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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    only in America is it crazy liberal to want healthcare which should say something to you.
    The republican position is that America cannot pay for both a massive military and universal health care. Europe and Canada can provide universal health care to its people because its military budget is very small. Its military budget is very small because they get free military service from the US.

    The options on the table are:

    1. Pay for both a massive US military budget and universal health care in the US. This means tax rates must go sky high and the US becomes noncompetitive on the global marketplace. Its economy collapses and business and corporations flee high tax rates. China becomes the world's superpower.
    2. Make massive cuts to the US military budget to pay for universal health care in the US. China becomes the world's superpower.
    3. Levy a tax on nations that have received substantial free military service from the US to protect it during the Cold War and in modern times. Nations that refuse to pay the tax will be removed from NATO / UN obligations to protect it from Russia, China, etc. That means allowing Russia and China to invade Poland or Germany or Scandinavia or whomever else refuses to pay the tax.

    The core problem per republicans is the US is providing free military protection to all of Europe. That expenditure prevents the US from having universal health care. The money just isn't there to do it. It doesn't matter who you elect, no one is ever going to pass a universal health care law in the US. That's why Obama wins in 2008 and has a supermajority and can pass pretty much anything he wants and just passes an insurance thingy with a tax on people who don't have insurance.
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    both parents republicans, well, till Bush II for my mom, and Trump to drive out my dad
    me, I thought well of republicans here cause of Ann Richards, but that ended when the party went nuts
    guess Candaice Owens was right, there is a #Blexit

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    Why did the fbi make an mmo champion account?
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    both parents republicans, well, till Bush II for my mom, and Trump to drive out my dad
    me
    , I thought well of republicans here cause of Ann Richards, but that ended when the party went nuts
    guess Candaice Owens was right, there is a #Blexit
    Just to be clear, you voted for McCain and Romney in 2008 and 2012? Then you switched at Trump in 2016?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demsi View Post
    "Cnn is centrist"

    Now i've heard it all


    As far as my family go i come from a working class family so i'd say left leaning, my father was a socialist as a young man but he moved further to the center as he got older, my mother is a very big supporter of the public sector (our health sector in perticular), they both vote for the Norwegian labour party.
    It is though they and they criticize Trump because most of the thing he does are negative. He also lies a lot. That website says fox is right wing when fox is basically state run media. They literally cover other events while breaking news about Trump is out. Than try to put a spin on it. Cnn doesn't do that shit at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    You haven't seen a single pro-gun democrat? Now you're a liar...

    Anti-abortion is your primary concern? Tell me do you want to expand welfare to take care of these children you want to force to be born? Are you going to hire more officers to deal with the eventual crime of unwanted children?

    Government run healthcare isn't "left wing" the concept that "government run healthcare" is "leftwing" is fucking stupid...as the majority of the world agrees on this concept who are both conservative and liberal. Healthcare is just a right people think people should have, only in America is it crazy liberal to want healthcare which should say something to you.

    You mention people you would vote for that wouldn't be republicans in the modern era

    Also Regan fucked the economy over and you'd want more of that seriously?
    While I'd love to go into more detail about how... to put it delicately, 'interesting' your statements are, I'd rather just address it as a whole, as it relates to the thread. You can refer to my signature in response to the bolded statement, which even a Frech man could understand centuries ago.

    What's considered left/right-wing is so superfluous and propagandized that it's pretty much pointless nowadays to nail it down. Even today I see Republicans who'd be considered left of many Democrats, and I see Democrats who'd be considered right of many Republicans, because the labels themselves are rather flawed right now (and the propagandizing of labels isn't helping, by design). Even in the past 100 years, what was considered a Democrat has changed drastically when it comes to the average voter and citizen, especially where those in control of said party have taken and wish to take it. I see it quite a bit in these forums, where left-leaning people tend to bash religious people, particularly Catholics... but they fail to realize that heavily religious people were the core voting block for the Democrats about 50 years ago. What happened? The party moved away from them, embracing abortion, and suddenly the rhetoric from Democrats went from embracing Christians on a large scale to using them as a butt of a joke. This isn't the only topic where the party kept moving left and ostracizing everyone in the middle, and you can tell when a Democratic candidate comes out and says anything remotely considered right-wing and gets crucified by their own.

    Anyways, don't want to digress too much, but it kind of puts into context my parents. In their younger days, they would've said they're Democrat, but that is by no means what Democrat is today. The big sticking point is that they did not want government interference in their lives and thought it was very wrong, no matter how bad things could be, and they thought the concept of redistribution of wealth was theft, and that they wanted lower taxes for everyone and didn't want the government overspending money on crap it wasn't supposed to spend on (keep in mind, your average Democrats used to think this). If you talk to them nowadays, they're not party affiliated because the Democrats have moved so far away from what the party used to believe over time. They aren't Republican not because of policy necessarily, as they embrace many tenants that the Democrats used to embrace before going extreme, but they don't like the lifetime politicians in either major party (current terms would put it as the 'establishment').

    Despite my parents being Democrat at the time, they instilled in me the rights of the individual and the ethic to work for myself instead of being a slave to the government and welfare, no matter how poor we were... which is now scorned by the same party. Sure enough, without government assistance and with the help of neighbors and our church, we survived and moved up in life with hard work. My parents are still very religious, my father is even a pastor who operates a homeless shelter. Over the years I've known him, his ideas of what the role of the federal government should be with the citizenry hasn't really changed much, as well as policies, and the Democrat party that once would accept him would now shun him for what he believes.
    “Society is endangered not by the great profligacy of a few, but by the laxity of morals amongst all.”
    “It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the 'right' to education, the 'right' to health care, the 'right' to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViolenceJackRespectsWomen View Post
    Why did the fbi make an mmo champion account?
    Because they felt like it? The FBI is welcome to enter our discussions.

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    Mixed. My dad was a conservative voter. He was big into Thatcher during the 80's so yea blame him. My dad did vote UKIP a while back but I am not sure if he is still with them. I think he went back to Conservative again. While my mum was a labour voter she has kind of switched to conservative over the last 15 years. Last time my mum voted Labour was when Tony Blair was PM.

    I used to be a Liberal Demonocrat voter when I first got the right to vote back in 2001, that changed when the coalition agreement happened back in 2010.

    My sister is a Conservative voter and so if her husband.
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    Right wing. In some ways, I am probably the least conservative person in my family, which would probably amuse anyone on this site familiar with me. I am definitely the harshest in my family when it comes to things like the death penalty, or strict law and punishment in general, but when it comes to things like religious views or certain social standards, I am the least conservative. Though to be fair, most of that probably comes from being cynical and indifferent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Because they felt like it? The FBI is welcome to enter our discussions.
    It was a joke put woooshhhhhhhh.
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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Just to be clear, you voted for McCain and Romney in 2008 and 2012? Then you switched at Trump in 2016?
    me, I thought well of republicans here cause of Ann Richards, but that ended when the party went nuts
    not sure how you came up with that from the line above unless the format on your screen does some interesting editing

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    I didn't get any religion or political direction imposed on me, but they were definitely left-leaning, progressive and all of that. Neither of my parents cared too much about politics though, let alone want to discuss it with me.

  13. #53
    Conservative but left economically.

    I hated it but I love them both either way.
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

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    I was raised by a single mother who was very liberal. She didn't want to work and wanted the government to pay for everything. I guess thats why im so conservative now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    not sure how you came up with that from the line above unless the format on your screen does some interesting editing
    I was just wondering about the voting record. A lot of people claim impartialiaty which is quickly dispelled by voting records.

    Quote Originally Posted by ViolenceJackRespectsWomen View Post
    It was a joke put woooshhhhhhhh.
    Haha, I thought you were a serious conspiracy nutter.
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    I grew up in a moderate right leaning wing. I was a rebel so I was far left wing. Now I'm slowly going right.

    I expect to be in Wayoming in 10 years.

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    My father is and was a registered Republican. But his economic views really only lined up with Republicans in terms of free trade. His views on taxes were more in line with what I consider to be Democrat. His opinion on social issues are hit and miss. He admits he registered Republican to spite his own father(who was a dick). He hates majority of lobby's and considers most Republican politicians to be ignoring majority of voters concerns.

    My mom is currently Republican but was registered Democrat when I was younger. She is very much fiscally Republican. Most of her other views are in line with Democrat.

    Both vehemently oppose Donald Trump. They were pretty disgusted that the Republicans supported him over Kasich.

    I am very much a left leaning person myself. I believe free trade is important for global economic success. But I'm also what I consider a supporter of Global Marxism. I realize "socialism doesnt work." In my opinion Socialism is ideal but basic human tribalist ape brain logic prevents this.

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    Definitely a center-left household here.

    Though politics were never really discussed, voting always went the same way.
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  19. #59
    My father was a disillusioned republican in the last years of his life; was a Republican through most his life, but couldn't recognize any of the modern Republicans as true Republicans.

    My mother is is mixed on certain issues. She dislikes Obama, but heavily dislikes Trump just to give you an idea where she stands.

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    Conservative I guess but the details of my life are quite inconsequential...

    My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery.
    My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet.

    My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark.
    Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

    My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets.

    When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really.
    At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles.

    There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try i

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