Which races have suffered the most from horde races?

[mysticx]

for people who have so much "respect" of life, killing of sentient beings just because they are cutting trees when they didn't know the forest was occupied, yeah how dare they

As is apparent from the first few quests in the NE starting zone, the Kaldorei respect life, but if something upsets the balance of nature (Say, by clear-cutting it), they kill it, nothing out of character there.

Remember that the logging operation Grom started wasn’t just “Cut half a dozen trees to make huts”, but lopping down lots of trees, with goblin shredders (If you find the neutral goblins out there, IIRC)

[Fetus Rex]

Orcs. They have been stripped of their rightful ruler, Garrosh Hellscream and neutered in the result.

[ravenmoon]

Orcs. They have been stripped of their rightful ruler, Garrosh Hellscream and neutered in the result.

I dont think it would be wrong to say orcs have been their own worst enemy

[Mehrunes]

As is apparent from the first few quests in the NE starting zone, the Kaldorei respect life, but if something upsets the balance of nature (Say, by clear-cutting it), they kill it, nothing out of character there.

Remember that the logging operation Grom started wasn’t just “Cut half a dozen trees to make huts”, but lopping down lots of trees, with goblin shredders (If you find the neutral goblins out there, IIRC)

They killed the humans too though, and they weren't cutting as much as the Orcs did.

[Skytotem]

Nelfs, they gave orcs a second chance [twice] and got genocided for their troubles

[Fetus Rex]

I dont think it would be wrong to say orcs have been their own worst enemy

No, other races have been though.

[DotEleven]

No? Because Azshara didn't tell her to order the Wrathgate, nuke Gilneas and Southshore using chemical weapons, and allow the construction of a concentration camp for Humans?

Don't forget the burning of a world tree because of a single statement from one night elf.

[Eggroll]

for people who have so much "respect" of life, killing of sentient beings just because they are cutting trees when they didn't know the forest was occupied, yeah how dare they

Sentient beings under the control of demons, mind you. They could have negotiated before starting with the tree cutting. You know, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. But no. It's orc want, orc take.

Not that Tyrande hasn't granted Orgrimmar the use of Aszhara's ressources after SoO. Look how that turned out for the nelves...

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Don't forget the burning of a world tree because of a single statement from one night elf.

Not to mention the mass murder of almost all citizens of a racial capital.

[Syegfryed]

As is apparent from the first few quests in the NE starting zone, the Kaldorei respect life, but if something upsets the balance of nature (Say, by clear-cutting it), they kill it, nothing out of character there.

there is no "upseting the balance of nature" there, they were just gathering some lumber, even trolls and furbolgs do that, they literally just start, there was no way of then to "upset the balance", they were just morons and got what they deserve.

Remember that the logging operation Grom started wasn’t just “Cut half a dozen trees to make huts”, but lopping down lots of trees, with goblin shredders (If you find the neutral goblins out there, IIRC)

this only happen after the night elves attack btw

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Sentient beings under the control of demons, mind you.

orcs were not in control of demons, mind you.

They could have negotiated before starting with the tree cutting. You know, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. But no. It's orc want, orc take.

you want then to negotiated with people they don't even know that exist? funny

Not that Tyrande hasn't granted Orgrimmar the use of Aszhara's ressources after SoO. Look how that turned out for the nelves...

she grant it something we already had it

[Highelf]

They killed Cenarius after becoming corrupted by demon blood, at this point they were under the Legion's sway. Shortly after this they even turned on the Horde and attacked them.

They're still a horde race. A race of weak willed people that chose to drink the blood.

[Kyphael]

Right now it's obviously night elves, but humans would be the race more susceptible to feeling hate and having vengeful feelings. The sacking of Stormwind by the Horde of orcs from Draenor was as atrocious as the burning of Teldrassil. Draenei don't seem to be a race to harbor so much hatred like humans do despite how much they've been victimized. Worgen must hate the Horde as much as humans hated orcs back after the first war. Worgen count as humans, no? I mean they are Gilneans, so it's definitely humans/worgen in general. I think night elves must hate Sylvanas the individual more than Forsaken as a whole. The burning is solely on Sylvanas' hands, it wasn't the Forsaken collectively gathering around and saying "fuck these night elves, let's burn this tree down." Blood is on Sylvanas' hands, she started the fire.

Even Genn is seeing that not all Forsaken are heartless undead, Sylvanas just gives them all a bad name.

If High Elves hate anyone, it was Arthas and the Scourge/Lich King, that wasn't the Forsaken that nearly wiped them out.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

They're still a horde race. A race of weak willed people that chose to drink the blood.

I am reading the question as actions taken while actively part of the Horde under Horde authority/orders. I mean, otherwise the question becomes pointless, as the Alliance races (Eredar and Night Elves) have done more damage than everyone else combined, and this would include the example above of demons corrupting Orcs.

It is also hard to take seriously one named Highelf with the #Garithoswasright, given how contemptuous Garithos was of Elves. I sense unhealthy levels of self-hate. Perhaps consider therapy.

[Highelf]

It's a simple question really. And just because the orcs are too weak willed and dumb to realize corruption when the see, does not excuse them from the atrocities they committed both on Draenor and Azeroth.

[Eggroll]

there is no "upseting the balance of nature" there, they were just gathering some lumber, even trolls and furbolgs do that, they literally just start, there was no way of then to "upset the balance", they were just morons and got what they deserve.



this only happen after the night elves attack btw

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orcs were not in control of demons, mind you.


you want then to negotiated with people they don't even know that exist? funny


she grant it something we already had it

No, orcs were controlled by demons through the blood of Mannoroth.
She granted them the use WITHOUT resistance from the nelves.
How can they not know they exist when they have settlements throughout Ashenvale, Darkshore? Funny. Orcs were invaders, hostiles. Not like the Draenei who crashlanded and sought refuge. No they came to conquer. To bring destruction.

[Syegfryed]

No, orcs were controlled by demons through the blood of Mannoroth.

they were not and there was no freaking way to the elves even know orcs did drink it on the past, and they were not controlled, not until grom drank from the corrupted fountain

She granted them the use WITHOUT resistance from the nelves.

who mean nothing in the end

How can they not know they exist when they have settlements throughout Ashenvale, Darkshore? Funny. Orcs were invaders, hostiles.

they didn't saw nothing, they just enter the borders of the forest, there was no way of then to know there was people living there, and mind you, night elves can literally stay invisible

Not like the Draenei who crashlanded and sought refuge. No they came to conquer. To bring destruction.

Draenei bring the burning legion with then, they brought destruction and corruption for every world they land, god know how many of then

[Soulwind]

Yeah... I don't think there's any competition.

[matrix123mko]

Why do you count the Scourge attack as part of the suffering caused by the Horde?

Also, I would say that victims of said attacks were the Horde.

[Eggroll]

If You Discovered
iSylvanas' appointment and war effort was manipulated by Queen Azshara and she is the one truly responsible for Teldrassil and the whole BFA war

• Would you be willing to give Sylvanas a chance to prove her mettle?
• Would you accept the night elves able to put aside their anger at the horde for Teldrassil to take down Azshara and N'Zoth?

If it turns out that Sylvanas discovers she was manipulated and ends up being the key reason we are eventually able to take out N'zoth and she ends up doing something greatly heroic by springing a trap that would have killed Tyrande and the rest of the night elf forces who were in a strategic position to end the threat and her sacrifice is what allows Tyrande to finish Azshara/N'zoth and save a trapped Anduin.
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Idk at this point it's not only the shoddy ingame story but how the devs treated The Burning of Teldrassil. I mean, they practically made it a meme, a joke. IF and only if they intened to make clear that it was an atrocious act, then they should have put more focus on the struggle of the victims. But after the act, nelves and their tragedy were not more than a side note.

The Tides of Vengeance just showed that. The devs put so little effort into the Tyrande scenario, it was a spit in the face of nelf players. They didn't even bother to use Tyrandes ingame model for the scenario, they just used a player model. On the other side, everyone and their mother gets kick ass cinematics on Horde side.

There is nothing to salvage, because at this point, Blizzard's lesson is simply: Genocide is fun, it makes for great memes.

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Yeah... I don't think there's any competition.

That wasn't The Horde, though. It was the orcs on Draenor. Not the same thing.

[Felixon]

Until this expansion - draenei, now they are on par. But if there's somebody the night elves should hate more than Horde, are the good for nothing writers,who,for all these years made them look like total weaklings,who need the help of Stormwind to deal with every single crap. A once proud and independent nation,who was capable to strike fear in hearts of humans and orcs,are fully dependent on a military support of an incompetent leader with useless advisors.

[masterjc]

Humans:
- Stormwind Kingdom was routed in their 1st war by orcs,
- Undead annihilated Lordaeron kingdom in 3rd war
- Horde destroyed Kingdom of Theramore

Worgen:
- Undead and Forsaken destroyed Gilneas

Draenei:
- Orcs genocide on route to invading Azeroth

Night Elves
- Invasion during Cata by Garrosh horde
- Genocide by Forsaken led horde

High Elves:
- Horde invasion in 2nd war
- Slaughtered by Undead in 3rd war


Observations:
- Draenei were able to make a peace with orcs even fight alongside them a few times when it was realised the Legion was manipulating them
- Draenei were able to work with Blood elves when the Scryers surrendered voluntarily and asked to join them, later they fo armed the shattered offensive even though the blood elves were on the horde and had been fighting them.
- Blood elves were able to join the horde and forsaken despite past aggressions.
- Humans have fought alongside the horde for major threats since Wc3, despite being bitter enemies.

If You Discovered
iSylvanas' appointment and war effort was manipulated by Queen Azshara and she is the one truly responsible for Teldrassil and the whole BFA war

• Would you be willing to give Sylvanas a chance to prove her mettle?
• Would you accept the night elves able to put aside their anger at the horde for Teldrassil to take down Azshara and N'Zoth?

If it turns out that Sylvanas discovers she was manipulated and ends up being the key reason we are eventually able to take out N'zoth and she ends up doing something greatly heroic by springing a trap that would have killed Tyrande and the rest of the night elf forces who were in a strategic position to end the threat and her sacrifice is what allows Tyrande to finish Azshara/N'zoth and save a trapped Anduin.

She had lost half the horde to Saurfang /thrall, but her half was also engaging N'zoths/Azshara forces when she learnt of her manipulation Sylvanas didnt die whe her self sacrifice saved the kaldorei, Tyrande, alliance and horde forces and Anduin, but it changed her, she emerges, laying down the warchief mantle, allowing her half of the horde to join the Saurfang/Thrall horde, she also steps down as leader of the forsaken allowing Calia Menethil to lead them

• Would you exonerate Sylvanas as a horde or alliance player and be proud of her?
• Would you accept a horde and alliance peace as possible?

-Do you think the night elves can put their anger at the war of thorns aside and work with the horde?
-Do you think friendships between horde and alliance races can still happen?
Example:

• Night elves with Nightborne and HighmountainTauren neither participated in the war of throns
• Blood elves and Draenei, especially Lightforged
• Humans and forsaken led by Calia

1. what about Pandaren? half of their continent was devastated by bloodshred
2. during WC3 bot Queldorei and human kingdoms were attacekd by Undead scourge which has nothing to do with organization called "new horde" aka Thrall's Horde
3. Night ELves were also attacked by orcs (Warsong Clan) during WC3 early stages