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  1. #421
    I don't understand why people care about Epic exclusives. Are people really that lazy these days that they don't want to spend 5 seconds opening a different launcher to play a game they enjoy? Are people really so petty that they deny themselves a game they would enjoy just because they have beef (for some reason) with a specific company?


    If I enjoy a game I enjoy a game, I don't care who made it or where it is sold.
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  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    I don't understand why people care about Epic exclusives. Are people really that lazy these days that they don't want to spend 5 seconds opening a different launcher to play a game they enjoy? Are people really so petty that they deny themselves a game they would enjoy just because they have beef (for some reason) with a specific company?
    I don't understand why devs care about Epic exclusivity. Are devs really that lazy these days that they don't want to spend 5 seconds creating a page on a different launcher to sell the game they made? Are people really so petty that they deny themselves sales they would enjoy just because they have beef (for some reason) with a specific company?
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  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    I don't understand why devs care about Epic exclusivity. Are devs really that lazy these days that they don't want to spend 5 seconds creating a page on a different launcher to sell the game they made? Are people really so petty that they deny themselves sales they would enjoy just because they have beef (for some reason) with a specific company?
    Childish retort aside, it's pretty obvious that the reason devs care about it is because they get a lot of money from the deal and contrary to the vocal minority most people will buy the game because they enjoy it regardless of what platform it is on. The angry people are always the loudest.
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  4. #424
    Psyonix is filled with SJW trash, so who the fuck cares about that dumpster fire.

  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    Childish retort aside, it's pretty obvious that the reason devs care about it is because they get a lot of money from the deal and contrary to the vocal minority most people will buy the game because they enjoy it regardless of what platform it is on. The angry people are always the loudest.
    Calling those who disagree with you "petty" and "lazy" is even more childish. Other than that, they don't care that I need to install fucking garbage to play their games, I don't care about how much money they receive. Quid pro quo.
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    They never found one though

  6. #426
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    I don't understand why devs care about Epic exclusivity. Are devs really that lazy these days that they don't want to spend 5 seconds creating a page on a different launcher to sell the game they made? Are people really so petty that they deny themselves sales they would enjoy just because they have beef (for some reason) with a specific company?

    You really don't? It's for the same reason why developers accept those deals.

    Money.
    Pay-2-Win?

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  7. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    Calling those who disagree with you "petty" and "lazy" is even more childish. Other than that, they don't care that I need to install fucking garbage to play their games, I don't care about how much money they receive. Quid pro quo.
    Why is the Epic launcher garbage? What makes it so unpleasant to use? It's just another game launcher..

    I've played games (and still do) that still use launchers that look like they were made in 2001 and are fairly irritating to use. But I spend like 5 seconds on the launcher and then get into the game.. not playing a game that would give you potentially hundreds of hours of enjoyment and you genuinely want to play just to not spend a few seconds on a launcher you don't like it just an alien concept to me.

    Would I stop eating bacon if the best store in my area stopped selling it and I had to go to a different one to purchase it? Of course not, I love bacon, why would I deny myself that just for a slight inconvenience.
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  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    And your proof is?
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Do you have literally anything other than your imagination to back this assertion up?
    The only two using their imaginations here seem to be you two. You would have to be delusional to think they believed an exclusive deal would net them the same numbers as releasing on everything.

    Do you really believe that a store that doesn't even have a shopping cart, a friends list, and is fresh is going to have millions of users in the second or third week out? There is a reason Epic is having to buy all these timed exclusives and its not saving the devs from steam like epic tries to claim.

    And it doesn't even matter as my point was we have no idea what they expected so exceeding expectations doesn't necessarily equate to amazing numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Epic told everyone if you believe their word. The developer that raised their price even said they were going to raise the price anyways and it was bad timing to do it with the sale. Plenty of developers on Steam don't participate in the steam sales or do so to a minor degree. It is a non-issue.
    Its possible they told them but clearly wires got crossed and shit. There were games who changed their prices so the epic sale price wouldn't count, others who raised it then said its because they were adding new content yet conveniently did it during a sale, unreleased games that made Epic take their games off the store entirely(albeit temporarily) after they too were marked down when they didn't want to be, etc...
    Last edited by qwerty123456; 2019-05-26 at 04:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    I don't understand why devs care about Epic exclusivity. Are devs really that lazy these days that they don't want to spend 5 seconds creating a page on a different launcher to sell the game they made? Are people really so petty that they deny themselves sales they would enjoy just because they have beef (for some reason) with a specific company?
    It's not the developers choice unless they self publish, which rarely happens anymore. It's driven by the publishers, and they care more about making as much money up front as possible. So even if a game sells millions of copies on Steam, and ironically, EGS won't really make a game like Rocket League more popular since the game has been out for a few years and has already likely hit it's peak.

    If there's one downside to Steam in it's current state, it's that users are often intentionally waiting for sales to buy games. But as a consumer, I get that mentality because in an ever growing age of wealth disparity, gamers would be among the biggest penny pinchers when it comes to their entertainment. Sure, there's a lot of people who buy games at release, but a lot of people don't, especially on Steam. Those who wait for sales drive down the earnings potential, knowing that brand new games are often on sale within a few months. So there's a catch 22 with services like Steam where consumers are so used to discounts. I can understand why publishers want to fight back on that sort of practice.

    To me it makes more sense to get Valve contractually obligated to keep a game on for regular price for a set period of time before putting it on discount. Having to wait a year for instance, before the first sale, makes it really hard for people to justify waiting to buy a game.

    Congrats to the 11 fools who made the ignore list, your ignorance knows no bounds, bravo!

  10. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    The only two using their imaginations here seem to be you two. You would have to be delusional to think they believed an exclusive deal would net them the same numbers as releasing on everything.
    That's a fair point, but also not what I was responding to. I was responding to a post where someone implied that they expected sales to be poor, which there is zero information to support that being the case. Quite the contrary, all evidence points to strong and successful PC sales despite being EGS exclusive.

    If they had posted saying, "They expected lower sales than if they were non-exclusive" then yes, that would be correct and I'd agree. But that's not what they posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Do you really believe that a store that doesn't even have a shopping cart, a friends list, and is fresh is going to have millions of users in the second or third week out? There is a reason Epic is having to buy all these timed exclusives and its not saving the devs from steam like epic tries to claim.
    Uh...yeah, actually. It sold over 300K there already, and they've got a huge built-in userbase from Fortnite. And yes, the reason they're buying the exclusives is precisely to that end - to grow their userbase. That's literally the point. Pay money for exclusives, get new users through that and free games, retain users through sales like other storefronts, aim to have a healthy ecosystem of users that can sustain the storefront without exclusives in the longterm.

    And Epic has always been transparent that they're buying exclusives to get folks to use their store. Sure, they talk up how they're helping developers in the PC space (which they are between their lower store cuts and stuff like the $500M software development grant), but they've never once tried to hide the fact that exclusives are done to get folks to use the store.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    And it doesn't even matter as my point was we have no idea what they expected so exceeding expectations doesn't necessarily equate to amazing numbers.
    Maybe not, "OH MY GOD WE CAN RETIRE EARLY!" numbers, but we know it was successful. It's rare that companies will project losses, they're always going to be at least cautiously optimistic. So if it's meeting, and exceeding, their projections, then by all definitions it's successful for them. How successful? We can't say for sure, but we can easily qualify it as a success.

  11. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    You would have to be delusional to think they believed an exclusive deal would net them the same numbers as releasing on everything.
    Numbers of sales? Yeah, probably not... but then again, the few sales don't make just because people don't want to use Epic Launcher are easily covered by the extra they get from the exclusivity deal and the larger cut than they would get in other platforms.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Do you really believe that a store that doesn't even have a shopping cart, a friends list...


    ???
    Last edited by Myobi; 2019-05-26 at 06:26 PM.
    Pay-2-Win?

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  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Numbers of sales? Yeah, probably not... but then again, the few sales don't make just because people don't want to use Epic Launcher are easily covered by the extra they get from the exclusivity deal and the larger cut than they would get in other platforms.
    I think the exclusivity deal money was probably more incentive than the dev cut percentage considering they could have launched on everything and still got the cut from whoever bought on epic.



    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And Epic has always been transparent that they're buying exclusives to get folks to use their store. Sure, they talk up how they're helping developers in the PC space (which they are between their lower store cuts and stuff like the $500M software development grant), but they've never once tried to hide the fact that exclusives are done to get folks to use the store.
    Didn't Tim say if Steam lowered their cut he would stop doing exclusives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Uh...yeah, actually. It sold over 300K there already, and they've got a huge built-in userbase from Fortnite. And yes, the reason they're buying the exclusives is precisely to that end - to grow their userbase. That's literally the point. Pay money for exclusives, get new users through that and free games, retain users through sales like other storefronts, aim to have a healthy ecosystem of users that can sustain the storefront without exclusives in the longterm.

    Maybe not, "OH MY GOD WE CAN RETIRE EARLY!" numbers, but we know it was successful. It's rare that companies will project losses, they're always going to be at least cautiously optimistic. So if it's meeting, and exceeding, their projections, then by all definitions it's successful for them. How successful? We can't say for sure, but we can easily qualify it as a success.
    How many Fortnite players will actually buy other games tho? If they all did they wouldn't have needed to start buying exclusives. There are millions of Fortnite players that don't spend any money or only bought save the world for the free V-bucks. There's also people like me where I've probably spent more in Save the World(and a little in battle royale) than anyone on MMOChampion but I only installed the Epic launcher when Dauntless forced me to since I play Fortnite on Xbox. I'm not saying that there aren't Fortnite players that will buy games on the epic launcher just that they wouldn't have needed exclusives if number of players = number of paying customers for a different service.

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    I think the exclusivity deal money was probably more incentive than the dev cut percentage considering they could have launched on everything and still got the cut from whoever bought on epic.
    Most players who want the game will get it regardless the platform they are in, very few of them will actually boycott it over it, if all the sales are made just trough Epic store, that means that every single sale will get them 88% of the profits, while if they had to split the sales with Steam, that means a big chunk of the sales would just get them 70% of the profits… on top of the exclusivity deal bonus, it’s a win-win for the developers.
    Pay-2-Win?

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  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Most players who want the game will get it regardless the platform they are in, very few of them will actually boycott it over it, if all the sales are made just trough Epic store, that means that every single sale will get them 88% of the profits, while if they had to split the sales with Steam, that means a big chunk of the sales would just get them 70% of the profits… on top of the exclusivity deal bonus, it’s a win-win for the developers.
    And yet developers aren't just flocking to the epic store without the exclusivity deal. Hell there have even been some who have expressed displeasure when their publishers have done the epic exclusive.

  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Didn't Tim say if Steam lowered their cut he would stop doing exclusives?
    Yes, because practically it would not longer be affordable for Epic to buy exclusives at that point. They'd lose that advantage when it comes to the sales cut, which would drive up the asking price for exclusivity. It's a practical business decision - they can get games exclusively far cheaper now than they could if Steam had competitive revenue splits.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    How many Fortnite players will actually buy other games tho?
    How many Counter-Strike or Half Life players will buy other games?

    That's part of the challenge: They need to turn these players into now just Fortnite players, but EGS regulars. In addition to new users they need to turn these players into users of the store (which they're doing with the same tactics).

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    If they all did they wouldn't have needed to start buying exclusives.
    They're not foolish enough to think they can turn all Fortnite players into EGS users, hence why they're going after both them and non-EGS/Fortnite users/players. This isn't some half-assed thing, they're making a serious investment. They're going after as many users as they can, just just one small section of the market.

  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    And yet developers aren't just flocking to the epic store without the exclusivity deal. Hell there have even been some who have expressed displeasure when their publishers have done the epic exclusive.
    Why do you think that is? I mean, you said yourself that developers could just launch on everything and still get the bigger cuts from Epic sales, so what would they actually lose for just also tossing it there as well?
    Pay-2-Win?

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  17. #437
    2 days ago I was browsing some games on steam and read one game saying; developer pulled this game out. It is unfair etc etc.
    This must be the reason I guess. I forgot which game tho. It think it was METRO.

  18. #438
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    I don't understand why people care about Epic exclusives. Are people really that lazy these days that they don't want to spend 5 seconds opening a different launcher to play a game they enjoy? Are people really so petty that they deny themselves a game they would enjoy just because they have beef (for some reason) with a specific company?
    Because People don't like using trash launchers from trash companies.

  19. #439
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Because People don't like using trash launchers from trash companies.
    If I really wanted to play a game, spending 5 seconds in a trash launcher to open it up isn't a deal breaker, I do it all the time with other non steam games. Hundreds of hours of enjoyment from a great game vs a few seconds in a shitty launcher? Not even a consideration.
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  20. #440
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Because People don't like using trash launchers from trash companies.
    So you don't use Steam?

    Hate to break it to you but no launcher is perfect and each one has major issues they need to fix. But by all means pretend that Steam/Valve doesn't have their own issues (like leaking data almost every year).
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