My nostalgic delusions about Vanila as competitive player back than.

[chrisnumbers]

Bad troll is bad, at least try...

I'd be shocked if this was a troll. They haven't posted on MMOC in 3 years.

[Deficineiron]

So I've been out from WoW for quite some time (2013) but classic bring memories (vanila 450days played) as competitive RL, theorycrafter (hi ElitistJerks!), mage 672spell dmg and 33% crit and than top feral in next expansions.

Let me tell things that I havent seen being mentioned or taken deep thought.
I might consider playing very casually but things need to be taken with a bit of a thought.

1. Debuff limit this has to go or increased limit. Its just plain wrong and stupid to have those discussions. This will need balancing though.
2. Gear/Items stat remaster/balancing. For many classes you DO NOT WANT to wear Epic quality stuff untill VERY VERY late in the game (even BWL+), the blue items are often superior to BWL+ gear. Basic example is spell damage/crit gear for mages. On top of that many epic items are useless for even offspecs due to terrible stat alocation making some offspec classes literally UNPLAYABLE.
3. Shaman/Paladin for both factions.
4. Anyone remember shaman totems affecting only his 5 man group in a raid? On top of shuffling them in group for Mana Tides for damage/healers etc? Make totems raid wide? Back than groups were not locked in combat due to it.
7. Buffing needs to be AOE raid wide.
8. Some specs need A LOT LOVE in both spell balancing/mana/talents and item stat alocation to make them vialable. This will be tough on people who will eventually get cornered into 1 spec or rerolling due to being useless if they want to raid as certain type of class i.e dmg dealer/tank/healer.




17. Due to many above there needs to be done quite sophisticated encounter balancing and I guess player skill level raised over the years though im not sure about the latter ;D

most of what I excerpted above would require your 17 to happen to avoid this functioning as a mass nerf. I think it would be much more likely they would do some or all of your list and NOT re-balance bosses.

shamans/paladins actually could happen (there was no lore reason to keep blood elves out of classic after having played them in war3), and would greatly simplify the rebalancing I don't think would happen anyway.

[Fascinate]

I never said I want to go back to raiding, nor I think I have time to dedicate myself to it. You are missing the point, its purely sharing experience. I don't think there are many players left on current servers that experienced and remember the Vanilla experience past MC, I wish to be proven wrong though.

My guess is there will be a lot players appealed to Classic, but their idea and expectations will hit the reality fast.
Vanila to this days is very idealised becouse of nostalgy, but my idea is to share some experiences that might have been forgotten.

My personal opinion is that Vanilla was trully about raiding. The content almost solely was about raiding, many might not agree but if you didn't raid there was very few things to do beside grinds which purpose was again raiding in most cases. PVP? You must raid!

Shall I even bother to say that I think you guys don't even read what is written?

You are lost in the sauce my dude lol. Most people never even saw molten core. Dungeons/pvp/leveling/twinking were far more popular activities, and im sure blizzard has the numbers to support this.

And classic needs to stay classic for reasons, reasons that should be very obvious to people....especially someone who claims to have played then.

[vsb]

No changes please! Classic is not for you.

[Driahtvacahtve]

It's been said a lot, but part of the charm about vanilla is all the stuff you are listing. It's a package kind of thing. You make a change here and there, adjust and tinker..
And then suddenly it isn't the same game anymore. I can't speak for everyone, but I will be playing the hell out of classic for years to come exactly BECAUSE it is as close a simulation to the original vanilla as Blizzard can realistically manage. The whole "change this and that to make it a better game" will in my case at least not make it a better game, it will remove the entire point in going back to play it. I don't want a new wow, or indeed a new game at all. I essentially want to return to the game of the past.

I assume I am not alone in this, since Blizzard appears to be listening very much to this particular sentiment. It seems there must be some sort of audience for this.
For the same of this audience who wanted the original vanilla experience back (for years now), and the gaming experience they are now finally having returned to them (by the looks of it), I at least personally would appreciate if people would tune down the epiphany posts that appear a lot where some person comes to tell we that dwell in the classic forum how vanilla should have this or that and would be much better if only Blizzard did so and so. We know vanilla isn't balanced. We know it was a total mess. This is the experience we want. We don't want anyone to "fix"it, we are happy with it as it is. We want it as it is. And we (I assume I'm not alone, but I fully realize there are many others who indstead DO want a tuned and adapted vanilla) are by the looks of how Blizzard is handling this the main target audience.

Obviously this is a forum and people can discuss and suggest anything they want, but it is quite honestly rather disrespectful towards those of us who know exactly what vanilla was, and exactly what kind of classic we will be getting if they dont make drastic changes, to insinuate that we "are in for a rude awakening" and such things.
Your suggestions are fair from a balancing point of view but they would ruin the entire point of what Blizzard is trying to do, so I think, as sorry as I am to say it, that WoW classic is probably not aimed at people like you. We will see what the future brings, but for now I think your "I might be interested, but they would need to change these 17 things first"-list is likely better aimed at a more "once classic has run for a while, provided there is an audience for it, if there were to be a nuanced somewhat adjusted version this is my wishlist" kind of thread, rather than suggest changes at the version coming out this summer where such changes have specifically been rejected thoroughly for the very reason to avoid changing anything on the gameplay level.
It's a bit like making a 17 point list of suggestions to change the Starbucks Latte into fruit juice. I'm sure a lot of arguments could be made why fruit juice would better, but people are likely ordering the latte because they want coffee (or milk). Those that want fruit juice should instead perhaps try another store?

[Thunderball]

Did you even read anything or are you just eager to show off how dumb you can sound?

I'm really eager to show how much I want retail kids have as little as possible with Classic.

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shamans/paladins actually could happen (there was no lore reason to keep blood elves out of classic after having played them in war3), and would greatly simplify the rebalancing I don't think would happen anyway.

There is. There are no blood elves left in Azeroth, they all left to Draenor with Kael'Thas. If you played WC3 you would know that.

[Sanguinerd]

Weird flex.. anyone else remember how much spell dmg and crit they had 14 years ago?

[Sorcereria]

Weird flex.. anyone else remember how much spell dmg and crit they had 14 years ago?

After you spend so much time with char, tables, theorycraft, numbers, gear those numbers stick to you I think I still have my T3/T4 gear on my mage but I cant log.

It's been too much though looking back in time.

[Shmazard]

2. Gear/Items stat remaster/balancing. For many classes you DO NOT WANT to wear Epic quality stuff untill VERY VERY late in the game (even BWL+), the blue items are often superior to BWL+ gear. Basic example is spell damage/crit gear for mages. On top of that many epic items are useless for even offspecs due to terrible stat alocation making some offspec classes literally UNPLAYABLE.

This is one thing i noticed playing on private server, i understand the idea of min maxing, but it really kills the immersion of the game, outside of a raid im going to wear full t1 or t2 and have fun, but depending how serious the guild is, then you can wear your BIS blue shit in the raid.

[Clozer]

Everyone who wants unbalance - just give them unbalance.

For me personally i won't invite any shit spec, and heck there are a bunch. Simple fact. You wanted it so you get it. Ez for me.

[Deficineiron]

I'm really eager to show how much I want retail kids have as little as possible with Classic.

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There is. There are no blood elves left in Azeroth, they all left to Draenor with Kael'Thas. If you played WC3 you would know that.

Because we all have perfect memories of a game played 15 years ago! (or only you do?)

[Fascinate]

I dont remember attack power but i do recall getting my first 3k+ eviscerate on a mage at mines in AB

Cannot wait to play cold blood hemo again, cmon blizz release this thing already lol.

[GlitchedTV]

I strongly disagree : BFA is all about raiding but Classic is more about how you live in this world.

euhm what?

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It's funny you call people 'kids' all the while demonstrating an attitude very immature and very 'childish', kudos

I agree with you and since you all ready responded what I would to this comment, i don't understand what this hostility is between both games. just play what you prefer or both. it really seems like kids arguing what ice cream IS the best of taste.

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Weird flex.. anyone else remember how much spell dmg and crit they had 14 years ago?

true, but imo it was still more flex worthy in classic.

[msdos]

The patch where they released all the PVP gear into the vendors and released BC talents was epic AF. Better than plain vanilla and better than BC, somewhere in between, like having the content of vanilla with the BC talents and vanilla healthpools.

I was farming living Strat one day on my shammy and ran across 4 alliance that had just zoned out. I completely decimated all 4 of them like nothing had happened, like within the span of 60 seconds. I screenshotted their corpses, but I lost all that stuff to a dead hard drive years ago.