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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Ideally there should be a balance, but humans do not seem to understand or stick long, to the concept of Temperance.
    Is this really about Temperance (which seems more synonymous with abstinence), or about moderation?
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    Senator Moore will be sitting in that seat and I hope it burns you to your core.
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    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    Well, without you, he might not have children, which in essence means he wouldn't need you to raise his children since they wouldn't exist.

    BUT! He obviously wants a wife, and children, and he cannot have that without you. So he absolutely needs you and depends on you.

    Do that shit! That is awesome!
    He depends entirely on me to take care of him to some extent, he'd be tragically helpless without me, and on some level, he knows I could replace him if I chose. But in our relationship, I'm the one who comes from a much better off family. He is funny, good looking, loyal and good in bed.

    Our little family is effectively a matriarchy with me making demands and sitting like a queen bee. If he were more domineering maybe I'd be closer to a radfem and have Moralgy's opinions, but the fact is I have a kind of slave in my hand and a wonderful daughter to focus on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moralgy View Post
    "Motherhood" won't feed the bills, and this world revolves around money. You can value raising a child very highly, but at the end of the day, your child will starve without an income in the house. From a pure "staying alive" situation, the income section of the house is going to be more important than the child raising part in that kind of situation. While in your current situation it does work since he does want a family, if he dies, you are lowkey screwed until you find a job that isn't just entry level and your child will suffer for it.
    If he dies, she most likely will get a very large life insurance pay out.

    I know several of my friends who are married, that if the husband unexpectedly passed away, that the wife wouldn't have to work for quite a while, if ever again.
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    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Yep, observation and reflection. Unfortunately we seem to mostly focus on one in our culture, and not the other anymore.
    And we can tied this into the actual subject of this thread. Incels, self reflection and external observations. Rather than focusing on the negative aspects they see in themselves, and the negative things they observe in others, perhaps it would be best if they started looking at the positives, or the potential to turn things around to be positive for themselves. It helped me when I felt lonely and isolated, feeling like life is leaving me behind and there was no hope for me to find happiness. I found solace in a new group of people who I felt I belonged to. People who were odd, quirky, and had a rough past, but were able to rise above it all and find their personal success and happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaderas View Post
    Is this really about Temperance (which seems more synonymous with abstinence), or about moderation?
    Temperance (of the cardinal/stoic virtues) means: restraint, the practice of self-control, abstention, discretion, and moderation tempering the appetition. Can also mean "mindfulness" or sound-mindedness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moralgy View Post
    "Motherhood" won't feed the bills, and this world revolves around money. You can value raising a child very highly, but at the end of the day, your child will starve without an income in the house. From a pure "staying alive" situation, the income section of the house is going to be more important than the child raising part in that kind of situation. While in your current situation it does work since he does want a family, if he dies, you are lowkey screwed until you find a job that isn't just entry level and your child will suffer for it.
    Well there is no worry about that. So, given that the bases are covered, why not spend time with her and focus on other persuites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    And we can tied this into the actual subject of this thread. Incels, self reflection and external observations. Rather than focusing on the negative aspects they see in themselves, and the negative things they observe in others, perhaps it would be best if they started looking at the positives, or the potential to turn things around to be positive for themselves. It helped me when I felt lonely and isolated, feeling like life is leaving me behind and there was no hope for me to find happiness. I found solace in a new group of people who I felt I belonged to. People who were odd, quirky, and had a rough past, but were able to rise above it all and find their personal success and happiness.
    Agreed, but some of them do not know any of this, as it does not come "naturally" and our society is mostly about "Just be yourself!"... what if "yourself" is a lonely, awkward loner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moralgy View Post
    If it made you happy that is great, but that isn't going to be the case for everyone. The people I am arguing with end up being in the camp of "it is bad and you would be happier if you stayed at home." It is what I even initially responded to in this thread, that it would not make me happy, personally, so forcing it on women is a bad thing.
    Definitely should not be forced to stay at home if you don't want to. But OTOH, it should definitely not be forced to go out and get a career, if you're happy being a housewife (and your finances support it)
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    Senator Moore will be sitting in that seat and I hope it burns you to your core.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Well there is no worry about that. So, given that the bases are covered, why not spend time with her and focus on other persuites?
    If it works for you, go for it, but for myself, I would rather plan for the future and possible "what ifs" more than feeling safe and thinking that income someone else is making for me is going to last forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaderas View Post
    Definitely should not be forced to stay at home if you don't want to. But OTOH, it should definitely not be forced to go out and get a career, if you're happy being a housewife (and your finances support it)
    Which I wouldn't argue against what so ever, I would just say "be prepared for the worse case scenario" when it comes to stay at home moms. I've seen 2 friends, probably ex friends at this point, have their husband leave them and they were shit out of luck without an income anymore. Child support doesn't pay enough when the man its coming from isn't super rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moralgy View Post
    If it made you happy that is great, but that isn't going to be the case for everyone. The people I am arguing with end up being in the camp of "it is bad and you would be happier if you stayed at home." It is what I even initially responded to in this thread, that it would not make me happy, personally, so forcing it on women is a bad thing.
    I am surprised you're giving those people a time of the day. If it makes you happy, however, keep banging your head against the wall. Have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Agreed, but some of them do not know any of this, as it does not come "naturally" and our society is mostly about "Just be yourself!"... what if "yourself" is a lonely, awkward loner?
    It could be. And if that is the case, then so be it for those folks, lol. They either have to learn to be content with being a loner, or make the change they want to see in themselves. Hopefully they have someone close enough to them that can lend them a helping hand to push them forward when they can't push themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eveningforest View Post
    I am surprised you're giving those people a time of the day. If it makes you happy, however, keep banging your head against the wall. Have fun.
    I found arguing on this forum makes me far less argumentative at work with dumbasses. It is the only reason I came back here lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaderas View Post
    If he dies, she most likely will get a very large life insurance pay out.

    I know several of my friends who are married, that if the husband unexpectedly passed away, that the wife wouldn't have to work for quite a while, if ever again.
    It isn't always going to be a certainty unless you are from an already middle class or above family. At that point, you can ride the money your husband was able to pool in the bank account for a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    It could be. And if that is the case, then so be it for those folks, lol. They either have to learn to be content with being a loner, or make the change they want to see in themselves. Hopefully they have someone close enough to them that can lend them a helping hand to push them forward when they can't push themselves.
    Currently, it seems that they just rot in their own hell, till one of the "braver" ones turn their living hell into reality, shooting up people, driving over people, etc, etc...

    And that growth, that trend, does not seem like it is slowing down in society.
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    Social Isolation is a problem, but the average person is heartless, so they have no problem in encouraging/demonizing already lonely people to remain the way they are.

    The lack of sympathy for other people is a much bigger problem that is also untreatable save for mass lobotomies that trick people into thinking others are worth loving save for "exceptions" (see: family, friends, wife, children).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    Social Isolation is a problem, but the average person is heartless, so they have no problem in encouraging/demonizing already lonely people to remain the way they are.
    That is my issue with this whole thing... Society is doing exactly what they think society would, and are justifying their hate, and magnifying it. It is idiotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Currently, it seems that they just rot in their own hell, till one of the "braver" ones turn their living hell into reality, shooting up people, driving over people, etc, etc...

    And that growth, that trend, does not seem like it is slowing down in society.
    Tragically true. I can't even begin to come up with a potential solution for it. Nothing outside of the 'see something, say something' message that is being taught in some schools. I know there is potential for abuse of that system, but there is cause for its necessity as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    That is my issue with this whole thing... Society is doing exactly what they think society would, and are justifying their hate, and magnifying it. It is idiotic.
    Because people think lonely people are dangerous/evil, and they have no chance of bouncing back, so they're better off dead. Hence the goading until they snap/kill themselves/kill others.

    The average human thinks that others are BAD and have no chance of redemption or changing. And there is no way to fix this.

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    They're teenaged boys with autism. I think you're over-thinking it.

    Socially inept, check.
    Swarming in one place on the internet and circlejerking with hate, check.
    Obsessions over weird and outlandish things, check.
    Obsessions with guns, check.
    Weird and or sickening fetishes, check.

    That's the internet checklist on how to tell someone has autism. If there is at least 2/4, chances are they are on the spectrum.

    The media and twitter has built them up to be this problematic gang of supervillains who seek to destroy all life. But in reality, they are the biproduct of giving your autistic child unsupervised access to the internet. Which, if parents who bothered to learn how autism truly works, would know this is a major no-no.

    Social isolation, anger issues, depression. These are three things that plague an autistic individual. Letting them do as they please without therapy to help them understand themselves better is basically handing them a gun and telling them to go wild.


    Any further discussion on this is just fodder spewed by people with absolutely no understanding, and are only saying so because the internet and TV tells them to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    He depends entirely on me to take care of him to some extent, he'd be tragically helpless without me, and on some level, he knows I could replace him if I chose. But in our relationship, I'm the one who comes from a much better off family. He is funny, good looking, loyal and good in bed.

    Our little family is effectively a matriarchy with me making demands and sitting like a queen bee. If he were more domineering maybe I'd be closer to a radfem and have Moralgy's opinions, but the fact is I have a kind of slave in my hand and a wonderful daughter to focus on.
    Dude no offense but you sound like a huge red flag to me. I am definitely an incel and have looked extensively at the redpill/incel communities and you are such a tripe of a person. You seem to know about the dark humors of life yet embrace it. I truly wonder how you would treat your daughter if something terrible were to happen to her and suddenly she becomes ugly. Where will that motherhood of yours go then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    Tragically true. I can't even begin to come up with a potential solution for it. Nothing outside of the 'see something, say something' message that is being taught in some schools. I know there is potential for abuse of that system, but there is cause for its necessity as well.
    I do not think that will work:

    Synagogue suspect's homicidal hatred seemed to appear out of nowhere, even by his own account
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/30/us/ca...est/index.html

    A nihilistic zitegist, which manifests as "mephistopheles", (or the "Death Instinct") archetype in the psyche, has a tendency to quickly posses people...


    ‘Why did you do this?’
    His brother confessed to gunning down 17 people in Parkland. But he's the only family Zach Cruz has left.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.42647caad986
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