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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    https://www.rocketleague.com/news/ps...-epic-family-/



    So not only are they going after games that aren't out yet. They will outright buy games off steam for their store. This isn't competition. This is strong arming.
    whats the problem with them buying games, have you seen what they did with the FREE game fortnite and how much money they made and how good of a game they made? what the hell is the problem lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    Tim Sweeney is obsessed with putting Epic store on top. How am I a dolt?
    again you're a dolt because that's more than likely tim sweeneys job, and he's doing it well so whats the fucking problem...lol do you not understand how business works?
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    When all of these stores such as Uplay, Origin, Epic etc are all free to download and use, how is that in any way comparable to what's happening with e.g Disney content leaving netflix?
    Yea... everyone creating their own paid streaming service has a chance of imploding that market... making it as bad as the cable that people are running from.

    This epic store shit, while annoying and the app is somewhat questionable, is nowhere near that level.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    You pretty much are in some cases though. Unless you like starving and being homeless
    Which studios does this apply to in this instance?

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    You pretty much are in some cases though. Unless you like starving and being homeless
    Yeah… I’m sure that’s exactly the reason why these companies are selling out exclusivity deals, it’s not because they just want more money, it’s because those poor CEOs are at a risk of starving and going homeless… and by the way, if you really want to approach this in such a dramatic way, you should know that lots of woman have refused prostitution deals while starving, and it’s not because they “like” starving.
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  5. #105
    Rocket League is an UE3 game engine so it'll be interesting to see if Epic can polish it even further.

  6. #106
    Nothing wrong with buying the developing company. You just mad it's Epic doing it?
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    There was a thread on reddit about Steam sales and how Steam needs competition. People pointed out how competition improved Steam sales but that momentum kind of stagnated because at the end of the day third party keysellers like GMG still rely on Steam, devs still rely on Steam, so Valve can still do whatever it wants.

    Naturally, someone said, well you have companies like Epic moving to offer Valve competition. Suddenly it was, 'fuck Epic. rah rah rah' in a thread that was just Steam has too strong of a hold on PC gaming and needs competition. I don't get it.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Yes, I'm not counting subsidiary studios as being part of the developers.

    Should I? I mean, Epic just purchased Psyonix and that still seems to be a problem to some...
    Problems aside, its part of Epic now, along with every title in their portfolio. I don't count subsidiaries as being "independent" of their owner, for obvious reasons. When push comes to shove, its still the owning companies' funds and decisions that allow or prevent the studio from developing great games... and hopefully the market rewards them for developing great games (and not monetizing it to !#@$ and back).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Naturally, someone said, well you have companies like Epic moving to offer Valve competition. Suddenly it was, 'fuck Epic. rah rah rah' in a thread that was just Steam has too strong of a hold on PC gaming and needs competition. I don't get it.
    I think what people were expecting was that competition would lead to innovation on the consumer side, whereas Epic is all about courting the publishers, and pushing their blind pre-order sales.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    I think what people were expecting was that competition would lead to innovation on the consumer side, whereas Epic is all about courting the publishers, and pushing their blind pre-order sales.
    Pretty much this. People say that Epic is trying to help the market by pushing their 12% cut, but what they're doing is screwing over consumers, especially in less developed countries and those that use alternative payment methods. They're getting 12% by giving consumers the costs that Steam covers with their 30% cut.

    I was going to post a link here, but I don't have enough posts... Googling 'Epic Store and 12% cut' will bring the article up.

    Another thing that I hear is that they're helping the developers, but they're not. Most of the developers (outside of the indie games) have little choice in the matter. They're paying the publisher to get exclusivity in most cases, and there's no obligation for the publisher to share those funds with the developer themselves. It's also no secret that Epic doesn't care about gamers at all, Tim Sweeney sees us as sheep that will follow developers blindly, which is why they're focused on getting exclusives and not actively improving the consumer experience, more-so the developer side of their store front and refuse to put reviews in their store pages, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    There was a thread on reddit about Steam sales and how Steam needs competition. People pointed out how competition improved Steam sales but that momentum kind of stagnated because at the end of the day third party keysellers like GMG still rely on Steam, devs still rely on Steam, so Valve can still do whatever it wants.

    Naturally, someone said, well you have companies like Epic moving to offer Valve competition. Suddenly it was, 'fuck Epic. rah rah rah' in a thread that was just Steam has too strong of a hold on PC gaming and needs competition. I don't get it.
    Competition leads to innovation. Epic isn't competing, since they're not offering the same games. If Epic came along with their 12% split and didn't buy exclusivity from games, it would be competition. The old platform with a lot of users baked in, or the new one with better revenue split. As it stands you either buy from steam, or you buy another game from Epic, you don't ever have the choice of picking between them (From a major game, some indies might)
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    Nothing wrong with buying the developing company. You just mad it's Epic doing it?
    I'm not really mad, just disappointed after they said (multiple times) that they want to get out of the exclusivity market that they continue grabbing exclusives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Competition leads to innovation. Epic isn't competing, since they're not offering the same games. If Epic came along with their 12% split and didn't buy exclusivity from games, it would be competition. The old platform with a lot of users baked in, or the new one with a better revenue split. As it stands you either buy from steam, or you buy another game from Epic, you don't ever have the choice of picking between them (From a major game, some indies might)
    We're still in the early phase of whatever Epic's plan it. Right now they're selling cheap store space to devs to acquaint end users with their platform. Buying exclusives isn't sustainable any won't get people to dump Steam or run Epic in parallel to it. Naturally their next move in platform features and incentives. They have a roadmap



    I'm not really mad, just disappointed after they said (multiple times) that they want to get out of the exclusivity market that they continue grabbing exclusives.
    They said that something they'll do in the future. Not enough time has passed to say they haven't or won't do it. The process is part of the building phase, which they are still in. Building a store was a problem a 'dream' to that they never thought was possible. The Fortnite money was like winning the lotto jackpot, suddenly they have the capital to open that little shop they've always wanted. Iiiits not far from when Valve won the lotto. Valve had the advantage of being a pioneering company when it comes to modern digital distribution.

    All I wish the gaming community (the vocal community) would do it just wait to see if Epic will sink or swim. You don't have to hate it, you don't have to cheer for it, just wait and see what will happen. The way some people go off its like Epic kicking their dog every night.
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  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    https://www.rocketleague.com/news/ps...-epic-family-/



    So not only are they going after games that aren't out yet. They will outright buy games off steam for their store. This isn't competition. This is strong arming.
    Yeah, still not going anywhere near Epic store. The PC platform does not need this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    We're still in the early phase of whatever Epic's plan it. Right now they're selling cheap store space to devs to acquaint end users with their platform. Buying exclusives isn't sustainable any won't get people to dump Steam or run Epic in parallel to it. Naturally their next move in platform features and incentives. They have a roadmap

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    They said that something they'll do in the future. Not enough time has passed to say they haven't or won't do it. The process is part of the building phase, which they are still in. Building a store was a problem a 'dream' to that they never thought was possible. The Fortnite money was like winning the lotto jackpot, suddenly they have the capital to open that little shop they've always wanted. Iiiits not far from when Valve won the lotto. Valve had the advantage of being a pioneering company when it comes to modern digital distribution.

    All I wish the gaming community (the vocal community) would do it just wait to see if Epic will sink or swim. You don't have to hate it, you don't have to cheer for it, just wait and see what will happen. The way some people go off its like Epic kicking their dog every night.
    That's a very nice picture.. But they should have some of those already. Like a FUCKING SHOPPING CART.
    When they have a fully featured store and stop doing the exclusivity shit, I'll happily buy from them, if they're cheaper than Steam. But until then, I'm sticking with Steam.

    Also, claiming exclusives isn't sustainable is laughable when you look at Xbox/Playstation.. Those things sell based on their exclusives. Hell, look at Nintendo's stuff, they're 90% first party exclusive driven, with 3rd party being just icing on the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    They have a roadmap
    It's a meme at this point, them having a "roadmap" means jack shit. Just look at anthem and their "roadmap", how it helps them and how players are oh-so happy about it.

    If service provider doesn't provide much service, but promise you that the'll get better eventually - you return to them when this "eventually" actually becomes a reality and use those service providers that already have this, you know, at least wishlist and shopping cart, at max, tools for community to be a thing.

    You know why i like steam? Because i can lob bunch of games on my wishlist and get notified when they are at a discount. Or when i buy the I of the dragon game for my nostalgia fix and can actually access community that'll help me out with fixing some annoying stuff. Or that i can run through reviews of my curators, who i've picked because we both like similar games, and plan my purchase based on that. Or, for the heck of it, buy the game anyways, play for an hour and refund it without any problems if i don't like it
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  15. #115
    The only exclusive deal that Epic's done that has pissed me off is what they did with Phoenix Point...and I'm more pissed of at Gollop for that shit. They took people's "kickstarter" money with the promise of the game being available on steam...and then take money from Epic to give them exclusive access to the game for a full year.
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  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Also, claiming exclusives isn't sustainable is laughable when you look at Xbox/Playstation.. Those things sell based on their exclusives. Hell, look at Nintendo's stuff, they're 90% first party exclusive driven, with 3rd party being just icing on the cake.
    Timed Exclusives isn't sustainable, actual exclusives is.

    To your example Xbox One is the perfect example of timed exclusives not being sustainable, They had a fuck ton of them at the start of this gen and it didn't help. Because in the end they had no actual exclusives to drive people to their market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    All I wish the gaming community (the vocal community) would do it just wait to see if Epic will sink or swim. You don't have to hate it, you don't have to cheer for it, just wait and see what will happen. The way some people go off its like Epic kicking their dog every night.
    Ya people need to just chill the fuck out and breath.

    If something goes to EGS and you don't like it then go play something else. 100's of games release each day I'm sure they can find something to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    Yeah, still not going anywhere near Epic store. The PC platform does not need this.
    Actually the PC platform does need it because Valve needs competition.

    Steam is a pile of shit and anyone who says different is just fanboying. Valve needs a massive kick in the ass and sadly the only way they will get it is with a company who has a ton of money and actually gives half of a shit.

    Don't get me wrong EGS is also a pile of shit but so is Valve, The argument of what one stinks less does not matter. There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on and competition is the only way it will happen.

    Want the EGS shit to end? Then force that Valve should go 88% and it will end.
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    And now you have Epic failing once again by releasing a map breaking update during the Fortnite World Cup that is causing top players to lose their qualification spots because of bugs. At this point they deserve all the hate, and I hope at some point soon Fortnite implodes completely.

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  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on
    Like what?

  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    implodes completely.
    Biggest game in the world (with over 100 million players) isn't going to implode because of a few people having issues with bugs in esports.

    Wow will shutdown before Fortnite does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftbrul View Post
    Like what?
    Nearly every year having a data breach, Assist flip/shovelware on the store, The layout itself, Its almost nonexistent customer support. Nearly allowing games like Rape Day to get on the store, Only reason it didn't was because of the PR shit show that happen.

    Would you like me to keep going or would you like more examples of how broken the store is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Nearly every year having a data breach, Assist flip/shovel ware on the store, The layout itself, Its almost non-nonexistent customer support.
    How does having asset flips and garbage games on the store affect your enjoyment? The layout is perfectly fine, and has even improved substantially over the years. Customer support works perfectly fine as well.
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    Would you like me to keep going or would you like more examples of how broken the store is?
    Sure. Let's hear them.

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