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    Quote Originally Posted by Justpassing View Post
    Yeah yours is "right" but it got turned around in 30's and 40's. More information for our younger folk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_ca...ake_and_eat_it
    I'd give you a silver medal if I could. Thank you for the information! All I knew was that the Unabomber would say it in the "correct" order as well
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    No permabans for botting, this tells you everything you need to know about Blizzard nowadays.

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    Regardless of your point of view on whether people should be allowed to use tmorph and similar things, it does seem a bit shitty to tolerate that people use it for over a decade before randomly just banning outright for 6 months with no warning at all.

    A warning, rather than a ban, is the way to go. If people want to continue using these things after the warning, then by all means ramp it up to a ban. But this random zero tolerance ban after years upon years of allowing people to use it was a little heavy handed

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    they don't hurt anything.
    You don't know that and that's the issue.

    Blizzard personally doesn't care about mods that change your tits size, but they do care when someone is changing the client and when they detect that they can't just easily know what these changes are for.

    You could for example change the terrain in a way that benefits you, like that one guild did in AQ40 where they removed a piece of the floor after the first boss so that they could skip all bosses and reach Cthun directly... or how on private servers players change the map of WSG in such a way that they can pick up the flag and go through a tunnel under the world to their homebase, or how players have changed the map of Molten Core so that they could safely mine dark iron ore.

    And like who knows, maybe even just a harmless tits mod can have some unexpected consequence. Maybe changing the size of your tits will have an effect on the client-side hitbox which could mean that you could be small enough to fit through some things you weren't supposed to etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leih View Post
    Regardless of your point of view on whether people should be allowed to use tmorph and similar things, it does seem a bit shitty to tolerate that people use it for over a decade before randomly just banning outright for 6 months with no warning at all.

    A warning, rather than a ban, is the way to go. If people want to continue using these things after the warning, then by all means ramp it up to a ban. But this random zero tolerance ban after years upon years of allowing people to use it was a little heavy handed
    AFAIK Blizzard has already been baning people for using things like tmorph since MoP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy View Post
    No permabans for botting, this tells you everything you need to know about Blizzard nowadays.
    this ban wave is no about botting dude, you cant read
    if you dont know there some people make models swap or edited maps in client....

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    it's lame to ban tiddy mods. they don't hurt anything.
    They didn't ban tiddy mods specifically, they blanket-banned clientside model editing because it's too easy to sneak in model edits that give you an unfair ingame advantage (such as replacing WSG flags with Ragnaros, or all enemy-faction player models with ogres to make them big and obvious, making it easy to set up an ambush or avoid PvP encounters). Tiddy mods are just collateral damage here because it's practically impossible to intelligently differentiate one model edit mod from another without making Warden resource-intensive (when Warden being very light on resource use is one of its best features).

    i really think they should just give a nude option for the game, like how conan exiles does it. have a setting where you see full, partial, or no nudity.
    When Blizz is constantly trying to entice new/returning players, getting rerated M by the ESRB is only going to hurt their chances in the age of Fortnite and Minecraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post
    AFAIK Blizzard has already been baning people for using things like tmorph since MoP.
    There's definitely been no large model edit banwaves in the whole of BFA, Legion or WoD till this point. I'm not aware of any banwaves on this scale for use of these things earlier than that, though of course I've heard individual reports of random small groups of people... but honestly they're probably botters who don't wanna admit it

    Certainly there has never been a banwave on this scale before. And no reported bans for at least the last 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leih View Post
    Certainly there has never been a banwave on this scale before. And no reported bans for at least the last 5 years.
    My guess is people got comfortable and started discussing the mods in public chat channels and posting videos using the mods on YouTube, and the powers that be got overzealous (as the update says, this is something that should've been 'warn first, then ban' but they went right to a harsh six-month ban).

    Moral of the story is, you're playing Russian roulette with clientside edits; even if Warden doesn't catch it now, doesn't mean it never will, and if Warden isn't catching it don't go around talking about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    My guess is people got comfortable and started discussing the mods in public chat channels and posting videos using the mods on YouTube, and the powers that be got overzealous (as the update says, this is something that should've been 'warn first, then ban' but they went right to a harsh six-month ban).

    Moral of the story is, you're playing Russian roulette with clientside edits; even if Warden doesn't catch it now, doesn't mean it never will, and if Warden isn't catching it don't go around talking about it.
    Nah it's not that.

    There's a bit more to it but it's probably not what I'm allowed to discuss here in any detail, mmo-champion frowns on it I think.

    Suffice it to say it's more related to a newer "streamlined" method of getting these things to work which shares some backdoors with some well known botting software and that's what caused these things to get suddenly caught up in the same banwave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
    Bigger bewbs is a lesser concern to me than having my account banned
    yeah but still they dont hurt anyone i guess haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
    Realism? Realism? LOL

    Those mods are typically about giving characters massive unrealistic breasts...
    which is why i just ask for nudity, not the ugly balloon tits i see while scrolling through porn on r34 sites.

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    It's sad that people can't play the game the way they want to. Blizz is like Burger King, "Have it your way" as long as it's the way we tell you to have it. So what if some pervs want to have big breasted female models? So what if someone wants to make it easier to play dungeons and raids? You're telling me Method doesn't use mods to keep their oh-so important world first lead? You're telling me that Blizzard takes issue with this but not the thousands of disgusting, perverted erotic TRP and MRP profiles in Moon Guard, Wyrmrest Accord and even other RP servers?

    Personally, I would love to be able to mod my Hunter's gun to sound like a GUN and not a stapler, or to have my character say custom dialogue options when I make an emote. But nooooo, that's against their ToS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berthier View Post
    no more big boobs in wow ....
    You really think that cute threat would stop anyone? The launcher will be updated in a few weeks and people will continue like nothing happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
    It's lame to run those mods, and why risk it when it's against the rules?

    People do know there is tons of free *exotic entertainment* out there on the net, right?
    People know, they just enjoy things different to you. I don't care about skin mods myself, but I don't think someone that wants to play with a Mod only he/she can see should be banworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy View Post
    No permabans for botting, this tells you everything you need to know about Blizzard nowadays.
    They haven't always permabanned at any point in WoW. So your attempt to try the usual "HURR NEW BLIZAARD IS CHANGED" is pointless.

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    this was a thing? people had a mod to make everything naked?

    that is hilarious
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    I had no idea this was a thing until today. People seriously go to that much effort to make a cartoon character have bigger boobs?

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    Well, this basically goes to show that Warden isn't good enough to discern between actual hacks/bots and model edits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post
    I had no idea this was a thing until today. People seriously go to that much effort to make a cartoon character have bigger boobs?
    It's actually a running theme for eastern MMO's always having females with big tits and asses, half-hanging out. They know the demo which is why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post
    I had no idea this was a thing until today. People seriously go to that much effort to make a cartoon character have bigger boobs?
    That's the easy thing to point out for people, but it also did other things such as changing the appearance of whole zones, changin races around (so say, tauren will replace draenei NPCS and your Draenei mage will look like a tauren mage to you) and so on, any visual change you can think of. Sometimes that could involve changes that gave you an advantage in Bgs/arenas.*

    *At least all of this information was accurate back in 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post
    I had no idea this was a thing until today. People seriously go to that much effort to make a cartoon character have bigger boobs?
    people like seeing tits and ass and dicks(big horse dicks, in the case of draenei)

    there doesn't need to be more of a justification than that imo.

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    Hmm. Wonder if this includes those 500+ people botting in Netherstorm (Botanica).

    Ah, it seems to be about rotation automation mainly and not afk farming.
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