Sticking to the old high warlord grind system is a huge mistake

[Thunderball]

that was only possible before battlegrounds were released

back then you were forced to solo or you would end up with less honor

battlegrounds will be in from the start from what i understand so there is no chance of any solo player

No, bgs wont be in from the start.

[Teri]

Already got rank 13 back then, not gonna do it again.

That does not mean that the system gotta change however.

I wonder if they are going to award pre-honor system tabards to the 2 highest(horde/alliance) #1 honor kill per server like the old days

[Daish]

Yeaaah, I'm fine with keeping the original pvp system.

so with the original pvp system during AB the bonus you would gain more honor per hour by afking in AB then winning the game with a 3 cap



yeah but your right im sure its fine

[Thunderball]

Thinking "no changes" is a better stance than changing this hilariously awful system, is hilarious.

It's a good system. It's just not for you. Get over it.

[MatadorMedia]

i predict that with the ease of communication social media gives people these days alliances will be set up across factions and win trading will be common place

Technically this would be against the Vanilla terms of service agreement. You were not allowed to communicate cross-faction like this; I wonder how they will handle this in Classic since with improved communication channels there is no way to snuff it out.

[Hinastorm]

It's a good system. It's just not for you. Get over it.

Care to elaborate? Ya, didn't think so. Its not a good system, I explained why.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Its how it was in classic. I know for a fact this means I will never be rank 14 and hey.. that is ok. Those that I see that are I know put in major work (or bought an account) to get it.

[Daish]

Technically this would be against the Vanilla terms of service agreement. You were not allowed to communicate cross-faction like this; I wonder how they will handle this in Classic since with improved communication channels there is no way to snuff it out.

it happened in Vanilla with ZERO communication if your faction currently had a instant queue and you were put up vs a hard team u were unlikely to win vs there is no logical sense at all that you would stay and fight drawing out long games that lose you honor per hour

[Teri]

Care to elaborate? Ya, didn't think so. Its not a good system, I explained why.

You had to play a lot less then 20 hours a day if the server actually was thinking alike and talked with eachother and set an order of who got rank 14 that next week, on my RP server it was super social and people had mega respect for eachother, despite the competition over world bosses at times.


Still doesn't mean it was easy at all, it's not like the entire server always listened, and on Classic that's gonna be even less likely.

[Daish]

ALSO NO DESERTER DEBUFF

i cant believe people are looking forward to vanilla it hurts my brain

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Meh. I just enjoyed getting unhonorable kills, myself. Shame they took that out.

[Daish]

Meh. I just enjoyed getting unhonorable kills, myself. Shame they took that out.

a unhonorable kill was something like -300 honor

if a player in your party / raid tagged a unhonorable npc it would really fuck up your rank

[Nathasil]

QQmoar nubs. Rank 14 will only be achievable by a low % of people, as it always has been. Don't like it? Don't do vanilla honor PvP grind. Honestly, some people just want rank 11 for the blue set and mount...and that's not difficult to get to.

I did r11 in Vanilla. Playing on a low-pop server that was heavily Alliance-dominated made it take ages. I cannot really remember how many months...too long ago. But it was some of them and back then i pretty much played whenever i was awake. Fun times.

Just for some numbers: Alterac Valley opened 1 or 2 times on my server per week back then. Usually on Friday. Which meant you would try to not log off after Thursday, just to be longer in the Q. For WSG it was better, but could still take 4-5 hours. Imagine sitting in Q 4-5 hours to play one match...every day....for MONTHS. Yup, that was my life back then....and it was awesome.

I would never do it again.

I was part of the #1 Alliance PvP group back then, too. Which meant after those 4-5 hours of wait time you would usually get into a game you could totally dominate or the enemy team would forfeit right away.

[Kagthul]

people will account share like in vanilla until every other pvp group dies then they will sit back and relax knowing they have a monopoly on the top 10-20 ranks for that server/faction and work out a chart on who gets what rank each week to progress though their list and earn players rank 13 or 14

if you do not follow the chart and earn to much honor you will be at risk of being kicked from your pvp group

Technically this would be against the Vanilla terms of service agreement. You were not allowed to communicate cross-faction like this; I wonder how they will handle this in Classic since with improved communication channels there is no way to snuff it out.

I assure you, it was plenty easy then. AIM, ICQ, and other IM cLients were already ubiquitous

[Zantos]

We wanted vanilla. And that's what we'll get. Not just the nice things about vanilla with all the things we found annoying cut out. No. Pure vanilla.

N O C H A N G E S

Exactly. This is the result. Everyone wanted vanilla so bad. Now they want vanilla "lite". A vanilla with changes that make it different then the original.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

a unhonorable kill was something like -300 honor

if a player in your party / raid tagged a unhonorable npc it would really fuck up your rank

Yep. I did this stuff solo on my rogue. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. I thought I remembered hearing you'd get an "Unhonorable" title out of it and other silly stuff, 's probably why I did it.

[SinR]

As someone that helped people get GM/HWL in Vanilla, and got Commander myself on my Warrior, i really don't care either way.

I still have memories of dropping Vent channels and YELLING to wake our guy up. He refused to account share to R14. I remember him getting banned on the last day before reset and getting screwed out of R14 by the other Premade Group. I remember the Horde premade group stomping said other premade group into the ground EVERY TIME they faced off. Chilling in Vent with them until both of us got queue pops. Milking the Cow King. Getting R11 myself and being happy

If people want AUTHENTIC VANILLA... here you go.

[therealstegblob]

We wanted vanilla. And that's what we'll get. Not just the nice things about vanilla with all the things we found annoying cut out. No. Pure vanilla.

N O C H A N G E S

Yeah, not like all those changes they're already fucking making lololololololololol.

[seleri]

You're right that the system was awful but that's the system classic used and they need to keep it. They aren't trying to make a perfect game, they're trying to remake original WoW.

[tikcol]

that was only possible before battlegrounds were released

back then you were forced to solo or you would end up with less honor

Battlegrounds will be in from the start from what i understand so there is no chance of any solo player

Battlegrounds will not be in from the start. People nowadays, in general, understand a lot better how the ranking system works and it will be the norm to form brackets every week that people respect. Caps for honor will be created every week by the community so that a rank 5 player won't take the spot of a rank 11 player trying to reach rank 12.

On a 2.5k pop realm you can expect bracket 1 for around 5-10 players, bracket 2 for 10-20 players and bracket 3 for 20-40 players. A rank 5 player won't be "allowed" to reach bracket 1 because the rank 11 player needs it a lot more.

This is to ensure that there is a system in place so that people that actually need ranking points the most are rewarded them. When the rank 5 player eventually reaches rank 11 he will join the bracket 1 or 2 group. Usually only bracket 1 and 2 are assigned to individual players, bracket 3 and below are usually open for everyone. What you can't do though is break the honor caps assigned to each bracket.

On low pop private realms (around 2k pop) numbers usually look like this

bracket 1 = 300k honor
braket 2 = 250k honor
bracket 3= 200k honor

If you're assigned to bracket 2 you can't go higher than 250k honor, when you reach 250k honor for a given week you stop pvp altogether. This is to ensure that everyone inside bracket 2 gets rewarded virtually the same amount of ranking points. If someone in bracket 2 reaches, for instance, 290k honor, they effectively lower the ranking points of everyone inside bracket 2 by a LARGE amount.

On a 2.5k pop realm without bgs the honor cap will be extremely lower than this.