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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Daikoku View Post
    Only if you can find other videos where it can tank 5 man otherwise is just like Rogue full dodge tanking Illidan in TBC
    Pretty sure there has to be some hunter who managed to tank some dungeon with their pet

  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by pppbroom View Post
    But let's be honest, it's not gonna happen, as it's not gonna happen with druid tanks - people will be playing meta and same builds because they want to raid and if you want to raid you need to stay within the acceptable frames. Ofc, you can go against the flow and start tanking as paladin but nope, if you want success, you go heal or pick warrior as a tank.
    Clearly, you know NOTHING about vanilla other than BS forum talk from trolls who like you, NEVER played vanilla or PS.
    There will be plenty of Pally and Druid tanks, guarantee it. Make sure to check your ignorance at the door if you plan on playing classic. Your preconceived notions are utter nonsense.

    OP asked: "How are Paladins in 5 mans? Are they good at tanking/healing/dpsing?

    Do they have fun class quests?

    Going Human.

    Thanks."


    He is not talking about raids and quite frankly all the raid focus talk is getting ridiculous since it is such a minor part of classic and FAR FAR off from when you first create your toon. Raiding makes up like less than 5% of the classic experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collax View Post
    Druid have the worst aoe threat. And aoe threat is literally the only thing a paladin can do well (and better than any other tank). Tanks are rare for 5man anyway so anything that can tank be will be sought.
    WRONG, Feral tanks are the BEST threat tanks because maul's threat formula is multiplicative whereas heroic strike's is additive. Moreover, feral tanks can use manual crowd pummelers from Gnomer to increase their attack speed by 50% (yes, that means up to 50% more mauls if you have the rage for it, and you have a loooot of rage when raid bosses wail on you). There is no contest in this regard. Yes, damage on a feral tank is spikier but this matters less as they flask and acquire more stam gear. Maul + Swipe makes Druids one of the best AoE tanks and they are considered the strongest pre-raid tank.

    Edit: oh and BTW, Thunderclap in vanilla was NOT usable in Defense stance and only hit 3 mobs.
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  3. #103
    Tanking with a paly is a waste, better play as healer or dps supporting with BoK and cleanse, supporting with heals and maybe offtanking any add that hit the healer, its very fun to play that way and i will say its the way paly mean to be played

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    As long as you are in a group that knows what they are doing Pally tank will be fine until the end games dungeons.

    Not having a taunt or oom is a huge issue.

    Pally healer is best bar none

    Dont know much about Ret

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daikoku View Post
    Because having already played Vanilla both back at the original release and even after {even if there are some fishy stuff}, I have already saw and tested the limit of Prot Paladin.

    So anything on the line " durr Pala Prot vanilla me no saw ever so me think no working" is just a pile of bullshit from somebody that is trolling or never played during vanilla.



    Also we already discussed here the Pro and Cons of Prot Pala and what to expect if you want to play that spec, beside this is just people wasting time trying to nagging.
    Like I said, being realistic, you're not going to see paladins tanking anything significant. The only time you'll see a paladin tanking something is if they overgear it and if it's immune to taunt anyway. They weren't good for tanking in Vanilla. Their DPS as ret was horribly subpar. For the most part they were healers and buff bots.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Daikoku View Post
    Because having already played Vanilla both back at the original release and even after {even if there are some fishy stuff}, I have already saw and tested the limit of Prot Paladin.

    So anything on the line " durr Pala Prot vanilla me no saw ever so me think no working" is just a pile of bullshit from somebody that is trolling or never played during vanilla.



    Also we already discussed here the Pro and Cons of Prot Pala and what to expect if you want to play that spec, beside this is just people wasting time trying to nagging.
    To be fair, considering there's even video evidence of a Prot Paladin on a PS getting trucked in tier 2 gear with Thunderfury while trying to tank Strat, Paladins have a lot of issues with tanking.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Animalhouse View Post
    WRONG, Feral tanks are the BEST threat tanks because maul's threat formula is multiplicative whereas heroic strike's is additive.
    Yes that make them the best single target threat tank. Doesn't change the fact it suck to try to aoe tank with a druid, swipe is only 3 target and does shit threat. And spamming demo roar isnt good either. Meanwhile warrior and paladin can hold multiple mobs far better.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    To be fair, considering there's even video evidence of a Prot Paladin on a PS getting trucked in tier 2 gear with Thunderfury while trying to tank Strat, Paladins have a lot of issues with tanking.
    Then he wasn't doing something right. I used to tank the 5 mans with 31 points in Holy when it was current and I didn't have a full set of tier 2 or Thunderfury.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by collax View Post
    Yes that make them the best single target threat tank. Doesn't change the fact it suck to try to aoe tank with a druid, swipe is only 3 target and does shit threat. And spamming demo roar isnt good either. Meanwhile warrior and paladin can hold multiple mobs far better.
    Wait....what? Warriors are the worst AoE tank by far. Like, they have major issues effectively tanking more than 2 mobs at once. Paladins and Druids are much better at tanking 5 mans and need little if any CC.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Nasuuna View Post
    they can tank and heal fine in 5 mans.

    Their level 20 class quest is notorious for being epic. Having to treck to SFK, BFD, all over the place and do dungeons.

    Pallies are probably the best speedrun dungeon tank since they have the best aoe aggro, tho getting gear to do so is not easy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hey There Guys its Metro View Post
    Paladin tanks are extremely good for 5 mans. Their only downsides are a lack of end game gear suited to them, and not having a taunt.
    They don't need either, with how easy 5 mans are.
    People can be morons and pull before the tank or some how even pull threat off the tank, but they wont die as nothing hits particularly hard outside of larger group content.

    But if you then want to go on and tank raids, you will be holding your group back quite severely. Bear and warrior can just output so much more threat on a single target, to the point that DPS can unload without having to worry.

    My plan is to have paladin and druid 60 first, as they are both fun classes that offer a lot of flexibility and are generally desirable for all pve content.
    Sadly, have to be alliance for that. What a shame.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daikoku View Post
    Paladin are probably the best Tank for 5man while they are trash in Raid.

    Righterous Fury + Salvation = DPS without breaks

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    Just to be clear:
    Don't listen to what these people are saying.

    Paladins are garbage tanks in 5 mans. The only way they keep aggro is Consecration. Even if you're only fighting one trash mob, you'll have to use Consecration.

    The result is that a paladin tank will have to drink more often than the healer and most groups will not put up with that shit. Especially since druid tanks are readily available and much better than paladin tanks (since feral druids are both tanks and dps, they don't have to respec)

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Azezeil View Post
    Wait....what? Warriors are the worst AoE tank by far. Like, they have major issues effectively tanking more than 2 mobs at once. Paladins and Druids are much better at tanking 5 mans and need little if any CC.
    Warriors can spam battleshout with demoshout for aoe threat and that's basically all they need to do. Just use some specific aoe item on top and they should keep aggro on 10+ mobs decently.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by collax View Post
    Warriors can spam battleshout with demoshout for aoe threat and that's basically all they need to do. Just use some specific aoe item on top and they should keep aggro on 10+ mobs decently.
    Battle shout was bugged and patched soon after guilds were exploiting it to tank Nef phase 1. You also had to have everyone in your party removing it before a new one was applied. You’re not going to be holding threat with just spamming demo on secondary targets.

    If you’re using engi items to aoe tank 5 mans, you do you man, but typically people run 5 mans to make money not spend it. They do really make up for lack of aoe though.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustRob View Post
    Don't listen to what these people are saying.

    Paladins are garbage tanks in 5 mans. The only way they keep aggro is Consecration. Even if you're only fighting one trash mob, you'll have to use Consecration.

    The result is that a paladin tank will have to drink more often than the healer and most groups will not put up with that shit. Especially since druid tanks are readily available and much better than paladin tanks (since feral druids are both tanks and dps, they don't have to respec)
    That’s not true. Rank 1 Consecration is all that’s needed. Paladins have a very large amount of passive damage return that makes tanking very easy. Yes they will need to drink, but it’s no more than a healer will need to. They also do tons of damage. They can stay competitive with the damage dealers in the group when 5 mans are relevant for gearing.
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Azezeil View Post
    Battle shout was bugged and patched soon after guilds were exploiting it to tank Nef phase 1. You also had to have everyone in your party removing it before a new one was applied. You’re not going to be holding threat with just spamming demo on secondary targets.

    If you’re using engi items to aoe tank 5 mans, you do you man, but typically people run 5 mans to make money not spend it. They do really make up for lack of aoe though.
    This may come off as me not believing you, but trust me, it's not. Could you provide a source that battle shout was hotfixed at this time?

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Azezeil View Post
    That’s not true. Rank 1 Consecration is all that’s needed. Paladins have a very large amount of passive damage return that makes tanking very easy. Yes they will need to drink, but it’s no more than a healer will need to. They also do tons of damage. They can stay competitive with the damage dealers in the group when 5 mans are relevant for gearing.
    Rank 1 Consecration was strictly worse than Demo Shout, even when talented for Imp. Righteous Fury. We're taking something like 120 threat over it's total duration, or 15 Threat per Second. You'd be lucky to out pace a Renew ticking on you with it, let alone a DPS.

    When it came to reflective damage, Paladins only got the modifier on Holy damage. It was great for Retribution aura and Holy Shield, but it didn't affect other sources. It's a very poor argument to make in a Paladins favour though - Warriors and Druids could also benefit from relective damage, and at a higher modifier to boot. If you wanted to go out of your way, you could load up on Thorns, Fire Shield, Ret Aura, Crystal Spire, and throw on a Force Reactive Disk with a Shield Spike on it.

    Blessing of Sanctuary, while a Paladin skill, is also castable on other tanks too. When it comes down to it, the gap between other tanks and Paladins isn't anything like as large as you think. They got bonus threat from all sources of damage, as well as from applying buffs, debuffs, gaining rage, and so on. The Paladin only got bonus threat from Holy Damage, nothing else. All those little extra bits Warriors and Druids generate really does add up, and extremely fast too.

    All of which ignores the elephant in the room. Mobs need to be hitting you first for reflective damage to work at all. Paladins have no way to make that happen, Warriors and Druids do.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Mackeith View Post
    This may come off as me not believing you, but trust me, it's not. Could you provide a source that battle shout was hotfixed at this time?
    I was wrong, it was actually fixed in TBC pre-patch. It will do ~400 threat evenly spread over all mobs aggroed. Party members still need to remove the buff. Source is something I can’t link here. It’s an unsavory place but the post is credible from 2007.

  16. #116
    That’s not true. Rank 1 Consecration is all that’s needed. Paladins have a very large amount of passive damage return that makes tanking very easy. Yes they will need to drink, but it’s no more than a healer will need to. They also do tons of damage. They can stay competitive with the damage dealers in the group when 5 mans are relevant for gearing.
    It depends on the group.

    If you end up with classes without a limited resource (Rogue, Warrior) or those who are very mana-efficient (Warlock, Hunter) then you will definitely slow everyone down. A lot.
    And believe me, it will feel shitty when everyone is waiting for you to regen mana. Maybe it won't matter that much if you're paired with another "suboptimal" healer, like a Druid or Paladin without a healing set, but even your average healing Shadow Priest is much more mana efficient than you.

    Yes, you can tank instances just fine and I would do it as well if tanks are in very short supply (doing it atm on realms that shall not be named), but it won't be pretty. In general I would also suggest to go for a Damage / Healer playstyle during leveling, acting as a true support in both areas. This is where Paladins really shine. Wiping is hard if you have a backup healer who also has a sick amount of oh-shit buttons at his disposal.

    Speedrunning dungeons at 60 is another story though, I could see Paladins shine with the correct gear and group.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Animalhouse View Post
    Clearly, you know NOTHING about vanilla other than BS forum talk from trolls who like you, NEVER played vanilla or PS.
    There will be plenty of Pally and Druid tanks, guarantee it. Make sure to check your ignorance at the door if you plan on playing classic. Your preconceived notions are utter nonsense.
    Why you need to be so rude?

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Molis View Post
    As long as you are in a group that knows what they are doing Pally tank will be fine until the end games dungeons.

    Not having a taunt or oom is a huge issue.

    Pally healer is best bar none

    Dont know much about Ret
    Aren't most bosses in vanilla immune to taunt anyways?

  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Nasuuna View Post
    they can tank and heal fine in 5 mans.

    Their level 20 class quest is notorious for being epic. Having to treck to SFK, BFD, all over the place and do dungeons.

    Pallies are probably the best speedrun dungeon tank since they have the best aoe aggro, tho getting gear to do so is not easy.
    Notorious for being a huge pain in the ass more like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azkhane View Post
    Tanking with a paly is a waste, better play as healer or dps supporting with BoK and cleanse, supporting with heals and maybe offtanking any add that hit the healer, its very fun to play that way and i will say its the way paly mean to be played
    Tanked up until MC in all dungeons. Had no issues really. Was shocked I was forced into healing for raids because reasons.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by SirBeef View Post
    Notorious for being a huge pain in the ass more like it.

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    Tanked up until MC in all dungeons. Had no issues really. Was shocked I was forced into healing for raids because reasons.
    Reasons: no taunt, no tanking set, not many offset pieces with def skill, no def skill cap = crit and getting crited un raid is death, no resource generation and fights were long AF.

    In dungeons paly can be ok, but is a better healer or support, tanking a Dungeon with a paly is like cleaning your ass with $20 bills, you can? Yes. It Will clean your ass? Yes. Its a waste because It can be used better? YES, absolutely

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