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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Monolithi View Post
    How does Yoshida know what players want?
    Probably a functioning community team that connects the players with the devs and designers.

  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    None lol.

    ActiBlizz were just tired of being embarrassed by publicly revealing they were constantly dropping. So just switched to "MAU" as a term.

    If my game lost 5 million players in around a year or so out of 10 million I'd be pretty damn embarrassed personally and be trying to work out what went wrong.
    So what went wrong? Who can know that answer?
    Or you really think they wouldnt fix what went wrong even if they knew it? Wouldnt seem very logical from their part, right?

  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by Monolithi View Post
    So what went wrong? Who can know that answer?
    Or you really think they wouldnt fix what went wrong even if they knew it? Wouldnt seem very logical from their part, right?
    That's exactly the problem, they don't know what is going wrong and why WoW is declining in numbers. I am not saying I know the answer. I am just sure they don't know either, or they would fix it. In my opinion they SHOULD know what is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Are you willing to admit that any other subscription-based game that doesn't release their numbers is also bad? WoW was the only one that did this for years. No one else does it. Are they all admitting that "what they are doing is bad?"

    Or is it easier to look at what happened around that time and see that ATVI completely changed their metrics for reporting quarterly results?

    Choose wisely. One of the above is quite true.
    WoW also did it without cheating the numbers. Most games will give funny numbers like "Accounts created" or "Copies sold" that don't equate to actual paying players to claim "see, we're releasing player numbers."
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  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    I mean they literally stopped doing it as the numbers almost cut in half in the space of a year.

    Doesn't take much to figure out they were embarrassed by that huge drop.
    Fair point. Even if not releasing the subs numbers doesn't necessarily mean the game is going downhill (otherwise every subscription-based MMO is going downhill).

  6. #426
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    Probably a functioning community team that connects the players with the devs and designers.
    Quite general description... Why wouldnt Blizz do the same? I mean they live off profit, why wouldnt they do the same?
    Do FF14 CMs ask every single player what they like/dislike?
    Or you think forums are good representation of what players want? Players are hive-mind with identical taste?
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  7. #427
    They don't like to talk to us like humans. Everything is fine loyal WoW player we the Developer know exactly what we are doing!

    Next expansion cycle: Yeah, we know we made a lot of mistakes with x(latest expansion) but we learned a lot and with your feedback we are hoping to make the next expansion truly great! (continues to ignore all feedback on beta that lasted almost a year)
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  8. #428
    Why didn't Blizz can wow when we said it was dead like a decade ago.

  9. #429
    Quote Originally Posted by Monolithi View Post
    Quite general description... Why wouldnt Blizz do the same? I mean they live off profit, why wouldnt they do the same?
    Do FF14 CMs ask every single player what they like/dislike?
    I can't tell you, I am not an active FF14 player. It was just a nod at Blizzard usually failing at using community feedback (acquiring azerite armor was way too random at launch) and probably Square Enix utilizing the Feedback better than Blizzard since you asked how Yoshida knows what the players want.

  10. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by Shammyrock View Post
    Why didn't Blizz can wow when we said it was dead like a decade ago.
    Prolly bc there is no worthy competition.

    When runescape is the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, you know people aren't even trying to get into the genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monolithi View Post
    Quite general description... Why wouldnt Blizz do the same? I mean they live off profit, why wouldnt they do the same?
    Do FF14 CMs ask every single player what they like/dislike?
    Or you think forums are good representation of what players want? Players are hive-mind with identical taste?
    Actually, FF14's game director sometimes pops into the JP servers and holds Q&A sessions in cities.
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  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    That's exactly the problem, they don't know what is going wrong and why WoW is declining in numbers. I am not saying I know the answer. I am just sure they don't know either, or they would fix it. In my opinion they SHOULD know what is wrong.
    Or maybe they dont think anything is wrong.

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Is it just me or is Blizzard just acting like everything is fine?

    Outside of Classic forum communication is non existent, only info we have is directly from Ion with vague promises, 8.2 PTR is not up for a MAJORRRR game changing patch, Lore has been dead silent except insulting people on the forums, devs have been afraid to communicate bugs when reported/confirm them.

    The list just keeps going. Every single thing I see Ion listing out was reported far prior to BFA even launching but how many had to quit and get fired before he decided to put his hubris aside and admit something is broken?

    Nowhere in his interviews is he addressing the casino that is BFA right now and if anything has embraced it even further in dev Q&A's which are few and far between. Where in the hell are the class devs? People are beyond pissed right now about class design and the pruning but there is nothing. Who in the hell looks at prot warriors in MDI right now and does not thing that is just broken and crowding out other tanks that need buffs?

    Guilds have been turned into glorified raid log communities as people are just disillusioned at what is going on right now. Where is the 8.2 hype on the PTR? Atleast then you could get people motivated to stay with the game and not just give up.
    You're just a hater who wants to see Blizzard explicitly say "we failed, BFA sucked" just to have your feelings validated.
    They know they failed, they don't need to scream it on the rooftop, you just see them as the enemy when they are not. They're just human beings doing the best they can at the job they have and if that's not good enough for you, you are free to go shop anywhere else. You are not entitled to an apology from them just to make you hard.

    They know that at this point they can't make enough changes in a patch to really make people change their mind. They need something gigantic to really change people's perception of the game and that can only happen in an xpack. So acting like 8.2 will change everything is a waste of time and a lie, saying they will make awesome changes in the future is also a waste of time because no one gives a shit unless they actually see it in action and of course they won't have anything to show for a very long time.

    This is just a case of take a break, go outside, wait to see what's in store for the next xpack. This is WoW, it's one game amonst millions, it's not a religion or a lifestyle, just a timesink like all other entertainment, you can go do anything else really, it's the smallest deal ever.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    I can't tell you, I am not an active FF14 player. It was just a nod at Blizzard usually failing at using community feedback (acquiring azerite armor was way too random at launch) and probably Square Enix utilizing the Feedback better than Blizzard since you asked how Yoshida knows what the players want.
    They're not ALWAYS receptive, but if it's something big they usually are. They did something a few patches ago that had backlash akin to the GCD backlash, the change only lasted a week or two before it was hotfixed.

    But sometimes when it comes to class design stuff (like the spammyness of DRK) they come and say that they can't fix it until an expansion, but they'll do something to help next patch, next patch comes around and they add another spell to the Dark Arts spammyness of DRK.... there's still a lot of disconnect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    They're not ALWAYS receptive, but if it's something big they usually are. They did something a few patches ago that had backlash akin to the GCD backlash, the change only lasted a week or two before it was hotfixed.

    But sometimes when it comes to class design stuff (like the spammyness of DRK) they come and say that they can't fix it until an expansion, but they'll do something to help next patch, next patch comes around and they add another spell to the Dark Arts spammyness of DRK.... there's still a lot of disconnect.
    WoW players are basically pre-programmed to hate anything that happens. Also doesn't help that the way WoW is built "We can't fix this until next expansion" means rolling a whole new character.
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  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    I can't tell you, I am not an active FF14 player. It was just a nod at Blizzard usually failing at using community feedback (acquiring azerite armor was way too random at launch) and probably Square Enix utilizing the Feedback better than Blizzard since you asked how Yoshida knows what the players want.
    Community feedback is somehow representative? How many people actually gave that feedback?
    You obviously think azerite armour is badly presented, I think it was fine. So, how should Blizzard act if two of us have opposite opinions?

  17. #437
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    WoW players are basically pre-programmed to hate anything that happens. Also doesn't help that the way WoW is built "We can't fix this until next expansion" means rolling a whole new character.
    I mean, wow could at least ATTEMPT to balance specs somewhat.... they don't even do that much. If someone did decent damage but the class wasn't great to play it would still see play to "wait it out".


    Granted shamans have been waiting since the day they were born....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavfin View Post
    Don't go tossing facts into their cherished negative narrative, RoKPaNda!
    Actually the last sales call showed decline in wow so it wasn't meeting expectations, and that's a fact as well :P

    but because it was off a decent Expansion and people didn't think blizz could screw up that badly they let it go and bought the expansion leading to record sales numbers which made it look better than it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    I mean, wow could at least ATTEMPT to balance specs somewhat.... they don't even do that much. If someone did decent damage but the class wasn't great to play it would still see play to "wait it out".


    Granted shamans have been waiting since the day they were born....
    Shaman's have been waiting to be fixed since the day they lost Totems. Instead they got... Maelstrom....
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  19. #439
    Quote Originally Posted by Monolithi View Post
    Community feedback is somehow representative? How many people actually gave that feedback?
    You obviously think azerite armour is badly presented, I think it was fine. So, how should Blizzard act if two of us have opposite opinions?
    No, I was neutral on that topic since I had good RNG and got 370 pieces very early on in the expansion, but I know of several people that were stuck on 340 for an eternity because they either didn't get higher ilvl pieces or the traits sucked too much. Blizzard should act on the majority if it aligns with their vision of the game. If they want RNG heavy loot distribution and most players enjoy that, sure. Since it's obvious that the game is losing more players than returning ones we can assume that approach is bad/wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripleh View Post
    I think if activision layed off some key figures. It would motivate them more to fix things. CS reps isn't really gonna cause that, but say laying off Lore, some devs, and narrative team members. Would prompt faster changes then current. Like most, you gotta accept that Ion really doesn't care about the game. But watch as they probably introduce two more parts of pathfinder. One for the naga zone and one for Mechagon. Wouldn't surprise me if they have it already planned.
    They should've laid off lore to begin with. He doesn't do shit and looks like a homeless Weird Al.

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