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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    That is not for you to decide. It is subjective to the eye of the beholder. Maybe you don't find Shroud iconic, but I do as well as many others.

    A lot of people like Shroud, and for you to neglect that is just ignorant and selfish.

    I don't do pvp so if Blizzard completely destroyed rogues for pvp and used all their resources on pve, it would benefit me. But I would never ask for something like that, because I'm not a small minded person and I care about the wellbeing of other people.

    I find your comments extremely toxic.
    I think Shroud is a badly designed ability. It's obviously imbalanced in M+. With that said, I don't care about it, except for the fact that:

    1. PvP Rogues asked Blizzard to give us our buttons back

    2. Blizzard said "we hear you, we're going to give you a button back in 7.1"

    3. That button was Shroud. Clearly, Blizzard did NOT hear us.

    Am I hellbent on removing Shroud from the game? Nah, I don't care. I think it's a badly designed ability that creates a degenerate M+ meta of double Rogue compositions. If I were in charge of designing the class, I would probably consider removing it. But it's not my priority. I'm not starting threads about how Shroud should be pruned.

    With that being said, when I am demanding Gouge be restored to its rightful position as my "4" keybind where it resided since early 2005, and people are saying "no you can't have that because you already have Shroud your class is so broken already!", I'm not going to sugarcoat my response or go out of my way to argue that Shroud should stay.
    Last edited by shoegazing; 2019-05-18 at 03:54 AM.
    Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by shoegazing View Post
    I think Shroud is a badly designed ability. It's obviously imbalanced in M+. With that said, I don't care about it, except for the fact that:

    1. PvP Rogues asked Blizzard to give us our buttons back

    2. Blizzard said "we hear you, we're going to give you a button back in 7.1"

    3. That button was Shroud. Clearly, Blizzard did NOT hear us.

    Am I hellbent on removing Shroud from the game? Nah, I don't care. I think it's a badly designed ability that creates a degenerate M+ meta of double Rogue compositions. If I were in charge of designing the class, I would probably consider removing it. But it's not my priority. I'm not starting threads about how Shroud should be pruned.

    With that being said, when I am demanding Gouge be restored to its rightful position as my "4" keybind where it resided since early 2005, and people are saying "no you can't have that because you already have Shroud your class is so broken already!", I'm not going to sugarcoat my response or go out of my way to argue that Shroud should stay.
    To be honest, that is a question the expansion after BfA will have to answer. Did they learn their lesson? They've heard the unanimous feedback about class design, no doubt. They know there is a no insubstantial part of the playerbase that craves complexity.
    Part of that may be getting gouge back.
    But we'll have to wait and see. Sit tight and then fill the beta forums, which they'll surely listen to this time, he.
    As far as that is concerned, we need more people like Shoegazing. People that treat this like a holy crusade. Shoegazing lo vult, infidels! :P

  3. #63
    Because Holy Crusades always go so well.
    A witty saying proves nothing.
    -Voltaire
    not quite Batman
    winning
    "A stick is a love letter that hasn't been made into paper yet."
    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by ymirsson View Post
    Because Holy Crusades always go so well.
    Where the metaphor ends, foolery starts. :P

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