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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by Brewshine View Post
    Doesn’t 8.2 inlucde a dungeon , a raid , and Two new zones?
    i bet you that 8.2 includes only new zones , naga invasions giving catch up 400 itlv gear and long 8-10 weeks time gated questline at the end of which you will unlock both flying and dungeon .

    new raid will come in 8.2.5

  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharby View Post
    What is with this obsession with wanting the WoW devs to grovel for forgiveness?
    It's all facets of life.

    In work, politics, gaming etc. People just like being right, and want people to be wrong - they don't want the problem to actually be solved.

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntaer View Post
    No company will say their product is a fail.
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  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by Laerrus View Post
    LOL, they aren't going to ever do that.

    This is like corporate at McDonalds telling customers that they have a shit quality hamburger. They would soon lose their market share to other hamburger chains.

    Always promote your product as the best even though you know that there are better products out there.
    Agreed, well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icechaosss View Post
    It's all facets of life.

    In work, politics, gaming etc. People just like being right, and want people to be wrong - they don't want the problem to actually be solved.
    I would say they DO want the problem to be solved, but they want much much MUCH more for the "wrong" party to admit they're "wrong".

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It may push pretty high at launch, but it'll drop drastically once the nostalgia wears off, vanilla was only good for the time, it's not a very good version of the game.
    My sentiments exactly. I just don't think the max population during that time frame will come close to the Live server population.

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I mean, we are on easily the biggest wow forum (outside of the official forums) in existence, and even here, the Classic subforum gets about 5-20% of the traffic the regular wow discussion forum does, without even including all the other subforums about the modern game (classes, pvp, raiding, lore etc.)
    That is partly because one game is released and in full force and the other is an upcoming re-release. The traffic will increase significantly on launch. Also, there is not a lot to talk about, at least for old timers, most of the stuff is known and since Blizz plans to launch as close to classic as possible I have no reason to go there. And I will play Classic a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    My sentiments exactly. I just don't think the max population during that time frame will come close to the Live server population.
    Bethesda released Morrowind for free for the Elder Scrolls anniversary, so I downloaded it and fired it up. It was disgusting. A few hours later after mods I tried again, and there's enough nostalgia to be pretty damn cool, but it also has a nice fresh coat of paint to make it enjoyable. Vanilla won't have that fresh coat of paint, and I can't imagine more than a few diehards getting much enjoyment out of it for the amount of time investment needed.

  8. #388
    They aren't going to publicly act like the expansion is failing. It would be bad for business.

  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Is it just me or is Blizzard just acting like everything is fine?

    Outside of Classic forum communication is non existent, only info we have is directly from Ion with vague promises, 8.2 PTR is not up for a MAJORRRR game changing patch, Lore has been dead silent except insulting people on the forums, devs have been afraid to communicate bugs when reported/confirm them.

    The list just keeps going. Every single thing I see Ion listing out was reported far prior to BFA even launching but how many had to quit and get fired before he decided to put his hubris aside and admit something is broken?

    Nowhere in his interviews is he addressing the casino that is BFA right now and if anything has embraced it even further in dev Q&A's which are few and far between. Where in the hell are the class devs? People are beyond pissed right now about class design and the pruning but there is nothing. Who in the hell looks at prot warriors in MDI right now and does not thing that is just broken and crowding out other tanks that need buffs?

    Guilds have been turned into glorified raid log communities as people are just disillusioned at what is going on right now. Where is the 8.2 hype on the PTR? Atleast then you could get people motivated to stay with the game and not just give up.
    It's not failing, it's actually their top grossing game atm.

    Just because you see a lot of forum crybabies doesn't mean the game is dead. Majority of the people complaining on the forums don't even have valid argument for which why they are complaining about. I've seen it go as far as people complaining that allied races are not buyable with a credit card. Yeah lets not listen to forum QQs.

  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    i bet you that 8.2 includes only new zones , naga invasions giving catch up 400 itlv gear and long 8-10 weeks time gated questline at the end of which you will unlock both flying and dungeon .

    new raid will come in 8.2.5
    Just don't bet anything you want to keep.

  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    They aren't going to publicly act like the expansion is failing. It would be bad for business.
    The same reason they are not releasing sub numbers anymore. It's indirectly admitting what they are doing is bad. Less players = worse game.

  12. #392
    Disgruntled fans: why won't Blizz admit BFA sucks?

    Disgruntled fans: *keeps playing BFA*

    Blizz: *shrug* I don't know, seems fine to me?

  13. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by siskokid21 View Post
    It's not failing, it's actually their top grossing game atm.

    Just because you see a lot of forum crybabies doesn't mean the game is dead. Majority of the people complaining on the forums don't even have valid argument for which why they are complaining about. I've seen it go as far as people complaining that allied races are not buyable with a credit card. Yeah lets not listen to forum QQs.
    Because that majority gross is coming from subs alone yeah?

    Despite the fact they shoved MTX harder than any other expansion so far, did a crappy "see you later" bundle to try and cash grab (let's face it they will bring it back), discount on race changes right before Allied Races came out and a 6 month promo mount?

    Yeah considering how hard they've been going on MTX for WoW it's safe to speculate and say the majority of profit was NOT from subscriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watatsuya View Post
    Disgruntled fans: why won't Blizz admit BFA sucks?

    Disgruntled fans: *keeps playing BFA*

    Blizz: *shrug* I don't know, seems fine to me?
    I mean the majority did quit so /shrug

  14. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    That is partly because one game is released and in full force and the other is an upcoming re-release. The traffic will increase significantly on launch. Also, there is not a lot to talk about, at least for old timers, most of the stuff is known and since Blizz plans to launch as close to classic as possible I have no reason to go there. And I will play Classic a lot.
    It's because Classic is extremely niche in the actual grand scheme of people who play video games, and has very little appeal to most people.

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    The same reason they are not releasing sub numbers anymore. It's indirectly admitting what they are doing is bad. Less players = worse game.
    The reason they don't release sub numbers is because of hyperactive takes like this that generate negative pub for really no reason. The moment you see 100k subscriber drop = WOW IS OVAH and no one says shit when the sub number climbs again. The feedback loop only applies negatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    The same reason they are not releasing sub numbers anymore. It's indirectly admitting what they are doing is bad. Less players = worse game.
    Are you willing to admit that any other subscription-based game that doesn't release their numbers is also bad? WoW was the only one that did this for years. No one else does it. Are they all admitting that "what they are doing is bad?"

    Or is it easier to look at what happened around that time and see that ATVI completely changed their metrics for reporting quarterly results?

    Choose wisely. One of the above is quite true.
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  17. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post

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    I mean the majority did quit so /shrug
    And went to FF14. ;x

  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Are you willing to admit that any other subscription-based game that doesn't release their numbers is also bad? WoW was the only one that did this for years. No one else does it. Are they all admitting that "what they are doing is bad?"

    Or is it easier to look at what happened around that time and see that ATVI completely changed their metrics for reporting quarterly results?

    Choose wisely. One of the above is quite true.
    None lol.

    ActiBlizz were just tired of being embarrassed by publicly revealing they were constantly dropping. So just switched to "MAU" as a term.

    If my game lost 5 million players in around a year or so out of 10 million I'd be pretty damn embarrassed personally and be trying to work out what went wrong.
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  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Are you willing to admit that any other subscription-based game that doesn't release their numbers is also bad? WoW was the only one that did this for years. No one else does it. Are they all admitting that "what they are doing is bad?"

    Or is it easier to look at what happened around that time and see that ATVI completely changed their metrics for reporting quarterly results?

    Choose wisely. One of the above is quite true.
    My opinion? When your game is on the rise and the absolute behemoth that it was during Vanilla/BC/Wotlk, yeah you release numbers because it is good for business. People can talk about the game and say: come join me, this game is awesome and getting bigger and better every patch. They kept the numbers because they would rise back quite high each expansion, only a million or two below peak. But after that it was obvious it is negative PR both for players (new/returning) as well as investors. Why invest in a game slowly dying away. Other games didn't do it because they never experience such growth and probably learned from the lesson Blizzard did wrong. Trumpeting out how well you do is eventually gonna backfire simply because infinite growth doesn't really exist in gaming (limited amount of available players).

  20. #400
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    And went to FF14. ;x
    The funny thing is that this isn't even false. It's partly true. Certain games saw a huge rise in players with this expansion. There is absolute correlation.
    Last edited by Eleccybubb; 2019-04-09 at 08:47 PM.

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