what grinds even mean -_-

Uhh, I played Ultima Online in its heyday. I know what a grind is. That doesn't change the fact that in 2019 BFA is boring.

[RoKPaNda]

hm i strongly disagree about valor.

i think there would be huge benefit in having farmable 5-6 pieces of 400 itlv gear.

it would give a reason to run hc/mythic dungeons (and even lfr or normal raids) as atm there is 0 reason to do so outside of weekly which is what every 2 months .

and if islands had vp it would be a reason to do them rather then just for weekly ap/dublons.

For you, for me, not for the average player. Do you realize how many people have LFR for their endgame? Do you realize that there are a lot of people who don't even run LFR and just stick to heroic dungeons?

Regardless with your system that would add more things that some players are expected to do every week as chores and would be pretty useless for anyone that's capable of doing Heroic or higher. Doesn't sound like a good system. Sounds about like the first implementation of Justice/Valor in BC. Short dead end grind for casuals, useless for everyone else.

[kamuimac]

No
Noooooo
Noooooooooooo

Do you want WoD??
Because if you leave the expansion alone that is how you get WoD

yes pls . i had ton of fun playing WoD.

i have ton of fun playing BfA.

do you know when i didnt have fun ? Legion -_-

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For you, for me, not for the average player. Do you realize how many people have LFR for their endgame? Do you realize that there are a lot of people who don't even run LFR and just stick to heroic dungeons?

Regardless with your system that would add more things that some players are expected to do every week as chores and would be pretty useless for anyone that's capable of doing Heroic or higher. Doesn't sound like a good system. Sounds about like the first implementation of Justice/Valor in BC. Short dead end grind for casuals, useless for everyone else.

and my answer wouuld be "f.... them" "f... anyone who says that he "has to" do anything in this game" .

this has been killing fun in game for past 2 expansions.

BfA finally corrected a lot of their mistake in catering content only to hardcore crowd.

[Lochton]

Because one of the main rules of a company is to not claim a current product to be failing, but to delve in and admit fault to various changes in their products - like they are now.