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    The circumstances of our landing in Nazjatar make Jaina's appearance there natural, she is the Lord Admiral and it's her fleet and her ship that gave chase to the Horde there.

    On the other hand Tyrande suddenly being there would make little sense because she has her hands full with war in Darkshore and Ashenvale, her homeland, to take some leisurely ship trips half the globe away.

    Basically it would make no sense for Tyrande to somehow appear in Nazjatar, while it makes perfect natural sense for Jaina to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Does Jaina have to be there? No - she was the centre of 8.0 and starred int eh battle for Dazar'alor, she really has no connection with Azshara or the naga, she can be there, but others should step in.

    Failure to miss this is atrocious.
    Bullshit, you talk about integrity and consistency, yet you somehow want Tyrande (currently busy fighting in her bloody homeland) or hell Farondis miraculously materialize on Alliance shit giving chase to Horde in open seas?

    You totally miss the context there - these Horde and Alliance fleets playing game of catch with each other had no clue they will even end up in Nazjatar. It was a complete surprise for Alliance whose mission was to basically intercept Horde fleet without any cue to why they were headed where they were headed let alone that they will end up in Nazjatar of all things.

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    Bullshit, you talk about integrity and consistency, yet you somehow want Tyrande (currently busy fighting in her bloody homeland) or hell Farondis miraculously materialize on Alliance shit giving chase to Horde in open seas?

    You totally miss the context there - these Horde and Alliance fleets playing game of catch with each other had no clue they will even end up in Nazjatar. It was a complete surprise for Alliance whose mission was to basically intercept Horde fleet without any cue to why they were headed where they were headed let alone that they will end up in Nazjatar of all things.
    You mean Tyrande who makes one appearance in the pre quest for the battle of Darkshore, and isnt even there for the warfront, has major beef and character development with Azshara, set up as her rival with the beauty and integrity to match or even eclipse the Queen, costing her dearly in the war of the ancient.

    That Tyrande whose races first and greatest genocide was orchestrated by this Queen she has spent the last 10k years on a vigil to prevent the nightmare that woman started. You mean that Tyrande has less of a reason to be there opposuping her former Queen in her races Capital, place of arcane origin and site of first contact with her Goddess, you call bullshit on me feeling she should take the major role over Jaina, who should be injured after a loss in 8.1 raid.

    So Jaina can be there but Tyrande can't? I dont mind Jaina being there at all but this should be the night elves show as their only remaining racial adversary, the likes of Tyrande, Malfurion and Farondis are major characters intertwined with their former racial leader, we should see more of them over Jaina. Not even sure why Genn is there.

    To think Tyrande would stay fighting horde minions when that woman is about to u leash a second hell on Azeroth that could eclipse that of the legion.

    I mean Tyrande has had zero exposure in wow till her cameo in MOP, and she was a major character and racial leader you have to skip ahead another 6 years to see her play a minor role against the Legion her races nemesis enemy, be AWOL for her goddess temple liberation where it made poor sense illidan and Maiev were the ones there.. then she stars in a warfront entry after being absent for the War of Thorns, and the big villain of 8.2 she is the established opposite and is the one in lore to have been set up opposing Azshara, doesnt show up and you think that is bullshit and that doesnt smack of inconsistency or just not caring about your established lore already

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    You mean Tyrande who makes one appearance in the pre quest for the battle of Darkshore, and isnt even there for the warfront, has major beef and character development with Azshara, set up as her rival with the beauty and integrity to match or even eclipse the Queen, costing her dearly in the war of the ancient.
    Who the hell cares about some beef from 10k years ago? Night Elves are being exterminated as a race in the Ashenvale right now, you propose Night Elf leader to throw that all in the gutter and go chasing after shadows of the past or some silly epeen contest you present here?

    Really? That would be "good writing"?


    If Tyrande and Malfurion would be leisurely chilling and playing around in some secluded lake in Val'sharah, then it would make sense for them to pack up and go, but right now frikkin' Ashenvale is burning and Darkshore is not really out of the woods yet. Guess what is more important for them.

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    Isint whole Nazjatar like sudden thing? Like ships got swallowed into the ocean? That means only random characters such as nathanos or jaina would be there, therefore its logical because nobody anticipated Azshara. However I'd like to see malfurion or tyrande joining the fight as patch goes on or lets say when they establish portal connection to outside world, because those 2 should know some stuff that could help others...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Who the hell cares about some beef from 10k years ago? Night Elves are being exterminated as a race in the Ashenvale right now, you propose Night Elf leader to throw that all in the gutter and go chasing after shadows of the past or some silly epeen contest you present here?

    Really? That would be "good writing"?


    If Tyrande and Malfurion would be leisurely chilling and playing around in some secluded lake in Val'sharah, then it would make sense for them to pack up and go, but right now frikkin' Ashenvale is burning and Darkshore is not really out of the woods yet. Guess what is more important for them.
    Beef from 10k years.. who has been invading your lands and alughtering your people all over your shore lines and coast lines, or have you forgotten all your questing experiences in darkshore, Ashevnale, Desolace and Feralas plagued with naga, in val'sharah, Azusna, and Surmar…?

    With a Queen that is inleague with the old gods and plotting a second extra dimensional invasion force to come into your world and snuff out all life remaking it in dark and crazed image... and you who know her well, who have beef with her, who stopped her before to defend your world, will sit down and fight a squabble with hordies who's recent genocide pales in comparsion to the one 10,000 years ago that wiped out 100s of millions of your people and set you on a 10,000 year long period of penance like vigil , living as spectre of what you use to, just so you could prevent that menace from returning and destroying your world. Framing your existence until the end of legion expansion.. and you think they wouldn't care?

    And seeing how they ar causing the nightmare, (drudis), cursed your people to spiri form (Farondis), aligned with the maleveont side of the void intending to shatter the balance between ligh and void( Elune) .. and you think the high priestess and arch druid or the like sof Prince Farondis would sit down and go..


    oh.. she was annoying 10k years ago, but payback with the horde who are likely pawns in this plot is more important..


    And you think that is quality writing or justifiable reason for absence? As bad as the war of thorns was, it is nothing compared to the genocide of the sundering that has caused that particular group to live and carry out a 10k year long vigil, farming their every action and purpose, and you think darkshore is more important?


    Darkshore a zone who's warfront Tyrande is absent in (only there for the pre-quest) and half the ngiht elves aren't even present - no illidari, no farondis, no shen'drlar, no shandris, , no dreamwardens, - only darnassian sentinel a, huntresses and the druids of that region..

    and you think the others not there shouldn't be leading their allies through their ancient capital, birth place of their race, and site of first contact with their goddess..

    I mean come on.!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Who the hell cares about some beef from 10k years ago? Night Elves are being exterminated as a race in the Ashenvale right now, you propose Night Elf leader to throw that all in the gutter and go chasing after shadows of the past or some silly epeen contest you present here?

    Really? That would be "good writing"?


    If Tyrande and Malfurion would be leisurely chilling and playing around in some secluded lake in Val'sharah, then it would make sense for them to pack up and go, but right now frikkin' Ashenvale is burning and Darkshore is not really out of the woods yet. Guess what is more important for them.
    Blizzard clrearly thinks they have time to spare to have them standing next the other racial leaders for the extreme and important task of watching Anduin get a Ship.
    Also, things in Kalimdor seems to be more or less under control and are actually incharge of Maiev who's currently leading the assault on Darkshore.
    And as a final note, Blizzard are the ones who write these stories so it once again shows that cound't care less about night elves that they decided to plan Nazjatar incursion while Tyrande and co are conveniently busy somewhere else so they can't be a part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    And you think that is quality writing or justifiable reason for absence?
    Yes?

    If anything - the most convenient characters miraculously popping up at the most convenient time is what bad writing is. Why it would be on the level of some shoddy C level school story if Tyrande and Malfurion would somehow be on that ship that was not even going to Nazjatar ending up in Nazjatar and confronting Azshara, all the while Ashenvale is getting wrecked - which it does right this moment.


    It would be akin to these shitty dramas where the same shitty interested party overhearing critical conversation between 2 characters play and this of all things driving the shitty plot forward and this being juggled around with the very same action pushing plot forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Darkshore a zone who's warfront Tyrande is absent in (only there for the pre-quest) and half the ngiht elves aren't even present - no illidari, no farondis, no shen'drlar, no shandris, , no dreamwardens, - only darnassian sentinel a, huntresses and the druids of that region..

    and you think the others not there shouldn't be leading their allies through their ancient capital, birth place of their race, and site of first contact with their goddess..

    I mean come on.!?
    Darkshore is not all there is to Night Elves and it's still pretty obviously contested, alongside with Ashenvale, which you can plainly read and discern from mission quests. So yes, she's there with her hubby and fighting for survival of her people.

    That takes precedence to everything. Even to Azshara. Why she spurned both Anduin and Elune for that - it's not a small thing and now you suddenly want her to throw that away and go hell knows where for hell knows what? Really?

    I think we've plenty established why she is not in Nazjatar from the beginning already, the only thing to cover is this "oh well she can take a portal" nonsense. This she could, but I bet that it's not her most pressing concern at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gfrancescolt86 View Post
    Blizzard clrearly thinks they have time to spare to have them standing next the other racial leaders for the extreme and important task of watching Anduin get a Ship.
    Also, things in Kalimdor seems to be more or less under control and are actually incharge of Maiev who's currently leading the assault on Darkshore.
    And as a final note, Blizzard are the ones who write these stories so it once again shows that cound't care less about night elves that they decided to plan Nazjatar incursion while Tyrande and co are conveniently busy somewhere else so they can't be a part of it.
    Kalimdor is not under control and it's definitely not in the clear. Other than that you yourself see how retarded is having her away from her people at this time, so what now - do this idiocy tenfold?

    If anything, you should be glad she saved herself from disgrace of being duped into freeing N'zoth while abandoning her people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Yes?

    If anything - the most convenient characters miraculously popping up at the most convenient time is what bad writing is. Why it would be on the level of some shoddy C level school story if Tyrande and Malfurion would somehow be on that ship that was not even going to Nazjatar ending up in Nazjatar and confronting Azshara, all the while Ashenvale is getting wrecked - which it does right this moment.


    It would be akin to these shitty dramas where the same shitty interested party overhearing critical conversation between 2 characters play and this of all things driving the shitty plot forward and this being juggled around with the very same action pushing plot forward.

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    Darkshore is not all there is to Night Elves and it's still pretty obviously contested, alongside with Ashenvale, which you can plainly read and discern from mission quests. So yes, she's there with her hubby and fighting for survival of her people.

    That takes precedence to everything. Even to Azshara. Why she spurned both Anduin and Elune for that - it's not a small thing and now you suddenly want her to throw that away and go hell knows where for hell knows what? Really?

    I think we've plenty established why she is not in Nazjatar from the beginning already, the only thing to cover is this "oh well she can take a portal" nonsense. This she could, but I bet that it's not her most pressing concern at the moment.

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    Kalimdor is not under control and it's definitely not in the clear. Other than that you yourself see how retarded is having her away from her people at this time, so what now - do this idiocy tenfold?

    If anything, you should be glad she saved herself from disgrace of being duped into freeing N'zoth while abandoning her people.
    I completly understand that Tyrande should be waging war in Kalimdor. What I'm upset about is that once again we are told and not shown things. All the fuzz about the ritual and we don't see her at all. And I'm mostly mad that Blizz chose to write the story about Azshara at the very same time Night Elves are busy somewhere else. They chose to leave them aside to face their former Queen and the person responsible for the biggest massacre their race has ever known. If devs really wanted to write good stuff for Night Elves they should've given us Azshara related things for later use in order to make NE a core aspect of that assault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Yes?

    If anything - the most convenient characters miraculously popping up at the most convenient time is what bad writing is. Why it would be on the level of some shoddy C level school story if Tyrande and Malfurion would somehow be on that ship that was not even going to Nazjatar ending up in Nazjatar and confronting Azshara, all the while Ashenvale is getting wrecked - which it does right this moment.


    It would be akin to these shitty dramas where the same shitty interested party overhearing critical conversation between 2 characters play and this of all things driving the shitty plot forward and this being juggled around with the very same action pushing plot forward.

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    Darkshore is not all there is to Night Elves and it's still pretty obviously contested, alongside with Ashenvale, which you can plainly read and discern from mission quests. So yes, she's there with her hubby and fighting for survival of her people.

    That takes precedence to everything. Even to Azshara. Why she spurned both Anduin and Elune for that - it's not a small thing and now you suddenly want her to throw that away and go hell knows where for hell knows what? Really?

    I think we've plenty established why she is not in Nazjatar from the beginning already, the only thing to cover is this "oh well she can take a portal" nonsense. This she could, but I bet that it's not her most pressing concern at the moment.

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    Kalimdor is not under control and it's definitely not in the clear. Other than that you yourself see how retarded is having her away from her people at this time, so what now - do this idiocy tenfold?

    If anything, you should be glad she saved herself from disgrace of being duped into freeing N'zoth while abandoning her people.
    Okay, it's obvious I dont agree with you, for reasons I have already stated. At this point I'd just be repeating myself.

    If you are happy with it, good for you. I actually prefer good stories that dint forget their earlier installments, and make the work feel like a grand tale because earlier stuff means something later on allowing those of us who have followed closely and enjoyed it, to connect well to the new stuff and see the things we loved get the progression and follow through that makes them and the time we spent buying reading and ultimately loving that stuff worth it, rather than this shameful amnesia t yet makes me feel like they either dont care to about their own story or are too lazy to connect all their dots.

    Missing kaldorei characters like Tyrande, Malfurion and Farindis against Azshara is pretty big. Night elves playing a small role against their queen in their ancient home in favour of humans .., I mean that's just ignoring them for the stuff that matters and relates to their lore.

    Sorry,I'm not satisfied at all, and disappointed with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    The circumstances of our landing in Nazjatar make Jaina's appearance there natural, she is the Lord Admiral and it's her fleet and her ship that gave chase to the Horde there.

    On the other hand Tyrande suddenly being there would make little sense because she has her hands full with war in Darkshore and Ashenvale, her homeland, to take some leisurely ship trips half the globe away.

    Basically it would make no sense for Tyrande to somehow appear in Nazjatar, while it makes perfect natural sense for Jaina to be there.

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    Bullshit, you talk about integrity and consistency, yet you somehow want Tyrande (currently busy fighting in her bloody homeland) or hell Farondis miraculously materialize on Alliance shit giving chase to Horde in open seas?

    You totally miss the context there - these Horde and Alliance fleets playing game of catch with each other had no clue they will even end up in Nazjatar. It was a complete surprise for Alliance whose mission was to basically intercept Horde fleet without any cue to why they were headed where they were headed let alone that they will end up in Nazjatar of all things.
    and against who is fighting tyrande? the commander of the horde was nathanos and he travels to nazjatar

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