[Megathread] PlayStation 5

[draynay]

It doesn't even come with the stand...

[Edge-]

I'm just thinking that perhaps with Xbox tanking, Sony is less afraid(already) to release unsubsidized hardware.

Sony sold the PS5 at a loss for about 10 months or so, so this hasn't been relevant for around 3 years at this point. They're making money on each hardware sale, even if it's a small amount.

Sony with this pricing during a downturn is pretty crazy but maybe they are playing the long game...

Riiiiiidge Racer!

[PACOX]

I mean, in the US the price isn't nearly as bad as it is overseas(or perhaps in Canada).

Not here to defend the pricing. US has it the best, but pricing is very high. I will still get it, but not here to celebrate, this sucker is expensive.

It costs less than my 3080 though, and that piece of shit was just a 2080ti with shitty ray tracing nodes duct taped to it.

I means its fine if you don't already have a PS5 and can afford or an tech junkie. The hardware isn't bad, the difference base model and pro aren't something the average consumer need to worry about. Kind of reminds me of the pro controller, yeah its cool but the vast majority of people don't need to be paying that much for a controller.

[Attackrabbit]

Apparently it will do ray tracing at 60fps during races on GT7 which I'm sure will look even sweeter on VR than it already does...but that's sadly not enough to convince me to upgrade

[everydaygamer]

$959 in Canada. I'm definitely not impressed so far especially since it lacks the disc drive. Only way I see people upgrading is a promise of GTA 6 running 60fps exclusively on the Pro.

Other than that Longshot I have no clue what Sony could offer to make this more enticing.

[Aoewy]

Yeahh 1k here that will be a no for me. I'll just grab a regular PS5 I suppose, there are just a few games I'd like to play, others had port to PC and I'm fine with waiting.

[Redwyrm]

Is there potential for a price drop in the base/original model? I have been holding off on getting a PS5 until the library of games I want was big enough.

[Deus Mortis]

Is there potential for a price drop in the base/original model? I have been holding off on getting a PS5 until the library of games I want was big enough.

I highly doubt it. They just increased the base models price in Japan on the 2nd.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/27/sony...19percent.html

Sony
on Tuesday announced a price hike for its flagship PlayStation 5 console, even as the device enters its fourth year on the market.

The Japanese gaming giant said its suggested retail price for the PS5 is now 79,980 yen, or $553, up 19% from the previous price. The hike will take effect from Sept. 2.

Sony cited a challenging external environment, including fluctuations in the global economy, as the reason for the price increase.

[Redwyrm]

I highly doubt it. They just increased the base models price in Japan on the 2nd.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/27/sony...19percent.html

F THAT. If Sony wants to build an economic model going backwards then I will keep my money.

[SavoirFaire]

And here I am annoyed that the controller went up a few bucks.

I can’t imagine too many 3rd party devs bothering to push the limits on this.

[Jastall]

This seems way overly expensive to me. Most people who care about graphics brought up to that level likely have a thousands-dollar PC anyway.

There's a market for the Pro, but I doubt it's going to be a massive one. Nerds cream themselves at the idea of Ray Tracing but I think most everyday consumers hardly understand it let alone are able to make out the difference aside of extreme cases like Cyberpunk pushed to the max, and that console certainly won't be able to do it.

[gondrin]

Is it expensive? Yep. Is it worth the cost in general? Unknown right now as we don't know how much of an uplift it will be compared to the regular PS5 right now other than some images that Sony brough up. Is it worth it for someone who already has a PS5? Not really. The fact it doesn't come with a disc drive does suck and unless the next gen consoles are digital only, and yes that could happen as computers most definitely that way a long time ago, there is no reason to take away discs from consoles unless the games themselves are going to be so large that discs would be impractical. Similar from when games got far too big for 1.44 MB floppies and started to take up 10 - 15 floppies to install a game.

Compared to some other consoles, it is right in line for a premium product. The NeoGeo launched at $649.99 in 1990. Granted, there was a reason for the cost and it was pretty much able to play arcade boards at home.

[Daedius]

Safe to assume the PS5 Pro will not be poached by scalpers... can't imagine demand being high with that €800 price tag, jfc.

[Tech614]

Is there potential for a price drop in the base/original model? I have been holding off on getting a PS5 until the library of games I want was big enough.

No shot, they will put it on sale when they need to move inventory but no permanent price drops when it's still selling at launch price or even higher than launch price in the regions where they increased it.

[hellhamster]

€800 does feel ridiculous.

There is however the matter of the actual upgrade. A 45% self reported faster rendering is a pretty steep bump. However, if the GPU performance of the base PS5 is equivalent to a 2070, then a 45% increase will put the PS5 pro across a 7700 XT. As of right now, that GPU costs €450. The 2070 at its lowest point in its cycle was roughly €500. And I'm not even accounting for inflation, which should put that into a double digit percentage bump.

Even if we go with the best case scenario and the new PS5 having a GPU equivalent to a €500 4070, that still does not warrant a 60% price bump.

The other upgrades seem pretty meager, a 2TB SSD being the only real one. That still can't explain that increase in price.

Conclusion: Sony are just being extremely greedy. They release a product that costs the same as their previous one during release for a 60% higher price. They definitely lost money per console in the first few years back then, but it is irrelevant in the scheme of things as they made money for mandatory services and games on that product.

Edit: a console is still more attractive than building an equivalent gaming PC with the base PS5 parts looking purely at price/performance ratio, but the gap is getting narrow right now with the pro.

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Is it expensive? Yep. Is it worth the cost in general? Unknown right now as we don't know how much of an uplift it will be compared to the regular PS5 right now other than some images that Sony brough up. Is it worth it for someone who already has a PS5? Not really. The fact it doesn't come with a disc drive does suck and unless the next gen consoles are digital only, and yes that could happen as computers most definitely that way a long time ago, there is no reason to take away discs from consoles unless the games themselves are going to be so large that discs would be impractical. Similar from when games got far too big for 1.44 MB floppies and started to take up 10 - 15 floppies to install a game.

Compared to some other consoles, it is right in line for a premium product. The NeoGeo launched at $649.99 in 1990. Granted, there was a reason for the cost and it was pretty much able to play arcade boards at home.

The digital vs physical media debate has been raging for a long time, but the conclusion is already apparent: physical media has to stay for the sole reason of digital media becoming increasingly harder to find.

Physical copies of old Nintendo games are being sold for hundreds if not thousands of dollars because there is no way to relive these games other than developers emulating physical copies into digital ones for modern hardware, which will also become obsolete in a few years. Physical media is the only way to store them realistically, or you will become solely dependant on copyright owners re-releasing the same product, and that is if they feel like it.

Also a tiiiny correction concerning the NeoGeo pricing. You forgot inflation adjustment, $650 back then would be $1,564 today

[gondrin]

€800 does feel ridiculous.

There is however the matter of the actual upgrade. A 45% self reported faster rendering is a pretty steep bump. However, if the GPU performance of the base PS5 is equivalent to a 2070, then a 45% increase will put the PS5 pro across a 7700 XT. As of right now, that GPU costs €450. The 2070 at its lowest point in its cycle was roughly €500. And I'm not even accounting for inflation, which should put that into a double digit percentage bump.

Even if we go with the best case scenario and the new PS5 having a GPU equivalent to a €500 4070, that still does not warrant a 60% price bump.

The other upgrades seem pretty meager, a 2TB SSD being the only real one. That still can't explain that increase in price.

Conclusion: Sony are just being extremely greedy. They release a product that costs the same as their previous one during release for a 60% higher price. They definitely lost money per console in the first few years back then, but it is irrelevant in the scheme of things as they made money for mandatory services and games on that product.

Edit: a console is still more attractive than building an equivalent gaming PC with the base PS5 parts looking purely at price/performance ratio, but the gap is getting narrow right now with the pro.

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The digital vs physical media debate has been raging for a long time, but the conclusion is already apparent: physical media has to stay for the sole reason of digital media becoming increasingly harder to find.

Physical copies of old Nintendo games are being sold for hundreds if not thousands of dollars because there is no way to relive these games other than developers emulating physical copies into digital ones for modern hardware, which will also become obsolete in a few years. Physical media is the only way to store them realistically, or you will become solely dependant on copyright owners re-releasing the same product, and that is if they feel like it.

Also a tiiiny correction concerning the NeoGeo pricing. You forgot inflation adjustment, $650 back then would be $1,564 today

I was putting out the price when it launched not counting for inflation to put out there the fact that consoles have released for an insane amount before.

But as far as physical media goes, as sad as it is, it is going to get much harder to get it unless you shop online as a lot of stores are going to start to not carry it. Best Buy, Target and others are either completely getting rid of DVDs and other physical media as it pretty much is sold at cost or at a lost anymore.

Should it stay? Yes. There will always be a market for it but, like most things, that market is shrinking.