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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenjen View Post
    Doesnt the game have fan made content on steam? What happens to that?
    I just think this whole situation we are heading towards is untenable. Crap like this is going to bring and end to an "age" of pc gaming freedom. Steam was bad enough but they sort of have it sorted out. Now we are going to have multiple platforms to content with. Maybe just go with GoG, at least their games are standalone with the launcher just mostly as a library and an update mechanism.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    I've already said, it's not 2004 now, it's 2019. There are baseline features that EGS (that is literally site page with few banners with CDN links) doesn't have. I'd give you simpler example. Imagine new OS comes out that functionally is equal to DOS in 1983 or Linux in 1991. Imagine they buy out Photoshop and 3D Max exclusivity and say "it's just another partition, don't you guys have HDDs?". Is it good for anyone?
    That is still a flawed example. The EGS store is like any other digital storefront now a days. It isn't something that is out dated and old. Is it the perfect gaming platform currently? No. EGC is in no way shape or form a 2004 store. You clearly weren't even old enough to use the internet if you honestly believe that.
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  3. #63
    It's like they want to make money... Christ, you guys are worse than hippies.
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  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    I just think this whole situation we are heading towards is untenable. Crap like this is going to bring and end to an "age" of pc gaming freedom. Steam was bad enough but they sort of have it sorted out. Now we are going to have multiple platforms to content with. Maybe just go with GoG, at least their games are standalone with the launcher just mostly as a library and an update mechanism.

    It was hardly an age of freedom. You either used the companies launcher or you used steam. Or you had to use both in the case of Uplay. You just bought a steam key from a different store. That isn't really freedom. This is just another step along the path. Gaming won't be "Free" until there is a universal achievement/profile/tracking systems. Then you can play whatever anywhere and not feel like you need to play it on X so you get Y in your profile. I wish Microsoft would have tried got developers to sign on to a Xbox/windows system.
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    That is still a flawed example. The EGS store is like any other digital storefront now a days. It isn't something that is out dated and old. Is it the perfect gaming platform currently? No. EGC is in no way shape or form a 2004 store. You clearly weren't even old enough to use the internet if you honestly believe that.
    It literally has main page, game download and friend list, nothing else. Maybe you'll point out some differences?

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    This sucks for Linux gamers as Rocket League is on Linux through Steam but Epic doesn't support Linux.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    Tim Sweeney is obsessed with putting Epic store on top. How am I a dolt?
    That's.. That's how business works. What, do you expect people to go into business to be mediocre?

    You go into business to maxmize profits. I hate the Epic Store, but if you want to compete with steam, you need to take the appropriate steps.

    Am I sure this is the best step? No of course not. We've seen many a company get bought by a bigger company and become useless. But there are several success stories otherwise.

    The world isn't sunshines and daisies. Businesses are there to make money. If this makes them more money, then they're doing what they are formed to do.

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    If they think making games exclusive to their shit store, is how you compete with steam, they are in for the saddest wake up call in the video game industry since the 80s VG crash.

    They might be around 5 or 6 more years tops.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    It literally has main page, game download and friend list, nothing else. Maybe you'll point out some differences?
    And? You can clearly tell the difference between a 2004 product and a 2019 product. EGS looks nothing like the screenshot of steam you found. At no point did I say it has the exact same features as steam currently has. But you are delusional if you think it doesn't look like all the other digital modern store fronts. Everything starts somewhere. Will they get to the level of steam with a bunch of features and bloat to keep people on their store? Likely. Or maybe it will just be the store with out the bloat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    And? You can clearly tell the difference between a 2004 product and a 2019 product. EGS looks nothing like the screenshot of steam you found. At no point did I say it has the exact same features as steam currently has. But you are delusional if you think it doesn't look like all the other digital modern store fronts. Everything starts somewhere. Will they get to the level of steam with a bunch of features and bloat to keep people on their store? Likely. Or maybe it will just be the store with out the bloat.
    It's 2019 and Epic is trying to force it's way in as a competitor of steam with none of the basic features that steam has. Reviews. Forums. A fucking shopping cart. Do you really not understand why people are upset?

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    It's 2019 and Epic is trying to force it's way in as a competitor of steam with none of the basic features that steam has. Reviews. Forums. A fucking shopping cart. Do you really not understand why people are upset?
    Do I get that people want it to have the same features of steam? Certainly. That is a far cry from saying it is 2004 level. They have a long way to go. But everything starts some where. And plenty of modern day game launchers/stores don't have reviews and boast exclusives (like origin and their forums are certainly lacking). The most important step is not the first one but the next one. They are certainly not deserving of the weird hate that you and others portray.

    It isn't perfect. But it isn't this evil thing that you and others try to make it out to be.
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  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    Do you really not understand why people are upset?
    I understand why people are upset, what I don’t understand is why people are constantly trying to seek excuses to pretend that they are more upset than they actually are.

    Yes, having yet download yet another launcher is inconvenient, but I mean… let’s see what I have here already, shall we? Steam, Origin, Uplay, Battle.net, Bethesda.net, Windows Live… all with their own exclusive games as well, go figure! Oh yes, but the lacking features (which many of the others I just mentioned also don’t have.), because it’s not like people can have access to reviews & forums in hundreds of different places in the Internet already.

    Also, someone raised a question early in the thread that I still haven’t seen an answer to, why is this outrage only directed to Epic and not the companies selling out the exclusivity to them?

    Now, if it’s that much of a big deal for so many people are some people are trying to make it up to be, just vote with your wallets, don’t support this kind of practice, and eventually they will have to compete in other ways… now, spoiler alert, most of this outrage is just coming from a small minority of people in the Internet, most people don’t really give a shit as long as they get to play their video games.
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  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    all with their own exclusive games as well, go figure!
    Yeah, except I'm not sure if any of those other launchers you list have exclusives that weren't developed specifically by them.

    And most of the "exclusives" are just 20 year old legacy titles that aren't a big enough draw to even bother placing on other markets, but for the hardcore fans of certain developers, it squeezes a little more value out of some games for their IP owners.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    Yeah, except I'm not sure if any of those other launchers you list have exclusives that weren't developed specifically by them.

    And most of the "exclusives" are just 20 year old legacy titles that aren't a big enough draw to even bother placing on other markets, but for the hardcore fans of certain developers, it squeezes a little more value out of some games for their IP owners.
    Most weren’t develop by them, in many of the cases they are just published by the owners of the platform… thus why I ask, why is it okay for developers to limit their games to the publisher platform, yet if a developer makes a much better deal with one of those platforms people go crazy about it?

    And… no… “most” of those “exclusives” ain’t “20 year old titles”.
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  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Most weren’t develop by them, in many of the cases they are just published by the owners of the platform… thus why I ask, why is it okay for developers to limit their games to the publisher platform, yet if a developer makes a much better deal with one of those platforms people go crazy about it?

    And… no… “most” of those “exclusives” ain’t “20 year old titles”.
    It'd be helpful if you could think of some and name them, because I can't. Unless you're counting subsidiary studios as not being developed by the publisher.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    Unless you're counting subsidiary studios as not being developed by the publisher.
    Yes, I'm not counting subsidiary studios as being part of the developers.

    Should I? I mean, Epic just purchased Psyonix and that still seems to be a problem to some...
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  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by FaceYourself View Post
    Epic Games Store isn't thaaaaaat bad.
    It's too easy for people to get pulled into hate-bandwagons nowadays.
    Except for the slipshod rushed release with no concern for data security or consumer privacy, the anti-consumer business practices, the total lack of any features consumers expect out of a modern games launcher/market, etc.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    I just think this whole situation we are heading towards is untenable. Crap like this is going to bring and end to an "age" of pc gaming freedom.
    What freedom was that? Valve had a Monopoly on the PC gaming market and you gave up the right to own anything you bought.

    Such freedom that was.
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  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    It's 2019 and Epic is trying to force it's way in as a competitor of steam with none of the basic features that steam has. Reviews. Forums. A fucking shopping cart. Do you really not understand why people are upset?
    Not having a shopping cart is about the only one you mentioned where there's any legitimate reason to be upset over it.

    You don't need a client specific forum or a review system in the store to be able to find others to talk about games with, especially not when people have proven themselves unable to handle such a thing, and frequently review bombs games for reasons not related to the quality of that actual game.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    What freedom was that? Valve had a Monopoly on the PC gaming market and you gave up the right to own anything you bought.

    Such freedom that was.
    You mean like the windows store, battlenet, arc, GoG, etc....?

    And lets not forget that GoG had to lay off people because of epic.

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