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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexx226 View Post
    No. It's not. They literally do not have access to all the same benefits in most cases as their counterparts. That is a blatant lack of opportunity. We're only talking about within the US so I don't know why you keep comparing it to other places.

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    Again, I disagree with that but regardless even strictly speaking about economics, there is a direct correlation and so Black Americans are still at a disadvantage at a much higher rate than White Americans. Unless you can actually tell me which part of that simple argument is wrong, you can stop replying.
    The part that when you look at actual numbers, not percentages, numbers between the amount living in poverty, they're very close, with whites having more in poverty.
    You know, it's kinda funny. On this forum you can question and criticize celebrities, developers, even governments. But only two you will net you instant infractions; religion and the actions of moderators. Really puts into perspective the literal god complexes we're dealing with here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    How are Trump's own words a "conspiracy theory"?
    Trump was very clear: he doesn't want the military to be disrupted by the effects and high medical needs of trans people, in addition to other risks to others and themselves.
    The goal is to have a cohesive, efficient military force while also reducing risks for trans people and those around them.

    The goal isn't to prevent them from getting hormones, that's where your conspiracy theory kicks in.
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    I mean, so many right wingers are blatant dog whistlers for racists, so that's not really a surprise.

    Congrats to the 11 fools who made the ignore list, your ignorance knows no bounds, bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Trump was very clear: he doesn't want the military to be disrupted by the effects and high medical needs of trans people, in addition to other risks to others and themselves.
    The goal is to have a cohesive, efficient military force while also reducing risks for trans people and those around them.

    The goal isn't to prevent them from getting hormones, that's where your conspiracy theory kicks in.
    So in other words he's worried about something that by all metrics and peer reviewed research doesn't exist. Like voter fraud.

    Based on RAND’s estimates, trans troops make up around 2,450 of the 1.3 million active-component service members — a fraction of a percent of the US military. While some trans service members would seek treatment, RAND pointed out that only a small subset would: “Estimates derived from survey data and private health insurance claims data indicate that, each year, between 29 and 129 service members in the active component will seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.”
    RAND concluded that “the readiness impact of transition-related treatment would lead to a loss of less than 0.0015 percent of total available labor-years in the active component.” In comparison, “in the Army alone, approximately 50,000 active-component personnel were ineligible to deploy in 2015 for various legal, medical, or administrative reasons — a number amounting to around 14 percent of the active component.”
    RAND found, “Using private health insurance claims data to estimate the cost of extending gender transition–related health care coverage to transgender personnel indicated that active-component health care costs would increase by between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually, representing a 0.04- to 0.13-percent increase in active-component health care expenditures.”
    Full RAND report here.

    Still waiting on even one example of a "left bill that legalizes discrimination against christians" btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    Did you read the paper? He literally posted the statistics from their original tables - they can be verified even by yourself. When the proper statistical accounting is done, there was no increase. Your response just seems like a copout.
    Again, I'm not a statistician and I believe that a paper submitted through the peer review of American Economic Review would be checked for statistical correctness. The authors of the paper also mentioned that it's possible changing views of women in orchestra have played a part and could be affecting selection during non-blind audition. It may be statistically insignificant now but 10% of women were in the orchestra in 1970, and after adopting the screen in the 70s increased to 30% by the 90s, so this blind selection process did appear to have had an impact during that time unless you can propose an alternate explanation for the increase between those decades.

    Either way, I believe that selecting people based on their skill is best, so using a screen for orchestra makes sense. A person's appearance or gender should have no bearing on the audition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...oliticians-too

    Of course, it's not that a lot of Republicans are white supremacists. It's just that if you set up an algorithm to find White Supremacists, it finds a lot of Republicans. Hmmm.
    And if you did the same for black/muslim supremacists you'd get a lot of Democrats. Then again it's somehow ok in countries with hate speech laws to say "white people are genetically inferior to black people" meanwhile someone who has a Hitler dog gets in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    So in other words he's worried about something that by all metrics and peer reviewed research doesn't exist.
    Maybe, but whether his worries are founded or not that doesn't mean your "he just wants to stop them from getting hormones" theory lies true.
    You need prove that's the actual reason... until then it remains a conspiracy theory.
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    Yes, I think a company should be legally allowed to refuse to serve black people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Maybe, but whether his worries are founded or not that doesn't mean your "he just wants to stop them from getting hormones" theory lies true.
    You need prove that's the actual reason... until then it remains a conspiracy theory.
    "Following a Pentagon review, the White House rescinded the previous ban and approved a new memo that declares that “transgender persons with a history or diagnosis of gender dysphoria — individuals who the policies state may require substantial medical treatment, including medications and surgery — are disqualified from military service except under certain limited circumstances.” The prohibition includes people who have already transitioned."

    $41 million/yr for Viagra? Totes fine.

    $9 million/yr for gender dysphoria treatment? Nope can't be doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    Are Asian privilege and Jewish privilege valid concepts in your view?
    The success of these immigrant groups in the US are due to them being freely able to prosper and live without the state sanctioned oppression in which generations of black families have lived through. Elementary US history here. Asian immigrants via San Francisco in the mid 1800s were not persecuted and discriminated against relative to the sheer terror and suffering black Americans endured for hundreds of years in Jim Crow South. Same story with Jewish immigrants in New York.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leotheras the Blind View Post
    Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to change my mind. Explain white privilege to me, without saying in a round about way that white people are better, and I'll hear you out. Because it's conservatives and the centralists believe people are people and the only disparity between people is economic, which transcends race.
    TL;DR -
    White privilege is not having the police called on a you as a little girl for selling water.
    White privilege is being able to ask for directions without being shot at.
    White privilege is working as a firefighter not and having cops called on you during your job. Despite wearing your uniform. Despite having paperwork and ID. Despite having a real firetruck parked right on the side of the street.
    White privilege is being able to go home to your foster parents without being treated like a burglar and pepper sprayed.
    White privilege is being able to trust in the police and the justice system.
    White privilege is being able to enjoy barbeques, idle time at restaurants & public places, pool time, a quick nap, walking home, moving into a new area, or opening your front door without fear of getting cops called on you, getting brutalized, killed, arrested, or harassed.

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    White privilege is being able to have the benefit of the doubt in most situations, being treated like an equal, being considered """"normal"""", easily receiving common decency, good service, and acceptance in social situations, not having the cops called on you for so much as breathing while any other skin color, not being quickly stereotyped on all manner of subjects, not being taken advantage of as a community or given the short end of the stick to white communities, going wherever you want without fear of racist communities, not having to watch the way you talk/dress/posture as you go about your daily life, existing as part of the demographic majority in a society full of systemic corruption against the minority, etc. I could go on. White privilege is not thinking it/racism exists, or just being able to live a hapless normal life without worrying about any of the above, due to having never personally experienced the other side.

    White privilege is not having society treat you like a second-rate citizen, and being able to feel comfortable and safe in your own skin while outside.

    Nothing about that has anything to due with whites "being better", and anyone who thinks that has shit-for-brains. Skin color is a ridiculous and unfair way to determine value and racism is always inherently morally wrong. It has to do with the differences in life that many generations of racial bias, prejudice, and systemic corruption has created.

    Also a side note: I don't consider myself a part of the left or right, but from what i've seen and heard, conservatives classically hold a lot of racial bias in their group. You could disagree, sure, but that doesn't disappear all the countless conservatives who hold racially charged views, or the long history of prejudice from that political party. People can believe in equality, sure, but that doesn't mean they actually practice what they preach, let's be real here. Whether consciously or unconsciously, everyone is biased, prejudiced, racist, etc in some way or another. Such things are magnified in a society or community of similar people especially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellrod View Post
    White privilege is being able to have the benefit of the doubt in most situations, being treated like an equal, being considered """"normal"""", easily receiving common decency, good service, and acceptance in social situations, not having the cops called on you for so much as breathing while any other skin color, not being quickly stereotyped on all manner of subjects, going wherever you want without fear of racist communities, not having to watch the way you talk/dress/posture as you go about your daily life, existing as part of the demographic majority in a society full of systemic corruption against the minority, etc. I could go on. White privilege is not thinking it/racism exists, or just being able to live a hapless normal life without worrying about any of the above, due to having never personally experienced the other side.

    White privilege is not having society treat you like a second-rate citizen.

    Nothing about that has anything to due with whites "being better", because skin color is a ridiculous and unfair way to determine value and racism is always inherently morally wrong. It has to do with the differences in life that many generations of racial bias, prejudice, and systemic corruption has created. For example, There was recently of a black foster child who had the cops called on him by a neighbor when he knocked on the door of his white foster parents. The cops pepper sprayed that kid. Wouldn't have happened if he was white.

    People can believe in equality, sure, but that doesn't mean they actually practice what they preach, let's be real here. Whether consciously or unconsciously, everyone is biased, prejudiced, racist, etc in some way or another.
    White privilege is being able to knock on a door and ask for directions, or for help because you crashed your car, without getting shot at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    The success of these immigrant groups in the US are due to them being freely able to prosper and live without the state sanctioned oppression in which generations of black families have lived through. Elementary US history here. Asian immigrants via San Francisco in the mid 1800s were not persecuted and discriminated against relative to the sheer terror and suffering black Americans endured for hundreds of years in Jim Crow South. Same story with Jewish immigrants in New York.
    ....you do realize it's 2019, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellrod View Post
    White privilege is being able to have the benefit of the doubt in most situations, being treated like an equal, being considered """"normal"""", easily receiving common decency, good service, and acceptance in social situations, not having the cops called on you for so much as breathing while any other skin color, not being quickly stereotyped on all manner of subjects, not being taken advantage of as a community or given the short end of the stick to white communities, going wherever you want without fear of racist communities, not having to watch the way you talk/dress/posture as you go about your daily life, existing as part of the demographic majority in a society full of systemic corruption against the minority, etc. I could go on. White privilege is not thinking it/racism exists, or just being able to live a hapless normal life without worrying about any of the above, due to having never personally experienced the other side.
    White privilege is not having society treat you like a second-rate citizen.
    People wil always feel somewhat more open and comfortable towards that which is closer to them.
    You'll find the same attitude in Japan with japanese citizens, or China with chinese citizens, or any other country in which a particular group is the majority: when faced with a stranger they'll naturally be more inclined towards those closer to them as they'll be perceived as slightly less "strangers" than the others.

    It's nothing but natural social reactions, and none of this is proof of some sort of oppressive or evil doing system at hand.

    Putting aside the mixture of paranoia and stuff that doesn't happen that was woven in, all the rest is nothing but common and natural "majority bias".


    For example, There was recently of a black foster child who had the cops called on him by a neighbor when he knocked on the door of his white foster parents. The cops pepper sprayed that kid at his own home, thinking he was a burglar. Wouldn't have happened if he were white. His parents would've just opened the door and let him inside, the end. Not sure what other people define it as, but to me, that's white privilege.
    Allow me to correct you then: that's arrogance. Yours.

    You don't know the people involved, you don't know the neighbour they were living in, you don't know the history at hand, you don't know the circumstances in which this happened and cannot know whether the police wouldn't have been called had the dude been white.

    If assumptions and arrogance is how white privilege is defined then that's clear proof we need to get rid of the notion as soon as possible.

    I don't consider myself a part of the left or right, but from what i've seen and heard, conservatives classically hold a lot of racial bias in their group. You could disagree, sure, but that doesn't disappear all the countless conservatives who hold racially charged views, or the long history of prejudice from that political party. People can believe in equality, sure, but that doesn't mean they actually practice what they preach, let's be real here. Whether consciously or unconsciously, everyone is biased, prejudiced, racist, etc in some way or another. Such things are magnified in a society or community of similar people especially.
    Which is why in the current american landscape it's the left, not conservatives, who's adopted Identity Politics based on race, gender and discounting of the individual.

    Food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellrod View Post
    For example, There was recently of a black foster child who had the cops called on him by a neighbor when he knocked on the door of his white foster parents. The cops pepper sprayed that kid at his own home, thinking he was a burglar. Wouldn't have happened if he were white. His parents would've just opened the door and let him inside, the end. Not sure what other people define it as, but to me, that's white privilege.
    That's not white privilege, it's racism, and other than actual white supremacists absolutely no one thinks it's ok.

    This is the issue that sticks in my craw with the constant identity politics being played right now by the left. Republicans aren't, in general, any more ok with racism than anyone else is. No one is calling for jim crow reintroduction. No one is saying that black people are inferior or deserve to be treated differently because of their skin color. What they are saying is that we already passed the laws to fix these things. They aren't legal or socially acceptable in any situation. Acting like this is some kind of epidemic that hasn't drastically improved over the last 50 years is frankly disingenuous. Too much hyperbole which has resulted in a lot of misdirected anger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    And if you did the same for black/muslim supremacists you'd get a lot of Democrats.
    They DID run it for "Muslim supermacists". That's how they shut down ISIS on Twitter. Did you even read the title?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    That's not white privilege, it's racism, and other than actual white supremacists absolutely no one thinks it's ok.

    This is the issue that sticks in my craw with the constant identity politics being played right now by the left. Republicans aren't, in general, any more ok with racism than anyone else is. No one is calling for jim crow reintroduction. No one is saying that black people are inferior or deserve to be treated differently because of their skin color. What they are saying is that we already passed the laws to fix these things. They aren't legal or socially acceptable in any situation. Acting like this is some kind of epidemic that hasn't drastically improved over the last 50 years is frankly disingenuous. Too much hyperbole which has resulted in a lot of misdirected anger.
    The problem is that it stopped "improving" and started skewing in the other direction again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    Thats not neo nazi symbol but we have been over this already. Its used by few neo nazis tho.
    The swastika isn't a Nazi symbol, it's just used by a few Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipaq View Post
    Just like Microsoft Bing sanitizing search results for Santorum.

    To see the obvious bias from Microsoft, search "Santorum" in both google and bing.


    Ahahaha!

    P.S. You made me use Bing, I don't know how you sleep at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    The problem is that it stopped "improving" and started skewing in the other direction again.
    Imagine actually believing this is the case.
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    Yes, I think a company should be legally allowed to refuse to serve black people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Has lost its way View Post
    Kind of depends on the person who makes it. I don't see what point you are trying to make with this.
    The algorithm would be programmed to find white supremacists, the same way they programmed it to find ISIS members.

    Are you saying that opposing white supremacy is "leftist"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    you think algorithm is code for unbiased? The thing with code and algorithms is that you can basically make it do whatever you want it to. So it can be anything and nothing.
    So were they biased when they wrote the one that dug out ISIS members?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d00mGuArD View Post
    I stopped there. Who cares what this random no-name dude believes? He may believe the earth is flat for all I care.
    He's being asked about it because Twitter managed to purge ISIS from its platform using algorithms, so the obvious question is why they haven't done the same for white supremacists.

    The answer is obvious, but journalists interview people to get these kinds of replies because that's how journalism works...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlae View Post
    Sorry, the left/democrats are far closer to ISIS. Or whatever the new version call themselves.
    What's ISIS's policy on gay marriage? Abortion? Separation of church and state? Feminism?

    ISIS are literally conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Imagine actually believing this is the case.
    "In 2015, 14,997 law enforcement agencies participated in the Hate Crime Statistics Program. Of these agencies, 1,742 reported 5,850 hate crime incidents involving 6,885 offenses. (See Tables 1 and 12.)" -FBI Hate Crime Statistics

    "In 2016, 15,254 law enforcement agencies participated in the Hate Crime Statistics Program. Of these agencies, 1,776 reported 6,121 hate crime incidents involving 7,321 offenses. (See Tables 1 and 12.)" -FBI Hate Crime Statistics

    "In 2017, 16,149 law enforcement agencies participated in the Hate Crime Statistics Program. Of these agencies, 2,040 reported 7,175 hate crime incidents involving 8,437 offenses. (See Tables 1 and 12.)" -FBI Hate Crime Statistics

    Feel free to check it for yourself https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
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