Mythic > Raid

[Cempa]

Is it by design those who do only Mythic + have higher item level than those who only do Heroic Raid? The difference is about 10 to 15 ilvls. And if so, why? Is it not far more challenging putting a 25 man raid together aned keep it together and managing a guild than finding 4 players?

On my server, chat is filled with Mythic + boost ..

So, Blizz message to player base it Pay 2 Win? Buy Tokens and give gold to Mythic + boosters gets you gear better than Heroic Raiders?? WTF

[Freshouttajail]

Is it by design those who do only Mythic + have higher item level than those who only do Heroic Raid? The difference is about 10 to 15 ilvls. And if so -since it's obviously the case, why?

Because you can only do the raid once a week and most of the time the game gives you no item at all. If you are lucky enough to get something it will most likely be a shitty 400ilvl item. On top of that crazy luck, you need even more insane luck to get it to titanforge to reach a respectable ilvl.

M+ are spammable, which means people can just dump time in them forever and eventually reach the point of crazy luck needed to tianforge something big. M+10 drop same base ilvl as heroic raid.

[Cempa]

Blizz moved raid leaders and guild leaders from Everquest by giving them something fun! These new kids in Blizz today have no idea how they are killing the game slowly ..

Raiding and the highest of high-end PvP should be the ONLY source of best-of-best gear.

[Baleful]

So this is Blizz way of telling raiders they should also grind more! Nurf heroic loot so players NEED to grind by spaming 5 man!!! How are subs heading again?

Just raid Mythic :\

[Freshouttajail]

So this is Blizz way of telling raiders they should also grind more! Nurf heroic loot so players NEED to grind by spaming 5 man!!! How are subs heading again?

Well, it's a MMO. You're either gonna accept to grind and improve your character, refuse to grind and stay weak, or just quit the game. There never was a point where playing less was valuable and it will never be the case. Also there won't be any universe where a video game will have infinitely new content to do, it will always feel like and be like a grind.

If you don't like grinding it's time to get off the boat, mate.

[A Chozo]

The fuck you need more ilvl for if you don't raid Mythic / compete in PvP / push m+ keys?

Anyway, if you want more gear from raiding, go raid Mythic. Kill one boss, get some ilvl 415 piece. It's neat!

[neildown]

In 25 man if one player slacks its 4% but if one slacks in mythics its 20% certainly would not say raids are harder...25 man is maybe harder to get together but for me focus is more intense in M+

[Qnubi]

Repeatable content that yields the same ilvl as heroic raids baseline as well as one mythic ilvl at m10 per week, obviously the m+ player will be better equipped than the heroic only raider. So yes, it is by design. /thread

[klaps_05]

Blizz moved raid leaders and guild leaders from Everquest by giving them something fun! These new kids in Blizz today have no idea how they are killing the game slowly ..

Raiding and the highest of high-end PvP should be the ONLY source of best-of-best gear.

You got it backwards - high end PvP and PvE are the extreme minority of players. Making the game (and gear) a lot more accessible to the majority of players is what keeps them and attracts new ones (by showing them its easy to keep up even if you arent the top 1% of players).

Its not 2004 anymore, the new systems need to address the "new kids" not old farts.

[Cempa]

Running a 25 man heroic guild means you will try mythic 25 man but that's beside the point. The effort and time needed to manage a guild of 30 or so raiders is huge!

The message is clear, 25 man guilds are second tier .. Simply pay boosters in game gold -via blizz store- and voila you better geared than heroic raiders in a fraction of the time!

[Jenova7]

Raiding and the highest of high-end PvP should be the ONLY source of best-of-best gear.

And that is the case. Mythic Raids and PvP with 2,4k+ rating drops better loot than m+.

[Cempa]

You got it backwards - high end PvP and PvE are the extreme minority of players. Making the game (and gear) a lot more accessible to the majority of players is what keeps them and attracts new ones (by showing them its easy to keep up even if you arent the top 1% of players).

Its not 2004 anymore, the new systems need to address the "new kids" not old farts.

..and what's been happening to subs? You know why? It is extremely easy to get 5 man mythic gear ..

At the very least gearing through 5 man should take as much time as gearing through raiding.

[nToxik]

Running a 25 man heroic guild means you will try mythic 25 man but that's beside the point. The effort and time needed to manage a guild of 30 or so raiders is huge!

The message is clear, 25 man guilds are second tier .. Simply pay boosters in game gold -via blizz store- and voila you better geared than heroic raiders in a fraction of the time!

Umm you know you can 'pay' to be carried through Mythic raids as well right? Your argument doesn't make any sense. Having multiple way of gearing up is a good thing. Quit whining.

[Freshouttajail]

You got it backwards - high end PvP and PvE are the extreme minority of players. Making the game (and gear) a lot more accessible to the majority of players is what keeps them and attracts new ones (by showing them its easy to keep up even if you arent the top 1% of players).

Its not 2004 anymore, the new systems need to address the "new kids" not old farts.

Nope, completely wrong.

People need to have something to look forward to. Right now bad players are getting endgame gear and realize the game is a joke, so they quit, and long before them the good players have already left. That's why the game has so little players now.

Back when there was a lot of players, most of them would never reach end game, they would play with the hope and dream of one day getting there. This has always been about the journey and not the destination. The destination is the end, it's when people get bored and leave.

The game needs to give everyone something to look for, not literally give them what they should be hoping for.

It DOES NOT MATTER what kind of players are in the game, they all react the same way, they get free shit, they quit. Give more free shit to the majority, the majority leaves, as evidenced by later xpacks.

[manoman]

My guild is not even motivated to run Normal Jaina a 2nd time because the loot is so low compared to M+ 400s. We killed her once out of sheer luck on our first try, but no one wants to visit it again. Just a sad state of the current situation.

[dcc626]

Running a 25 man heroic guild means you will try mythic 25 man but that's beside the point. The effort and time needed to manage a guild of 30 or so raiders is huge!

The message is clear, 25 man guilds are second tier .. Simply pay boosters in game gold -via blizz store- and voila you better geared than heroic raiders in a fraction of the time!

or get off the forums, stop complaining and play the game.

[quite an expert in wow]

if you're still stuck on heroic by now i doubt you're pushing high m+ keys anyways

[Cempa]

Umm you know you can 'pay' to be carried through Mythic raids as well right? Your argument doesn't make any sense. Having multiple way of gearing up is a good thing. Quit whining.

How much smartass? The cost is astronomical ... Go online right now and look at trade chat : FULL LEATHER Mythic + .. Get your 415 gear for in game gold

[Redroniksre]

Running a 25 man heroic guild means you will try mythic 25 man but that's beside the point. The effort and time needed to manage a guild of 30 or so raiders is huge!

The message is clear, 25 man guilds are second tier .. Simply pay boosters in game gold -via blizz store- and voila you better geared than heroic raiders in a fraction of the time!

So really your argument is less that they should be rewarding raiders better, but that they should be rewarding raid leaders better. I can guarantee you the average raider has the same responsibilities as the average mythic+ runner does, the only difference is the raid leader who puts things together. I do wish people would stop confusing the two.

[Druitz]

You need guild and shit tons of time to raid mythic. A lot of players cant afford it so they only do m+. Yes it is easier than mythic raid but you only get 1 410ilvl item a week. About heroic raiders... its just heroic. Is it rly that hard to do one weekly m+10 that can be done by blind people?

Some ppl can argue that pvp rewards are too good compared to heroic raids because of how easy it is to get 2.1k and just spam rated 2v2/3v3 for never ending source of ilvl 400 gear.

This will be never changed i hope.