No we don't. We have less CC currently than we've ever had before. CC is the core of our class.
Go ahead and prune Shroud. It's nu-Rogue cancer. It breaks the class in M+ and holds us back in every other game mode. It's not a classic, iconic Rogue ability like Gouge. Gouge has been my "4" keybind since I dinged level 6 back in 2005. It is truly iconic. Shroud is stupid and cancerous.
Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA
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I think you missed the other 70% of my post.
I explained why I agree with what you just said.
I thought this made the point kind of obvious. Rogues only seem like they have an overloaded kit because they're probably the only class that hasn't been neutered to shit when it comes to other design elements....and I kind of agree that it's a problem but I think it's more of a "treating the symptom rather than the disease" problem with WoW. When most classes aren't good at anything anymore, rogue stands out as the class that's still good at something.
I agreed with the rest of your post, which was why no further comment on it was necessary. It was an otherwise good post except for the part where you claimed we have too much CC already. That is false, we have less CC in our toolkit than ever before in the history of this class.
Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA
“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
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Um... What?
In very specific circumstances and only just for M+. You can even replace it for the most part with Invis pots. Also you can't even use it in PvP anymore.
Honestly, I'd prefer they remove it over nerfing other utility like Blind and Gouge, or give it to other classes/specs. It's not nearly as powerful as you think it is, outside of high-end M+ and they even said they want us fighting more trash anyway (which is absurd, but they're the devs so whatever). This fixes two things: Nerfing Rogue utility and making us fight more trash.
Still wondering why I play this game.
I'm a Rogue and I also made a spreadsheet for the Order Hall that is updated for BfA.
An ability that was added in MoP is not iconic.
The only reason shroud was unpruned is because PvP Rogues raised hell. Blizzard said "we hear you, we're looking to add something back to the class to make it more interesting outside the dps rotation." This is what we got? It's an insult, it demonstrates that they completely failed to understand the problem we were asking them to solve.
Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA
“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
― Douglas Adams
Man, Gouge was my bread and butter in TBC arena. So many re-stealths from that single move alone. Who needed Vanish when you could just do a 180 sprinting gouge.
Last edited by shoegazing; 2019-05-17 at 02:44 PM.
Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA
“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
― Douglas Adams
Why respond to the first post only without reading the thread? Shroud is obviously cancer, just look at Rogue representation in M+. What's worse, do you know the reason Shroud was added? Because PvP Rogues complained about the boring, one dimensional, pruned state of the class.
Blizzard: "We hear you that playing a Rogue isn't very fun anymore in PvP and it needs something more to do outside of the dps rotation. We're planning to unprune another ability in 7.1"
Also Blizzard: "Here's an ability that you can't even use in PvP."
What an absolute joke.
Last edited by shoegazing; 2019-05-17 at 02:47 PM.
Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA
“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
― Douglas Adams
That is not for you to decide. It is subjective to the eye of the beholder. Maybe you don't find Shroud iconic, but I do as well as many others.
A lot of people like Shroud, and for you to neglect that is just ignorant and selfish.
I don't do pvp so if Blizzard completely destroyed rogues for pvp and used all their resources on pve, it would benefit me. But I would never ask for something like that, because I'm not a small minded person and I care about the wellbeing of other people.
I find your comments extremely toxic.
Last edited by Kaver; 2019-05-17 at 03:08 PM.
I think Shroud is a badly designed ability. It's obviously imbalanced in M+. With that said, I don't care about it, except for the fact that:
1. PvP Rogues asked Blizzard to give us our buttons back
2. Blizzard said "we hear you, we're going to give you a button back in 7.1"
3. That button was Shroud. Clearly, Blizzard did NOT hear us.
Am I hellbent on removing Shroud from the game? Nah, I don't care. I think it's a badly designed ability that creates a degenerate M+ meta of double Rogue compositions. If I were in charge of designing the class, I would probably consider removing it. But it's not my priority. I'm not starting threads about how Shroud should be pruned.
With that being said, when I am demanding Gouge be restored to its rightful position as my "4" keybind where it resided since early 2005, and people are saying "no you can't have that because you already have Shroud your class is so broken already!", I'm not going to sugarcoat my response or go out of my way to argue that Shroud should stay.
Last edited by shoegazing; 2019-05-18 at 03:54 AM.
Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA
“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
― Douglas Adams