Difficulty in raids, Encounter vs Class + Stats. What do you enjoy?

[kamuimac]

The problem with this is that classes are not simple, as we can see from examining raid logs. If everything were actually easy, you would expect people with similar gear to constantly parse within a few %. That is not the case. The delta between good and bad players remains enormous, so a lot of this is a false choice.

and it will only grow larger.

i agree with Preach on 1 thing which he pointed out in his video on new azerite traits. the delta between person who will be able to utilize and manage properly all procs (trinkets , azerite on 3 pieces and neck) will do incomparable dps to person who just spam basic buttons.

the difference will be bigger then ever before.

they went way to overboard with taids tuning. they should tune it down by at least 20-30% because what we have now dowsnt cater to anyone besides 1% of playerbase.

even if it means that those people will clear raids much sooner - good - but then more people will actually raid.

and what raiding scene now desperately needs is fresh blood and return of real semi-hardcore-casual guilds .

i sometimes wonder if it wouldnt be time to return to ICC/DS style of overtime nerfs for raids - since this is when it was golden age of raiding. (ICC i mean )

[capri sunset]

The problem with this is that classes are not simple, as we can see from examining raid logs. If everything were actually easy, you would expect people with similar gear to constantly parse within a few %. That is not the case. The delta between good and bad players remains enormous, so a lot of this is a false choice.

That has very little to do with classes, it's almost entirely down to pressing buttons on gcd, which worse players will always be bad at and even do worse as you add more complicated raid mechanics that demand more attention - as they have done while reducing class complexity.

[Tyris Flare]

Unless you want people just standing still and doing nothing in raids, that is inevitable.

But even on basically pure patchwerk fights like the 1st BoA boss there is still a huge difference in performance between people with the same gear.

[crakerjack]

I don't like needing specific classes. I like hard mechanics that require good hand/eye coordination. It sucks though when you raid with incompetent people who can't do mechanics at do their role at the same time. I've raided with people who keyboard/click and they told me they don't strafe at all. There was this BM hunter whose dps would fall off every time mechanics came around which caused them to move. I was puzzled because BM has the best mobility in the game and they don't have any casts. I started watching them closer and realized they wouldn't do dps while doing mechanics. They'd simply turn around and run toward the mechanic while ignoring their role to dps.

Bad players make raiding boring. I got sick of wiping when it was completely out of my control. It's like playing a solo campaign game and there being some aspect completely out of your hands that stops you from progressing.

[seleri]

Much prefer complicated encounters, it's no contest. Classes, especially DPS, always have been and always will be fairly easy to learn if you put in a shred of effort, unless they drastically change WoW's combat system. Managing stats is boring because, let's be honest, most people let a handful of theorycrafters do that for them and then just read a list of priorities or use something like Mr. Robot.

The way I see it, to keep things interesting they can either make varied encounters every patch or they can overhaul your class every patch. Learning encounters is much more fun, imo. I can't even imagine going back to encounters as simple as WotLK, much less something like Classic.