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    Constantly retconning and ignroing former lore makes the story garbage

    I'm sure most of you have seen this a while now, but please tell me how on the one hand, blizzard can write some really good stories as individual pieces, and at the next moment, just savage their entire work by either poor or unnecessary retcons or completely ignoring elements from their previous story that athey had built up and focused on. Set up an interesting vast and diverse world, with really cool stuff, but not bother to make it hold up in integrity across multiple platforms adneven in time as they progress their story with expansions.. ALL the former info is there and the people who wrote it still alive. what is going on?

    Remember how tiny a role Sylvanas played in WotLK against Arthas who was supposed to be the reason or her revenge, yet Garrosh and Thrall were all over it.. iw as like wtf are they doing there, does blizzard even remember how much this means to her.

    The also minute role the blood elves played too, - as if they didn't care that this was important.

    They did it in TBC ofc, remember how in TFT, the night elves, Malfurion/Tyrnade were all involved with stopping Arthas and Illidan etc, yet come TBC that continues the story - poof - vanished (okay Malfurion had an excuse), but Tyrande? Night elves only showed up when the Cenarion circle was doing business, so they obviously remembered to include druids, but no night elf relevance.

    Do you remember how Thrall was awol in the siege of the city he founded, with his horde threatened, but had some lame excuse of being shattered by killing Garrosh - at least they gave him the excuse.

    Do you remember how humans played a larger role the alliance efforts in WoD than the freaking Draenei themselves, how your Garrison was human instead of Draenei.. but that wasn't that bad.

    Come Legion, notice how the Darnassian Kaldorei who have this major beef with the legion, do nothing against them directly. Tyrande is off chsing malfurion in Val'sharh who is concerned about the nightmare, and that's it. She leaves him at the end to uphold her oath to her goddess defending her temple and lands, but is completely absent along with her order when the attack on the Tomb of Sargeras their most holy temple begins - instead the class orders kick in, but somehow blizzard finds it difficult to have the Order of Elune working with or directing the class orders or the adventurer.

    Neither are they present in the final assault against the legion alongside the Draenei on the vindicaar - you'd think with Illidan returned, they'd be massive interaction.
    ABsent most ofthem arein Suramar too, where most of them come from. initially they had Vereessa doing the alliance stuff which was fine, but could easily have had the Order of leune leading the other kaldorei on their own separate thing.

    Now get to BFA, and we finally go to Naz'jatar, to fight Azshara, the night elf queen who started it off, none of the night elves are there save Shandris in any major way.. as if they forgotten all their previous work, like what we read in WotA, that had Tyrande so set up as the opposite and nemsis of Azshara, Malfurion who foils her plans, and was all about stopping her evil plans for both their people and the world. Or even Farondis who is set up in 7.0 against Azshara major time.

    How am I suppose to enjoy the lore, if I read all these things, buy all those stupid books, get immersed in the story they tell, and their is FUCK ALL continuity when it matters. They'd rather throw completely unrelated people like JAINA having a starring role rather than Tyrande or Malfurion or Farondis, that the darnassian kaldorei are once again completely missing in their own former capital, cradle of creation from the arcane, and the place they first discerned their goddess..

    I mean wtf - it's like none of the previous stuff matters. I don't mind Thrall and garrosh in WotLK, but why do they have more limelight and roles than Sylvannas, the forsaken and the blood elves? I don't begrudge Jaina or Lor'themar being in Naz'jatar, cool, but why do they have more going than the kaldorei and others like Tyrande, Malfurion, Farondis or Evenshade, the Shadowsongs etc aren't there at all - like we haven't had enough of Jaina… it's like leaving Jaina out of Thermaore or out of Kul'tiras.. I mean come on blizz. Great to see stuff and role for Thalyssra - but what about Farondis?

    If we are to care about the story , stop retconning un-necessarily, and properly weight current events in a way that is consistent with what you have already released. You start stories and plots, and you just abandon them left right and center. Classic is filled with unfinsiehd stuff 17 years later, no one even knows.. it's RUBBISh -- how do you expect people to care about the whole project when you don't even seem to remember what you write?

    It's not just about checking facts of the things you release, I know you have fact checkers, you should have people who point out to you "hey … you're focusing on the wrong people here because you have already set up these other people with the main connection, it looks really bad and disjointed if they're not there"

    I'm sorry, but even though the individual stories can sometimes be really good, the overall thing is disjointed and a mess, with little continuity, terrible consistency, and lots of plot holes. not to mention some of the decisions you have made are like..wtf.. does anyone understand conflict or politics here? Or care about consistency?

    Disappointed, most of your audience have grown up with wow, and remember the early stuff, we are no longer kids or teens, many of us are in our 20s, 30s and 40s - and you are still selling and declaring as canon your old stuff.

    It's just rubbish. you're ruining what could have been a really cool thing, for quick thrills, and most people see through it.

    i'm sorry, but Creative writing is SERIOUSLY letting down the project by failing in this aspect. Half of your retcons aren't necessary, evne things yo u have to do for gameplay, could be handled better and made to fit better in a way that enhances and adds to your story rather than hacks it to shreds. I'm no acclaimed writer, I enjoy entertainment, reading, watching etc, but this is really low.. I keep expecting more and more and more, and keep being disappointed.

    EDIT ADD:
    to quote another player who said something I think is spot on in another topic:
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    The writers say that the Horde didn't learn its lesson even thought its their own fucking choice to write it that way.


    They then go so far off the deep end with Teldrasil that no one would ever forgive or forget only to have the Alliance work with a cowardly Saurfang who's suicidal/regretful and therefore his entire plan of stomping the night elves all the way to Teldrassil is brushed over by everyone but one angry sentence from Shaw and the night elves.

    The Horde goes from trying to kill Jaina to willingly work with her, Saurfang screams "We don't want any trouble" when he's caught sneaking in Orgrimmar with Jaina and Shaw. and the Horde defends Jaina from sunreavers.

    The writing has never been worse, its best that you accept that regardless of side Blizzard at this point doesn't care about consistency, and I would REALLY like to know who the fuck they think they are pleasing with this story.


    Teldrassil was Blizzard's attempt to be dark and Game of Thronsey, which turns into a laughing stock when they chicken out and try to blame it all on Sylvanas, even when originally they tried to tell us "The person who burned it isn't who you would expect." It's going to be brushed over because the writers are beyond terrible, if they have the Alliance acknowledge Teldrassil this ruins their "Narrative" they are trying to push.

    "Alliance and Horde are meant to be friends."

    If the Alliance demands and pursues revenge/justice, then the Writers have a meltdown, suddenly Horde can begin to justify Sylvanas's "They will try to break us" mantra, If Sylvanas gains justification then not everyone will want to listen to the Wisdom of Anduin. Of course Teldrassil isn't something that can be forgotten, and because the writers either regret taking it that far or simply can't handle writing about it they will try to forget it.

    Of course this means the writers will try to blame everything on Sylvanas, the thought of having the Horde that were there during the war of thorns taking blame instead of a single character sends shivers down their spine.

    It is easier (Even if it fails horribly) to try to make Saurfang the sad victim of trickery, a pathetic attempt at preserving the "Honor " of the Horde, thus creating a shitty narrative shield in which the Horde doesn't need to to be attacked by the Alliance in revenge because they are already suffering penance.

    Expect a retcon saying "not that many night elves died" or Tyrande killing the night elves who want revenge in the name of peace, but you're never going to get satisfaction because the writers are afraid of the bed they made and set it on fire.

    TLDR you'll get no Teldrassil acknowledgement or revenge because that would mean ripping apart the feeble duct-tape skeleton the writers have the audacity to say they are proud of this expansion.
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    You forgot quite some more, like the whole "orcs has ever big businesses against the Legion yet we see none" or suddenly lightforging demons and undead, or having Before the Storm crapping on every piece of Forsaken lore, or having blood Elves do nothing about Legion as well, or having plenty of characters promising to appear just to do nothing (remember the Undercity monster, or the supposed reeducation Koltira was about to receive, or Tyrus Blackhorn?)

    The problem is, Blizzard does not seem to have anybody employed to look up the lore, memorize it, and tell the debe "you can/should do this, instead of that".
    And when you have such a big lore, such a person is badly needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasVonTzeskagrad View Post
    You forgot quite some more, like the whole "orcs has ever big businesses against the Legion yet we see none" or suddenly lightforging demons and undead, or having Before the Storm crapping on every piece of Forsaken lore, or having blood Elves do nothing about Legion as well, or having plenty of characters promising to appear just to do nothing (remember the Undercity monster, or the supposed reeducation Koltira was about to receive, or Tyrus Blackhorn?)

    The problem is, Blizzard does not seem to have anybody employed to look up the lore, memorize it, and tell the debe "you can/should do this, instead of that".
    And when you have such a big lore, such a person is badly needed.
    Exactly. I really think this is true. They have a fact checker.. but the fact checker is there to make sure the stuff they write doesn't have any lore mistakes in it.. not there to remind them hey, you should have this ehre or that there.

    I know I left a lot out, I was hoping others who remembered would add them here. We all probably just pick up on the ones we notice the most because of where are interests lie, but there is so much stuff, you're like wtf..?

    This is what fans really enjoy them ost Wel ove to see great conclusions, progressions, development of our facourite stories, characters and races. But the development of our favourite stories are crap when they leave or forget most of the stuff from the first instalments out htat should be there, same with characters when they forget them, and off course races whot hey seem to be incapable of progressing if they're not human or blood elf.

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    Well this you really boiled down this thread to "I want more Night Elves in the main story". Night Elves had enough spotlight, so I don't agree with your points (Though I also agree that shoving humans into our faces constantly makes the story boring).

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    It's not about having more Night Elves, it's about continuing stories that make sense.

    I agree with OP. There were a lot of people that had established stories about the Legion. They should have been leading the fight, not Turalyon. Don't get me wrong, I love Turalyon and he has long been a favourite character of mine but why on Earth was he central? Why did he need to come back for that? Why did we need an undiscovered remnant Draenei tribe? We had the Exodar Draenei, Orcs, Belves and probably others who had a long history against the Legion.

    I think stories need to be followed through, like Arthas from WC3 TFT to WotlK, rather than starting heaps of new ones.
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    The lore of Warcraft so far is really large, especially considering there is tons of lore just in books and other sources than just the game. Actually, there is a bit too much of it to all keep it in sync with each other. It's obvious that lore mess-ups happen in such cases. I think Blizzard would be way better off with just focusing on one partricular storyline instead of 20 different smaller ones at once. Warcraft 3 was a succes storywise because of this. If you'd ask me what BfA is about right now, I wouldn't know what their main focus would be.

    But there also is a lot of lore that is just... weird. I mean, the Nether and Demons been able to reform after not getting killed in it or near fel, doesn't make any sense. I'd say such things are a lot more infuriating than the smaller things that do not align with each other and because of that, have to be retconned.

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    I liked the storyline where Sylvanas was struggling with keeping her humanity. And they just drop it. I think things like that make not invest in bfa storylines. I'm thinking "why should I care about the Sethrak when I bet they are ignored forever once bfa is over??" And that makes things like the Temple of Sethralis 5man very boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I liked the storyline where Sylvanas was struggling with keeping her humanity. And they just drop it.
    I'm sorry, can you please tell me which storyline that was? TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    I'm sorry, can you please tell me which storyline that was? TIA
    You had a bunch of examples of Sylvanas being different as she is now, even in seconds pre-BfA.
    You had when in BC you brought a necklace from Alleria to Sylvanas and she got angry, sad and nostalgic at the same time.
    You had all the claims she did about the rights of the Forsaken in Cataclysm, wich by that time were relevant although not that respected.
    You had Sylvanas during War Crimes wanting her sister to join her so they could be a family once more, then getting mad when she rejected only because of her children (a living thing she was kinda losing connection to, and already stroke in her deep feels of rejection from literally everybody).
    You had Sylvanas actually admiring Vol'jin's ability to lead the Horde effortlessly, and showing loyalty to him at the expense of her own desires. All while also coming to admire Varian to the point of wanting to get back to save him personally in the Broken Shore (sad thing he died before she could even try).
    You had Sylvanas risking one of her most valuable agents and source of forsaken, just because she could not stand the vision of her former love decaying over time while she stood safe from that fate.
    You even had Sylvanas throwing her own assassination of the other Windrunners to the garbage can simply because Vereesa showed even although she didn't join her she loved her all the same and felt terrible things were going the way they were going.

    Sylvanas was always a struggling, psychologically troubled character, it was the beauty of her (besides badassery and looks).
    Try to find any of that inner conflict in her now.
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    Even if the writers made a comment about burn out (as in, we'd get too tired of these characters too quickly) I find it funny it doesn't apply to their 50 shades of British Humans.

    I feel fatigued when I spend too much time with the same characters/races. I think the NEs biggest mistake was making Tyrande and Malfurion way too important in too much of the lore. They honestly shouldn't have a reason to stick their fingers in everything, but they do. Yet instead of changing those reasons, they just ignore them and the characters. Tbh the writing team needs to take advantage of its multifaceted story to rotate faces, so interactions are more meaningful and interesting. Over building a character to the point you can't use them is bad practice. Worse is ignoring them and failing to address the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Exactly. I really think this is true. They have a fact checker.. but the fact checker is there to make sure the stuff they write doesn't have any lore mistakes in it.. not there to remind them hey, you should have this ehre or that there.

    I know I left a lot out, I was hoping others who remembered would add them here. We all probably just pick up on the ones we notice the most because of where are interests lie, but there is so much stuff, you're like wtf..?

    This is what fans really enjoy them ost Wel ove to see great conclusions, progressions, development of our facourite stories, characters and races. But the development of our favourite stories are crap when they leave or forget most of the stuff from the first instalments out htat should be there, same with characters when they forget them, and off course races whot hey seem to be incapable of progressing if they're not human or blood elf.
    I don't think they even have a fact checker. Otherwise we won't have dead characters such as Orux or Stillwater being follower quests enemies, or everyone ignoring Theramore was pretty much an Alliance fortress at the time Tides of War happened.

    I personally think whoever is writing plot lines should really reread the stuff they do before writing. And try races that never get real spotlight to get it more often (remember dwarves? Me neither, and I love them)

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    Be honest, I dont think Blizzard has fact checker at all. They just follow the rule of cool.

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    I kinda agree with everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevano View Post
    The lore of Warcraft so far is really large, especially considering there is tons of lore just in books and other sources than just the game. Actually, there is a bit too much of it to all keep it in sync with each other. It's obvious that lore mess-ups happen in such cases. I think Blizzard would be way better off with just focusing on one partricular storyline instead of 20 different smaller ones at once. Warcraft 3 was a succes storywise because of this. If you'd ask me what BfA is about right now, I wouldn't know what their main focus would be.

    But there also is a lot of lore that is just... weird. I mean, the Nether and Demons been able to reform after not getting killed in it or near fel, doesn't make any sense. I'd say such things are a lot more infuriating than the smaller things that do not align with each other and because of that, have to be retconned.
    It’s amazing that it is large. And so diverse with lots of characters groups etc. I love that about it, but they are a company. Creative is the heart of media project. The worlds rich diversity and many characters are brought to focus and relevance through the stories they tell.

    It just feels very sloppy to miss big things like that and not have or make room to show Orcs in legion for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I liked the storyline where Sylvanas was struggling with keeping her humanity. And they just drop it. I think things like that make not invest in bfa storylines. I'm thinking "why should I care about the Sethrak when I bet they are ignored forever once bfa is over??" And that makes things like the Temple of Sethralis 5man very boring.

    I liked that too. I am still hoping that her actions have been manipulated and she comes out of it.

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    What do you expect from the team that brought you "My team believes that continuity exists to enhance a story, not to tie the hands of creators"?

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    Honestly, I think there is a big case for blizzard being overly scared of "X fatigue" now, so they disconnect everything in game to avoid that reaction.
    Outisde of content patches, you could easily forget that there was a legion invasion going on in the broken isles, because each story felt so disconnected except for the part where you get a pillar at the end. Likewise, I think BfA sacrificed the most interesting part of faction war (the skirmishes without big names and drama, just soldier v soldier) because they were afraid of faction/human/orc fatigue, and instead we were only left with the worst of it (exagerated, senseless faction leader drama)

    Imagine if instead of helping the Zandalari and Kultiran, most of the leveling experience, and therefore world quests, had focused on smaller scale battles spread throghout one/two continent(s)
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    I agree with OP in everything. We need some human slayer character or villain so the humans won't get the spotlight if their numbers are culled, but then again Blizzard current writers wants to write only humans because they are "easy" to explore and they still fail miserably on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Do you remember how Thrall was awol in the siege of the city he founded, with his horde threatened, but had some lame excuse of being shattered by killing Garrosh - at least they gave him the excuse.
    Seige of Orgrimmar? Did you never complete that raid? He was there. We're specifically told he went on ahead to confront Garrosh himself. He was just unable to defeat an Old God Enhanced Garrosh.

    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasVonTzeskagrad View Post
    Sylvanas was always a struggling, psychologically troubled character, it was the beauty of her (besides badassery and looks).Try to find any of that inner conflict in her now.
    Because that conflict was dealt with when Arthas fell.She was shown not only her fate, but the fate of her people too... extermination due to Garrosh's bungling. So she made the pact with the Val'kyr and returned.

    She also had a shift in her thinking to. She once referred to her rangers as "Arrows in her quiver" when she sent them on a suicide mission to delay the Scourge in a failed attempt in bolstering the defenses of the Sunwell. She used the same terminology again to describe the Forsaken... arrows in her quiver that she will fire at Arthas.

    Not so anymore.

    "The army of undead that surrounded and protected the Dark Lady was still hers, body and soul. But they were no longer arrows in her quiver, not anymore."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eosia View Post
    Seige of Orgrimmar? Did you never complete that raid? He was there. We're specifically told he went on ahead to confront Garrosh himself. He was just unable to defeat an Old God Enhanced Garrosh.



    Because that conflict was dealt with when Arthas fell.She was shown not only her fate, but the fate of her people too... extermination due to Garrosh's bungling. So she made the pact with the Val'kyr and returned.

    She also had a shift in her thinking to. She once referred to her rangers as "Arrows in her quiver" when she sent them on a suicide mission to delay the Scourge in a failed attempt in bolstering the defenses of the Sunwell. She used the same terminology again to describe the Forsaken... arrows in her quiver that she will fire at Arthas.

    Not so anymore.

    "The army of undead that surrounded and protected the Dark Lady was still hers, body and soul. But they were no longer arrows in her quiver, not anymore."
    That conflict never really ended. In fact, it got stronger because after the LK died she could no longer hide from that conflict under the idea of killing herself. It was at that moment when she realized to what point was she rejected by everything. And thus since then she had to plan how to survive in a world that wanted her dead and rotting in some nasty place of the Shadowlands. Her bound with the Forsaken grew deeper as she no longer saw them as just "the means to get one punctual revenge" but as "the ones who can protect her from death", thus she actively focused on ensuring their positions of power in Lordaeron and search for ways to supply them with new Forsaken.

    And still, while facing troubles increasingly different from the ones of the living, she still had her connection with the past there. A past she painted better most of the times, either when thinking of her former life, and when she thought of those times she was no Warchief, but Dark Lady.

    Ending her WotLK arch was not the big problem. Ignoring all her character interesting bits for almost a year already while they do nothing but depict her as some sort of dumbass Boogeywoman is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I'm sure most of you have seen this a while now, but please tell me how on the one hand, blizzard can write some really good stories as individual pieces, and at the next moment, just savage their entire work by either poor or unnecessary retcons or completely ignoring elements from their previous story that athey had built up and focused on. Set up an interesting vast and diverse world, with really cool stuff, but not bother to make it hold up in integrity across multiple platforms adneven in time as they progress their story with expansions.. ALL the former info is there and the people who wrote it still alive. what is going on?

    Remember how tiny a role Sylvanas played in WotLK against Arthas who was supposed to be the reason or her revenge, yet Garrosh and Thrall were all over it.. iw as like wtf are they doing there, does blizzard even remember how much this means to her.

    The also minute role the blood elves played too, - as if they didn't care that this was important.

    They did it in TBC ofc, remember how in TFT, the night elves, Malfurion/Tyrnade were all involved with stopping Arthas and Illidan etc, yet come TBC that continues the story - poof - vanished (okay Malfurion had an excuse), but Tyrande? Night elves only showed up when the Cenarion circle was doing business, so they obviously remembered to include druids, but no night elf relevance.

    Do you remember how Thrall was awol in the siege of the city he founded, with his horde threatened, but had some lame excuse of being shattered by killing Garrosh - at least they gave him the excuse.

    Do you remember how humans played a larger role the alliance efforts in WoD than the freaking Draenei themselves, how your Garrison was human instead of Draenei.. but that wasn't that bad.

    Come Legion, notice how the Darnassian Kaldorei who have this major beef with the legion, do nothing against them directly. Tyrande is off chsing malfurion in Val'sharh who is concerned about the nightmare, and that's it. She leaves him at the end to uphold her oath to her goddess defending her temple and lands, but is completely absent along with her order when the attack on the Tomb of Sargeras their most holy temple begins - instead the class orders kick in, but somehow blizzard finds it difficult to have the Order of Elune working with or directing the class orders or the adventurer.

    Neither are they present in the final assault against the legion alongside the Draenei on the vindicaar - you'd think with Illidan returned, they'd be massive interaction.
    ABsent most ofthem arein Suramar too, where most of them come from. initially they had Vereessa doing the alliance stuff which was fine, but could easily have had the Order of leune leading the other kaldorei on their own separate thing.

    Now get to BFA, and we finally go to Naz'jatar, to fight Azshara, the night elf queen who started it off, none of the night elves are there save Shandris in any major way.. as if they forgotten all their previous work, like what we read in WotA, that had Tyrande so set up as the opposite and nemsis of Azshara, Malfurion who foils her plans, and was all about stopping her evil plans for both their people and the world. Or even Farondis who is set up in 7.0 against Azshara major time.

    How am I suppose to enjoy the lore, if I read all these things, buy all those stupid books, get immersed in the story they tell, and their is FUCK ALL continuity when it matters. They'd rather throw completely unrelated people like JAINA having a starring role rather than Tyrande or Malfurion or Farondis, that the darnassian kaldorei are once again completely missing in their own former capital, cradle of creation from the arcane, and the place they first discerned their goddess..

    I mean wtf - it's like none of the previous stuff matters. I don't mind Thrall and garrosh in WotLK, but why do they have more limelight and roles than Sylvannas, the forsaken and the blood elves? I don't begrudge Jaina or Lor'themar being in Naz'jatar, cool, but why do they have more going than the kaldorei and others like Tyrande, Malfurion, Farondis or Evenshade, the Shadowsongs etc aren't there at all - like we haven't had enough of Jaina… it's like leaving Jaina out of Thermaore or out of Kul'tiras.. I mean come on blizz. Great to see stuff and role for Thalyssra - but what about Farondis?

    If we are to care about the story , stop retconning un-necessarily, and properly weight current events in a way that is consistent with what you have already released. You start stories and plots, and you just abandon them left right and center. Classic is filled with unfinsiehd stuff 17 years later, no one even knows.. it's RUBBISh -- how do you expect people to care about the whole project when you don't even seem to remember what you write?

    It's not just about checking facts of the things you release, I know you have fact checkers, you should have people who point out to you "hey … you're focusing on the wrong people here because you have already set up these other people with the main connection, it looks really bad and disjointed if they're not there"

    I'm sorry, but even though the individual stories can sometimes be really good, the overall thing is disjointed and a mess, with little continuity, terrible consistency, and lots of plot holes. not to mention some of the decisions you have made are like..wtf.. does anyone understand conflict or politics here? Or care about consistency?

    Disappointed, most of your audience have grown up with wow, and remember the early stuff, we are no longer kids or teens, many of us are in our 20s, 30s and 40s - and you are still selling and declaring as canon your old stuff.

    It's just rubbish. you're ruining what could have been a really cool thing, for quick thrills, and most people see through it.

    i'm sorry, but Creative writing is SERIOUSLY letting down the project by failing in this aspect. Half of your retcons aren't necessary, evne things yo u have to do for gameplay, could be handled better and made to fit better in a way that enhances and adds to your story rather than hacks it to shreds. I'm no acclaimed writer, I enjoy entertainment, reading, watching etc, but this is really low.. I keep expecting more and more and more, and keep being disappointed.
    I think the team that figures out the lore for the game is too focused on gameplay and then the book writers have to fix their shit. And these devs keep fucking up patch after patch. You forgot for ex that in the Illidan questline Broxigar was fighting side by side with him where in the book he hated Illidan to the core for setting him on fire cause emo and some other reasons. The devs are either mentally handicapped or dont care too much. The main problem is US the players who just ride a neverending loop between hatred and stockholm syndrome, calling shit out and then accepting their excuses or even their arrogant behaviour like it happened with many interviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eosia View Post
    Seige of Orgrimmar? Did you never complete that raid? He was there. We're specifically told he went on ahead to confront Garrosh himself. He was just unable to defeat an Old God Enhanced Garrosh.



    Because that conflict was dealt with when Arthas fell.She was shown not only her fate, but the fate of her people too... extermination due to Garrosh's bungling. So she made the pact with the Val'kyr and returned.

    She also had a shift in her thinking to. She once referred to her rangers as "Arrows in her quiver" when she sent them on a suicide mission to delay the Scourge in a failed attempt in bolstering the defenses of the Sunwell. She used the same terminology again to describe the Forsaken... arrows in her quiver that she will fire at Arthas.

    Not so anymore.

    "The army of undead that surrounded and protected the Dark Lady was still hers, body and soul. But they were no longer arrows in her quiver, not anymore."
    Still shit writing. She should have gotten more screentime along with the philosophical shadowlands bullshit blabla. She should have been the one to stab him in the eye after he fell. The Lich King facing DEATH literally would have been quite prophetic. W/E we got the end where it was players plus Tirion, somehow every other major character was on a lunch break. And the whole Sylvannas Shadowlands trip isnt even mentioned in the game. ITS FUCKING STUUUPID!!! Again and again it looks like writers come up with a story to somehow compensate for lazy devs.

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