Thread: Recount killed?

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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Serpha View Post
    Do you have something to back up this claim?
    It's common knowledge and extremely easy to test....

    https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748725094

    Someone spent a month testing various addons, their testing methodology is sound.

    Out of the 3 Recount is the worst on both, Skada is best on ram and Details! is the best on CPU. This isn't some mystery.

    Recount it such a resource hog it has a history of causing freezing in large raid groups during pulls.

  2. #102
    I tested both Recount and Details and I don't see any difference in fps, I do see however Details using more memory which to be honest doesn't really affect the performance (noticeably) .

    Edit: In fact, after further testing Details seem to have bad impact on latency adding extra 15-20 ms vs Recount.

    Also, just wanted to stress this is Linux, with Windows it may be different.
    Last edited by Serpha; 2019-05-01 at 09:10 PM.
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    I think many people will agree that genocide can be justified.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaetha View Post
    Yeah... um... no, it hasn't. I've seen probably a dozen different excuses to gatekeep people filter through the works over the years. None of them have done anything but make people be worse to each other, like, for example, you insulting me for disliking it.

    Thanks for illustrating my point though.
    I didnt illustrate anything you are essentially salty that it exists even when you have the option of not using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpha View Post
    I tested both Recount and Details and I don't see any difference in fps, I do see however Details using more memory which to be honest doesn't really affect the performance (noticeably) .

    Edit: In fact, after further testing Details seem to have bad impact on latency adding extra 15-20 ms vs Recount.

    Also, just wanted to stress this is Linux, with Windows it may be different.
    Not seeing that happen at all on my rig.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Annka View Post
    From an experienced person in Blizzard default UI, i can say that if you know how to use your skills you're still good to go, but it's not just about aesthetic that makes you immediately better player but it helps, you don't need to force your eyes to look on the top left of your screen if you have addons that help you see everything closer to the center. And that helps you be a better player because you keep track of things easier. When you use a razor mouse with a lot buttons on the side you can make your life easier too, but it gets time to adapt as well as having elvui, if you passed the whole years playing on blizzard UI and take time to adapt then you'll have less good performance trying to look for stuff that you're used to see on the top left screen of your eyes and not in the center, so you might even fail to see stuff more frequently. Depends on the person and how susceptible it is through change, a help here and there to know what's going on its fine but lets be realistic too, most of the times you just have so much to look in the center of the screen if you don't spread it, getting the space filled the best way possible to have a certain synergy between you and your playstyle. If anything, let me say that elvui has a complete info but at same time, might be too much info in front of your eyes, when you can see that on a nameplate, on your buffs, weak auras, on a CDS addon, you can move your bars using bartender/dominos too if the problem is the space. Like, if it was so unplayable with Blizzard UI, i think they would have already change that.
    They haven't changed it because of addons. Can you play default sure but you can use weak auras to make it so much better to see when to do things most top end players use it and elvui for the most part i think a lot use because it just looks better i have played with both default and elvui

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpha View Post
    I tested both Recount and Details and I don't see any difference in fps, I do see however Details using more memory which to be honest doesn't really affect the performance (noticeably) .

    Edit: In fact, after further testing Details seem to have bad impact on latency adding extra 15-20 ms vs Recount.

    Also, just wanted to stress this is Linux, with Windows it may be different.
    Well that's not really a supported configuration. On windows based systems it's noticeably better. Details over Skada. Bigwigs over DBM. Raid Assist over Exorsus Raid Tools. Weakauras over some of the other Aura tools. All bring slight performance improvements. The addons take cpu cycles away from the engine or slow it down. Even a super fast rig can see the difference.
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  6. #106
    So I actually went and installed Details today.

    I can honestly not see a difference at all. It got some weird over-kill plugins only 0.2% of players would care for that uses the addon, and thats it.

    Once I had it setup to look like my old Recount addon (I dont want GUI changes...Im a 2002 bold and minimalistic skin guy ;p) it might as well have been recount.

    They both record the same damage, they both do their job...Look I have over 100 addons installed, some tiny some bigger, but if recount kills my FPS a bit...well I will hardly notice, even with my shitty 2014 quad core I5.


    But I still dont get why this thread was made. Recount is still the most popular meter addon I figure, and its updated in BFA so...
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  7. #107
    reccount is working perfectly

  8. #108
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    I prefer Recount, cause how user friendly it is and how nice and smooth the interface is. Maybe not 100% accurate, but good enough, you can surely tell if someone is doing okey or if they are much behind what they should do.

    If I raided mythic I'd prolly get Details tho, where, like the name suggest, details matter more than in HC.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Djuntas View Post
    So I actually went and installed Details today.

    I can honestly not see a difference at all. It got some weird over-kill plugins only 0.2% of players would care for that uses the addon, and thats it.

    Once I had it setup to look like my old Recount addon (I dont want GUI changes...Im a 2002 bold and minimalistic skin guy ;p) it might as well have been recount.

    They both record the same damage, they both do their job...Look I have over 100 addons installed, some tiny some bigger, but if recount kills my FPS a bit...well I will hardly notice, even with my shitty 2014 quad core I5.


    But I still dont get why this thread was made. Recount is still the most popular meter addon I figure, and its updated in BFA so...
    The reality is different though.

    Whenever a change is made or generally over the last 3 expansions or so, Recount has proven majorly faulty many times.

    Details is preferred because after it was created slowly over the last 3 years and improved its literally reporting the same as Warcraftlogs in every situation.

    Which is why any "more capable" player would start using Details after checking all 3 damage meters.

    Also, Recount was known to cause major issues on slower PCs and sometimes had the same bug as Skada, where you could not load in game unless you disabled it.

    Been using Details ever since the dude on here has started it and havent had a single loading freeze the last 3 years which says a lot compared to Recount since forever and the -cant count how many times i couldnt load because of recount- moments.

    But giving credit where its due, Recount is a legend in Addon scene either way.
    Last edited by potis; 2019-05-13 at 01:01 AM.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by potis View Post
    The reality is different though.

    Whenever a change is made or generally over the last 3 expansions or so, Recount has proven majorly faulty many times.

    Details is preferred because after it was created slowly over the last 3 years and improved its literally reporting the same as Warcraftlogs in every situation.

    Which is why any "more capable" player would start using Details after checking all 3 damage meters.

    Also, Recount was known to cause major issues on slower PCs and sometimes had the same bug as Skada, where you could not load in game unless you disabled it.

    Been using Details ever since the dude on here has started it and havent had a single loading freeze the last 3 years which says a lot compared to Recount since forever and the -cant count how many times i couldnt load because of recount- moments.

    But giving credit where its due, Recount is a legend in Addon scene either way.
    We'll, it might be better, but the only time I have seen performance issue was on Onyxia when you did the whelping achievement. If I find the time I think I will try that out again, just hard to prolong it without a level 90 character. You had to disable damage meter (recount) back then unless you had a prolly insane non-existent CPU at that time.

    context; You pull all these 35345345 whelps and do the biggest AOE damage and pull you can prolly do in WoW, minus pulling entire instances?

    Again I have a old Hashwell 4-core CPU, and Im fine. It can just about handle video editing fine enough (But laggy when scrubbing timeline), and games 1080p reduced settings.
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  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    So you don't use damage meters and raider.io? You must be really good at this game.

    I'm starting to suspect you also have the stock UI and don't use DBM?
    I'm not sure what exactly rader.io has to do with being good or bad, or having stock UI vs modified one which to comfort your subjective taste

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Cena View Post
    LMFAO damage meters. If you aren't a hardcore player that treats this game like a job then don't worry about it.
    Last night I was doing a Waycrest 10 with a 400+ group and in 5 attempts we couldn't kill sisters. I don't treat the game like a job, but the WARLOCK at 402 equal to Paladin tank damage was casually wasting everyone's time. Good thing we had Details to identify doing/taking damage/healing. Very non-joby, very non-hardcory.

    The bigger problem are people telling others it's ok to not try to be better and it's ok to be bad.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpcat View Post
    The bigger problem are people telling others it's ok to not try to be better and it's ok to be bad.
    Yeah, but after a certain point it becomes a double edged sword, once you surpass your basic class knowledge and become comfortable with having to move around and do fight mechanics while being efficient with your uptime and stuff... then it all comes down to disgusting casino, aka titanfogring, procs and rng in general, which is single handedly the most discouraging thing for anybody to even try to get any better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebeast View Post
    That is precisely the inane mentality that drives people away from this game. Meters and raider io are the things that have helped ruin the game, because lets rush to kill this boss so we can whine there is not enough content
    Anyone complaining that damage meters are ruining the game are salty because they do low dps and are being called out on it. Git gud.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Chillside View Post
    Yeah, but after a certain point it becomes a double edged sword, once you surpass your basic class knowledge and become comfortable with having to move around and do fight mechanics while being efficient with your uptime and stuff... then it all comes down to disgusting casino, aka titanfogring, procs and rng in general, which is single handedly the most discouraging thing for anybody to even try to get any better
    Yeah I completely agree. The RNG gearing is totally overboard. For the current tier I was relatively lucky and am geared quite solid with lots of procs and slots I need. For the previous tier I was scraping for gear and I did more M+ and Uldir HC clears than I do Dazar now. Entirely in the gracious arms of the RNG Gods. Not fun.

  16. #116
    Have used both and prefer Details as it cuts out all the padding (eg like bomb damage on Gronk) so my dps matches warcraft logs dps (shame cos I am the one who normally grabs the bomb) guess will have to load recount back for that fight and take loads of screenshots to prove how godly I am !!...I can dream

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Erous View Post
    I'm a mythic raider, despise raider.io, don't use dbm and use the stock UI. Amibadbro?
    Well - mythic raider = killed 1/9M?

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