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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Imagine actually believing that there are tens of millions of people just waiting for a vanilla server.
    Do you actually think i meant classic would literally get 20, 30, 40 million players? Of course not and having to clarify this is mind boggling, kids today seem to forget how popular this game was in the past, and if even a small % of those people decide to return it will easily surpass the current retail playerbase.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by jonatron View Post
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    I think people are seriously overestimating the effect Classic will have. It certainly won't kill retail. I'll play it for sure but it will just be a distraction during the lulls in content during retail.
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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Maudib View Post
    I think Blizzard knows very well that Classic will outshine BfA... especially since it will release in a winding down time for BfA.

    What they will be caught off guard about is how many people would rather stay in Classic than play a new expansion. Although there will be enough people playing both to warrant keeping it up.

    Blizzard doesn't care WHAT you play.. as long as you keep paying. I also suspect they will use Classic TBC as another placeholder after the next expansion is in wind down mode.

    It'll be a teeter totter effect.
    They can't sell MTX and new xpaks so I would assume they would prefer if everyone was in retail.

  4. #144
    Oh man, people still haven't figured out that the horrendous gameplay and grind of Classic is going to kill participation numbers fairly quickly. Death of current WoW? No way, not a chance. Classic will arrive and die long before current WoW fails.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Do you actually think i meant classic would literally get 20, 30, 40 million players? Of course not and having to clarify this is mind boggling, kids today seem to forget how popular this game was in the past, and if even a small % of those people decide to return it will easily surpass the current retail playerbase.
    Most of these people have already played classic. Like me. And I'm not returning. I got my dose of classic during, you know, classic. Kids these days and stuff.
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  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    Most of these people have already played classic. Like me. And I'm not returning. I got my dose of classic during, you know, classic. Kids these days and stuff.
    I STILL don't understand why some people use anecdotal experiences as a universal constant.
    WoW has had 100 million accounts created during its lifetime, why do you think everyone else has the same opinion as you do?

  7. #147
    I really don't understand the hate here.

    Different games for different people. The two can exist simultaneously? Just means potentially more money for Blizz. E.g., I've been unsubbed since the first month of Legion, with large gaps between from Cata to WoD. Before that, I played quite a lot.

    All Classic means is that Blizz will gain some additional subs. That's it. In the long term I'd guess that retail will out-populate Classic. But that's fine too.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    I STILL don't understand why some people use anecdotal experiences as a universal constant.
    WoW has had 100 million accounts created during its lifetime, why do you think everyone else has the same opinion as you do?
    Why do you think they have the same as you? Yes, 100 millions accounts were created. IIRC Blizz words correctly most of those quit during classic/tbc era. So why should a signifcant potion of those come back when they didn't like what they've seen in the first place? Especially since classic lacks the LK, one of the most well know villains in video games. And the more refiend mechancis of tbc/wotlk.

    I seriously doubt that classic will surpass WoW in the long term. But my guesses are as good as yours so lets see how it plays out.
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  9. #149
    Classic WoW will do well, at least at first. To think it would kill retail, frankly though, is hilarious.

  10. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    Why do you think they have the same as you? Yes, 100 millions accounts were created. IIRC Blizz words correctly most of those quit during classic/tbc era. So why should a signifcant potion of those come back when they didn't like what they've seen in the first place? Especially since classic lacks the LK, one of the most well know villains in video games.

    I seriously doubt that classic will surpass WoW in the long term. But my guesses are as good as yours so lets see how it plays out.
    Where did I say that they had the same opinion as me?
    Please, by all means, point out where I specifically stated that.

    Also, why are you assuming that all of them quit because they didn't like the game?
    You've done nothing but made baseless assumptions, trying to pass them off as some miraculous revelation you've had.
    Here's some food for thought, what if people stopped playing for reasons other than not liking it? What if they decided, once whatever caused them to stop playing ceased to be, to try and come back and realized that the game is nothing like they remember?

    There are multiple different demographics that would play Classic, same as there are multiple different demographics that wouldn't.
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  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    There are multiple different demographics that would play Classic, same as there are multiple different demographics that wouldn't.
    Yes I agree with that.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Do you actually think i meant classic would literally get 20, 30, 40 million players? Of course not and having to clarify this is mind boggling, kids today seem to forget how popular this game was in the past, and if even a small % of those people decide to return it will easily surpass the current retail playerbase.
    "Joke's on you, I was being ironic guyssss"

    "if even a small % returns" is also one hell of a vague statement. Vanilla had 7-8M players at its highest, BfA has maybe 2M at its lowest and we have no way to be sure. Do you actually believe that, at best, in vanilla player in four will durably want to play it again? Assuming obviously that they are vanilla players who want it back and not people who stuck with the game.

    Plus, kill retail? It's the same sub. Blizzard gives no shits what "kills" what. Classic will get a massive release spike for sure, but you're kidding yourself if you think tons of people both played vanilla and want to play it again for a significant amount of time in this day and age, and you are frankly delusional if you think there are lots of young players just itching to play a more slow-paced version of a 15 years old game in the Fortnite era.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    The conclusion doesn't follow the premises. Having "at least one person leaving because they don't like modern WoW" does not translate to "there are millions of people who are potential customers for Classic". Could there be "millions"? Yes. Just as much as there could be just... a "few dozen".


    That's not a fact. You're making an absolute statement that can easily be unmade through anecdotal evidence. For example, I could say that someone in my guild only plays WoW because he has a lot of friends in the guild he likes to hang out with.


    Again, this conclusion doesn't follow ANY of your premises. It's delusional to think that "tens of millions" of players might return to play Classic WoW.
    LOL...


    EVERY single person who ever played WoW is a potential customer for Classic. Until Classic is out and they choose not to, they are POTENTIAL customers. Where as they already have NOT purchased BfA.

    You misunderstand something... since more people have played WoW than are currently playing... THOSE people who are not playing BfA are...NOT PLAYING BFA! Millions.

    By default... since those players have not said no to Classic yet (because i's not out to say no to) they are potential players... however.. since they are NOT playing BfA and it IS out... they are NOT potential players of BfA.

    Very basic statements of truth.

    Long story short. There are more people not playign WoW currently that are potential customers than are currently playign BfA. That is irrefutable. The only thing one can say inthe favor of BfA is that the ones currently playing BfA ARE customers currently.

    We are nearing the release of Classic and we will soon learn if CLassic is a huge underestimated, runaway success... or not.

    but we already know BfA isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenfoldor View Post
    They can't sell MTX and new xpaks so I would assume they would prefer if everyone was in retail.
    No... but they can replace declining sub numbers with other sub numbers.

    Mark my words... Blizzard will NOT report anything "Classic only"... they will report how WoW (including Classic) has seen XXX growth. Something along the lines of:

    Players of WoW past and present have shattered previous record sales... blah, blah, blah.

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    Classic won´t last much more than a year, people will get tired and realized how bad its flaws were, (regardless of using the latest patch).

    Classic had something unique, so unique that it can not happen again, no matter what. It was the fact that none knew anything, none knew how good items would be or how to defeat bosses. Everything was fresh, new, challenging and huge. Not having any loot in dungeons was normal and okay.

    Absolutely none of those points (and there are many more) can happen again.


    I think it is great that they did it, I will play, but it can not replace current WoW. Why would anyone invest all their WoW time in an old, stuck version which you already played and which is far worse than current in terms of optimization in the gaming itself? It sure will be a blast for a short time, but eventually that will be it.

  15. #155
    Going to be honest, modern wow will take a big hit early. As people play it. Then those people will get irritated with a lot of features that aren't in modern wow and move back over.

  16. #156
    The stats provided by Nostalrius kinda show that there is a 0% chance of this happening. Nostalrius had a total of 730K unique total accounts. After 1 year it had 130K active accounts. It bled 83% of it's playerbase in ONE year. That's a bigger drop than any expansion has ever seen. When you factor in that it's arguably the most authentic classic server to date and, y'know, the fact that it was free, it's frankly laughable.

    I'm sure retail will drop active numbers at first, that's inevitable, but It's not going to "kill" retail - Because everyone that plays classic is paying a sub, income is going to increase regardless. Blizzard win either way. If anything, it's going to increase activity in retail, because I can imagine everyone playing retail now is going to try Vanilla, and everyone that has only played vanilla or hasn't played at all and is following the streamers to Classic - will try retail. I'm certain the majority of people that have never played any version of wow will VASTLY prefer retail to vanilla.

    My prediction is that classic will explode initially, then implode on itself within a year. Within a year or two, they will announce TBC to keep it alive. All the while, a non-insignificant amount of players will trickle into retail. Which I believe is the plan anyway, Classic certainly isn't being done for the disproportionately small amount dedicated classic players, because there aren't enough of them to be worth the hastle.

    No matter what way you look at it, it's a play by Blizzard to rake in more $$$.
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  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    The main point here is that classic does not have to rely on the current WoW playerbase to maintain a healthy population, as is insinuated on these forums regularly.
    I don't think I ever seen that claim being made, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunterman View Post
    The stats provided by Nostalrius kinda show that there is a 0% chance of this happening. Nostalrius had a total of 730K unique total accounts. After 1 year it had 130K active accounts. It bled 83% of it's playerbase in ONE year. That's a bigger drop than any expansion has ever seen. When you factor in that it's arguably the most authentic classic server to date and, y'know, the fact that it was free, it's frankly laughable.

    I'm sure retail will drop active numbers at first, that's inevitable, but It's not going to "kill" retail - Because everyone that plays classic is paying a sub, income is going to increase regardless. Blizzard win either way.
    The main reason why people don't play private servers except the very dedicated, and the argument I've seen posted everywhere, is that you never know when Blizzard will cease & desist the server.
    This server won't be located in Russian and it won't be C&D'd after anywhere between 1 week to 1 year.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Maudib View Post
    EVERY single person who ever played WoW is a potential customer for Classic. Until Classic is out and they choose not to, they are POTENTIAL customers. Where as they already have NOT purchased BfA.
    Except, like I mentioned, your conclusion doesn't follow your premises. You talked about the reasons why players left WoW throughout its lifetime... then you conclude by saying "millions of potential Classic WoW customers."

    You misunderstand something... since more people have played WoW than are currently playing... THOSE people who are not playing BfA are...NOT PLAYING BFA! Millions.
    Yeah. And what percentage of those "millions" left the game because it was no longer vanilla WoW? Which is the kind of player that is most likely to return and stay. What's that percentage? 20%? 10%? 5%? 1%? Do you know which it is?

    By default... since those players have not said no to Classic yet (because i's not out to say no to) they are potential players... however.. since they are NOT playing BfA and it IS out... they are NOT potential players of BfA.
    It's not "by default", especially since you do not know the reason they're not playing WoW. They could have different priorities, or not enough time to dedicate to MMOs (especially one as grindy as Classic).

    Long story short. There are more people not playign WoW currently that are potential customers than are currently playign BfA. That is irrefutable.
    I don't think that thing was ever in question? I questioned the idea that Classic WoW "is being made of the tens of millions of players that aren't playing."

    The only thing one can say inthe favor of BfA is that the ones currently playing BfA ARE customers currently.

    We are nearing the release of Classic and we will soon learn if CLassic is a huge underestimated, runaway success... or not.

    but we already know BfA isn't.
    It's astounding how people very often bash on current WoW when they want to make classic WoW look good.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    The main reason why people don't play private servers except the very dedicated, and the argument I've seen posted everywhere, is that you never know when Blizzard will cease & desist the server.
    This server won't be located in Russian and it won't be C&D'd after anywhere between 1 week to 1 year.
    And even the "dedicated" can't play it for more than a year. I also would expect allot more than 730K unique total players, as it's an official server. I fully understand why some don't bother with private servers - it's the same reason I don't. They don't last. But even still, 83% of a playerbase gone in 1 year. For a free game, that's not P2W or anything... That has to be a record for biggest failure in the free MMO space.

    The active community is going to be in the hundreds of thousands within months, with many more people playing it here and there. I would picture the majority playing it how I intend too, once I'm out of shit to do for the week on retail I'l log into classic and play for an hour. It just not within the realm of reality that millions of people will flock back to something old, that is readily available on the internet for free - and pay for it.

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