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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    The main reason why people don't play private servers except the very dedicated, and the argument I've seen posted everywhere, is that you never know when Blizzard will cease & desist the server.
    This server won't be located in Russian and it won't be C&D'd after anywhere between 1 week to 1 year.
    And even the "dedicated" can't play it for more than a year. I also would expect allot more than 730K unique total players, as it's an official server. I fully understand why some don't bother with private servers - it's the same reason I don't. They don't last. But even still, 83% of a playerbase gone in 1 year. For a free game, that's not P2W or anything... That has to be a record for biggest failure in the free MMO space.

    The active community is going to be in the hundreds of thousands within months, with many more people playing it here and there. I would picture the majority playing it how I intend too, once I'm out of shit to do for the week on retail I'l log into classic and play for an hour. It just not within the realm of reality that millions of people will flock back to something old, that is readily available on the internet for free - and pay for it.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    Classic won´t last much more than a year, people will get tired and realized how bad its flaws were, (regardless of using the latest patch).

    Classic had something unique, so unique that it can not happen again, no matter what. It was the fact that none knew anything, none knew how good items would be or how to defeat bosses. Everything was fresh, new, challenging and huge. Not having any loot in dungeons was normal and okay.

    Absolutely none of those points (and there are many more) can happen again.


    I think it is great that they did it, I will play, but it can not replace current WoW. Why would anyone invest all their WoW time in an old, stuck version which you already played and which is far worse than current in terms of optimization in the gaming itself? It sure will be a blast for a short time, but eventually that will be it.
    Posts like this need to stop. Regardless of whether people are for or against Classic, what should be remembered is that hundreds of thousands of people have been playing private servers for many years, so of course it will not die after a year.

    People want to hate on Classic and forget there was a demand for it, Blizzard didn't decide to re-release it on a whim.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    Why do you think they have the same as you? Yes, 100 millions accounts were created. IIRC Blizz words correctly most of those quit during classic/tbc era. So why should a signifcant potion of those come back when they didn't like what they've seen in the first place? Especially since classic lacks the LK, one of the most well know villains in video games. And the more refiend mechancis of tbc/wotlk.

    I seriously doubt that classic will surpass WoW in the long term. But my guesses are as good as yours so lets see how it plays out.
    You dont; recall right... http://media.wow-europe.com/infograp...fographic.html

    100 million accounts up to 2014. Does not include last 5 years. No of course no one expects them to all think like they do... but it's a reasonable expectation that a lot do. If only 10% do that's still 10 million players+.

    What we do know is that by any account... very few agree that modern WoW is of much interest since very few people (compared to at it's height) still play it.

    I guess we will see ho mnay of those 100 million choose to play Classic... we already can guess 3-5 million decided to play BfA. Wouldn't it be neat if like 10 million played Classic? how cool would that be?

    It could happen.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by jonatron View Post
    and since you can only play one game at a time.
    says who? :P

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Maudib View Post
    100 million accounts up to 2014. Does not include last 5 years. No of course no one expects them to all think like they do... but it's a reasonable expectation that a lot do. If only 10% do that's still 10 million players+.
    And if less than 1% does, it's not even 1m.

    The only thing you have going for your number is assumptions that it will be a smash hit. More likely most people won't give it more than a passing glance.

    It could happen.
    We could also get hit by an previously unknown gamma ray burst and all die tomorrow. I'm not sure which of the two is more likely, but i'm leaning to the gamma rays.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    And if less than 1% does, it's not even 1m.

    The only thing you have going for your number is assumptions that it will be a smash hit. More likely most people won't give it more than a passing glance.



    We could also get hit by an previously unknown gamma ray burst and all die tomorrow. I'm not sure which of the two is more likely, but i'm leaning to the gamma rays.
    I guess we'll see. And we won't have to wait long either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Except, like I mentioned, your conclusion doesn't follow your premises. You talked about the reasons why players left WoW throughout its lifetime... then you conclude by saying "millions of potential Classic WoW customers."


    Yeah. And what percentage of those "millions" left the game because it was no longer vanilla WoW? Which is the kind of player that is most likely to return and stay. What's that percentage? 20%? 10%? 5%? 1%? Do you know which it is?


    It's not "by default", especially since you do not know the reason they're not playing WoW. They could have different priorities, or not enough time to dedicate to MMOs (especially one as grindy as Classic).


    I don't think that thing was ever in question? I questioned the idea that Classic WoW "is being made of the tens of millions of players that aren't playing."


    It's astounding how people very often bash on current WoW when they want to make classic WoW look good.


    Millions of POTENTIAL players. No one said they all would play... no one said a majority of them would. But they are all potential customes... except those that tried it initially and hated it.

    But because they are NOT playing BfA... and could be... they are NOT potential players of BfA.

    I represent the type of player that cannot stand what modern WoW has become but cannot wait to play Classic... I do not find it unreasonable to believe that there is a segment of those 100 million accounts that feel similar.

    I do not find it unreasonable that there is a segment of those players that loved TBC and Wrath...and would really love to play the first rendition that they missed.

    I find it reasonable that there is a segment of those players that would OVE to experience a luanch of a brand new Azeroth... where leveling hasn't been destroyed and made irreleveant, that the AH isn't so bloated from inflation that a low level item costs 500g because it looks cool for transmog.

    Sure there are lots of reasons why many won't consider coming back and sticking with Classic... but there are also a lot of reasons why a significant number of people will.

    In a few monhs, it will all play out, then we will know.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Maudib View Post
    Millions of POTENTIAL players. No one said they all would play... no one said a majority of them would. But they are all potential customes... except those that tried it initially and hated it.
    It's hardly "millions", much less "tens of millions".

    Those who weren't interested in playing WoW in 2004, are highly unlikely to want to play 2004 WoW today.
    Those who stopped playing for any other reason than "it's not vanilla WoW anymore" are also highly unlikely to return.

    Said reasons include, but aren't restricted to:
    • They don't like vanilla WoW but stopped because 'expansion X' brought a change they didn't like;
    • They now have family and/or a job to worry about;
    • They're no longer interested in gaming;
    • They're no longer interested in MMOs;
    • They're no longer interested in WoW;
    • Their friends no longer play WoW.

    Classic WoW is being made for those who like how WoW was in 2004-2006.

    Not for those who were never interested.
    Not for those who stopped playing for any reason other than "it's not vanilla WoW anymore."

    The "target audience" is actually much smaller than you make it out to be.

    I represent the type of player that cannot stand what modern WoW has become but cannot wait to play Classic... I do not find it unreasonable to believe that there is a segment of those 100 million accounts that feel similar.
    I don't find that "unreasonable". I'm just saying you greatly overestimate the size of said "segment".

  8. #168
    You really have no idea ielenia lol. Very soon we are going to get a release date and that is when the hype is truly going to start. If i know blizzards marketing team we will be seeing advertisements for classic that pull on peoples heartstrings, they will have no choice but to resub to classic.

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    I don't find that "unreasonable". I'm just saying you greatly overestimate the size of said "segment".
    His mere existence proves the existence of the segment. It does not, however, prove that the segment contains anybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    You really have no idea ielenia lol. Very soon we are going to get a release date and that is when the hype is truly going to start. If i know blizzards marketing team we will be seeing advertisements for classic that pull on peoples heartstrings, they will have no choice but to resub to classic.
    And you know that how? Prophetic dreams? Wishful thinking?

  10. #170
    Once the rose-tinted glasses come off, only one WoW will be standing. And, despite all the problems with BfA...the one that's standing will NOT be classic.
    If the future is female...get ready for apocalypse.

  11. #171
    Classic, like all other game that was supposed to kill WoW, will fail miserably

  12. #172
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dziubla View Post
    Once the rose-tinted glasses come off, only one WoW will be standing. And, despite all the problems with BfA...the one that's standing will NOT be classic.
    I think you underestimate how deeply Ion Hazznoklue is in over his head, most of the great talent that made WoW into a billion dollar cash cow are gone and replaced by people that need to drastically simplify the game for them to avoid blowing it up. The problem is that these same people are also in charge of vanilla so the incompetence contagion will probably spread and ruin it as well.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Akasha64 View Post
    Ok, but it's not as old as Medal of Honor I always associate Call of Duty with 7th generation of gaming, because that's when it started getting really popular, and really dominated that generation, but indeed existed since the 6th generation of gaming.
    Being wrong is still being wrong. It doesn't matter if you consider an item to be part of a different category because of arbitrary reason number 7.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

  14. #174
    Classic will be a side project for a lot of players, because many will lose interest after a while. We have a lot of vanilla servers that show it to be true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer of Leftism View Post
    While I certainly support more sex for more people and don't think the old norms are viable, it's also become pretty obvious that leftists only support sexual freedom because they think it will spread STDs more, damage the family and damage society. Their intentions are not to spread more freedom, they just want people sick, hopefully dependent on their healthcare too.
    Yes, someone actually said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    I'll also never understand how people try to pass off a subjective, anecdotal opinion as facts somehow.
    Facetious at best.
    That's what the OP did. Opinion vs. Opinion, as fit.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Being wrong is still being wrong. It doesn't matter if you consider an item to be part of a different category because of arbitrary reason number 7.
    Ok then. I stand corrected. Happy now? Jeeze.

  17. #177
    You are dreaming if you think classic will make any meaningful dent in the remaining number of retail WoW players. The number of people who actually care about going back and playing Vanilla again for any real length of time is a fraction of the number of people who only play Mythic+, let alone the entire playerbase. Classic will be fine on its own, why are you people so desperate for it to "kill" retail WoW? Are you that obsessed with your opinion of WoW that you crave validation or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondercrab View Post
    I think the ven diagram of people who want to actively play both classic and retail long-term would show relatively little overlap. They're very different experiences at this point. It's more likely that any potential split in the playerbase will be compensated for by a bunch of returning players and cross-pollination between the two games. Realistically I seriously doubt that it will make any noticeable difference beyond growing the WoW playerbase as a whole by drawing in people who're only interested in classic.
    This is it in a nutshell.

    In the long-term, after the initial surge of nostalgia and curiosity dies down, Classic is mostly going to exist to turn currently lapsed Classic fans back into active subscribers, and then retain them.

    For most currently active players, it'll just be a novel way to play alts when they're bored with the current Live content. Especially since I think there will be a lot of crossover guilds and communities that seesaw from Live progression to Classic progression and back, if only casually.

    The number of players who fully convert from Live to Classic will be relatively minor. Same for returning Classic players converting to Live. Though both will surely happen, it's not going to dramatically upset the current playerbase so much as grow it.

  19. #179
    It's not just WoW that changed but also how people play MOORPGs and online games in general. I don't think the experience will ever be the same as 15 years ago.
    Many of the people I played Vanilla with won't return as they moved on in their lives. I'm also on and off in WoW, not being subscribed at the moment and when subscribed, I'm playing the game in a different way than back in 2004/05, because my life changed since then. Also the experience like entering Darnassus for the first time will be a different one, because it's nothing new to me and technology also advanced. WoW never had high-end graphics, but by now it's far more dated looking.

    So in the end it's hard to say what will really happen.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Phuongvi View Post
    Classic, like all other game that was supposed to kill WoW, will fail miserably
    Not even WoW will be the WoW killer.

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