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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    There was a thread on reddit about Steam sales and how Steam needs competition. People pointed out how competition improved Steam sales but that momentum kind of stagnated because at the end of the day third party keysellers like GMG still rely on Steam, devs still rely on Steam, so Valve can still do whatever it wants.

    Naturally, someone said, well you have companies like Epic moving to offer Valve competition. Suddenly it was, 'fuck Epic. rah rah rah' in a thread that was just Steam has too strong of a hold on PC gaming and needs competition. I don't get it.
    Competition leads to innovation. Epic isn't competing, since they're not offering the same games. If Epic came along with their 12% split and didn't buy exclusivity from games, it would be competition. The old platform with a lot of users baked in, or the new one with better revenue split. As it stands you either buy from steam, or you buy another game from Epic, you don't ever have the choice of picking between them (From a major game, some indies might)
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    Nothing wrong with buying the developing company. You just mad it's Epic doing it?
    I'm not really mad, just disappointed after they said (multiple times) that they want to get out of the exclusivity market that they continue grabbing exclusives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Competition leads to innovation. Epic isn't competing, since they're not offering the same games. If Epic came along with their 12% split and didn't buy exclusivity from games, it would be competition. The old platform with a lot of users baked in, or the new one with a better revenue split. As it stands you either buy from steam, or you buy another game from Epic, you don't ever have the choice of picking between them (From a major game, some indies might)
    We're still in the early phase of whatever Epic's plan it. Right now they're selling cheap store space to devs to acquaint end users with their platform. Buying exclusives isn't sustainable any won't get people to dump Steam or run Epic in parallel to it. Naturally their next move in platform features and incentives. They have a roadmap



    I'm not really mad, just disappointed after they said (multiple times) that they want to get out of the exclusivity market that they continue grabbing exclusives.
    They said that something they'll do in the future. Not enough time has passed to say they haven't or won't do it. The process is part of the building phase, which they are still in. Building a store was a problem a 'dream' to that they never thought was possible. The Fortnite money was like winning the lotto jackpot, suddenly they have the capital to open that little shop they've always wanted. Iiiits not far from when Valve won the lotto. Valve had the advantage of being a pioneering company when it comes to modern digital distribution.

    All I wish the gaming community (the vocal community) would do it just wait to see if Epic will sink or swim. You don't have to hate it, you don't have to cheer for it, just wait and see what will happen. The way some people go off its like Epic kicking their dog every night.
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    So not only are they going after games that aren't out yet. They will outright buy games off steam for their store. This isn't competition. This is strong arming.
    Yeah, still not going anywhere near Epic store. The PC platform does not need this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    We're still in the early phase of whatever Epic's plan it. Right now they're selling cheap store space to devs to acquaint end users with their platform. Buying exclusives isn't sustainable any won't get people to dump Steam or run Epic in parallel to it. Naturally their next move in platform features and incentives. They have a roadmap

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    They said that something they'll do in the future. Not enough time has passed to say they haven't or won't do it. The process is part of the building phase, which they are still in. Building a store was a problem a 'dream' to that they never thought was possible. The Fortnite money was like winning the lotto jackpot, suddenly they have the capital to open that little shop they've always wanted. Iiiits not far from when Valve won the lotto. Valve had the advantage of being a pioneering company when it comes to modern digital distribution.

    All I wish the gaming community (the vocal community) would do it just wait to see if Epic will sink or swim. You don't have to hate it, you don't have to cheer for it, just wait and see what will happen. The way some people go off its like Epic kicking their dog every night.
    That's a very nice picture.. But they should have some of those already. Like a FUCKING SHOPPING CART.
    When they have a fully featured store and stop doing the exclusivity shit, I'll happily buy from them, if they're cheaper than Steam. But until then, I'm sticking with Steam.

    Also, claiming exclusives isn't sustainable is laughable when you look at Xbox/Playstation.. Those things sell based on their exclusives. Hell, look at Nintendo's stuff, they're 90% first party exclusive driven, with 3rd party being just icing on the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    They have a roadmap
    It's a meme at this point, them having a "roadmap" means jack shit. Just look at anthem and their "roadmap", how it helps them and how players are oh-so happy about it.

    If service provider doesn't provide much service, but promise you that the'll get better eventually - you return to them when this "eventually" actually becomes a reality and use those service providers that already have this, you know, at least wishlist and shopping cart, at max, tools for community to be a thing.

    You know why i like steam? Because i can lob bunch of games on my wishlist and get notified when they are at a discount. Or when i buy the I of the dragon game for my nostalgia fix and can actually access community that'll help me out with fixing some annoying stuff. Or that i can run through reviews of my curators, who i've picked because we both like similar games, and plan my purchase based on that. Or, for the heck of it, buy the game anyways, play for an hour and refund it without any problems if i don't like it
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    The only exclusive deal that Epic's done that has pissed me off is what they did with Phoenix Point...and I'm more pissed of at Gollop for that shit. They took people's "kickstarter" money with the promise of the game being available on steam...and then take money from Epic to give them exclusive access to the game for a full year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Also, claiming exclusives isn't sustainable is laughable when you look at Xbox/Playstation.. Those things sell based on their exclusives. Hell, look at Nintendo's stuff, they're 90% first party exclusive driven, with 3rd party being just icing on the cake.
    Timed Exclusives isn't sustainable, actual exclusives is.

    To your example Xbox One is the perfect example of timed exclusives not being sustainable, They had a fuck ton of them at the start of this gen and it didn't help. Because in the end they had no actual exclusives to drive people to their market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    All I wish the gaming community (the vocal community) would do it just wait to see if Epic will sink or swim. You don't have to hate it, you don't have to cheer for it, just wait and see what will happen. The way some people go off its like Epic kicking their dog every night.
    Ya people need to just chill the fuck out and breath.

    If something goes to EGS and you don't like it then go play something else. 100's of games release each day I'm sure they can find something to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    Yeah, still not going anywhere near Epic store. The PC platform does not need this.
    Actually the PC platform does need it because Valve needs competition.

    Steam is a pile of shit and anyone who says different is just fanboying. Valve needs a massive kick in the ass and sadly the only way they will get it is with a company who has a ton of money and actually gives half of a shit.

    Don't get me wrong EGS is also a pile of shit but so is Valve, The argument of what one stinks less does not matter. There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on and competition is the only way it will happen.

    Want the EGS shit to end? Then force that Valve should go 88% and it will end.
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    And now you have Epic failing once again by releasing a map breaking update during the Fortnite World Cup that is causing top players to lose their qualification spots because of bugs. At this point they deserve all the hate, and I hope at some point soon Fortnite implodes completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on
    Like what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    implodes completely.
    Biggest game in the world (with over 100 million players) isn't going to implode because of a few people having issues with bugs in esports.

    Wow will shutdown before Fortnite does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftbrul View Post
    Like what?
    Nearly every year having a data breach, Assist flip/shovelware on the store, The layout itself, Its almost nonexistent customer support. Nearly allowing games like Rape Day to get on the store, Only reason it didn't was because of the PR shit show that happen.

    Would you like me to keep going or would you like more examples of how broken the store is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Nearly every year having a data breach, Assist flip/shovel ware on the store, The layout itself, Its almost non-nonexistent customer support.
    How does having asset flips and garbage games on the store affect your enjoyment? The layout is perfectly fine, and has even improved substantially over the years. Customer support works perfectly fine as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Would you like me to keep going or would you like more examples of how broken the store is?
    Sure. Let's hear them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftbrul View Post
    How does having asset flips and garbage games on the store affect your enjoyment? The layout is perfectly fine, and has even improved substantially over the years. Customer support works perfectly fine as well.

    Sure. Let's hear them.
    I'm good, since all you did was just hand wave what I have already said. I don't get the point of fanboying a digital store front but hey you do you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    I'm good, since all you did was just hand wave what I have already said. I don't get the point of fanboying a digital store front but hey you do you.
    Handwaving is all they deserve when your arguments are laughably vague and ubsubstantiated. If you want your criticism (if you can even call it that) taken seriously, at least provide some tangible examples instead of being a chickenshit and bailing out when you're called out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post

    Actually the PC platform does need it because Valve needs competition.

    Steam is a pile of shit and anyone who says different is just fanboying. Valve needs a massive kick in the ass and sadly the only way they will get it is with a company who has a ton of money and actually gives half of a shit.

    Don't get me wrong EGS is also a pile of shit but so is Valve, The argument of what one stinks less does not matter. There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on and competition is the only way it will happen.

    Want the EGS shit to end? Then force that Valve should go 88% and it will end.
    Competition is fine but they are forcing players over to their store, not competing with Valve. Exclusives are a pain to deal with and one of the main reasons I don't really buy anything on consoles anymore.

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    Not sure what has been said in this thread.

    Ok, there is nothing wrong with epic buying a studio and have them make themselves games... possibly exclusive to their store. But that is not what has happened now.

    Epic buys a studio that had games on steam. As far as I know considerably popular game even. It has been available on steam for quite a while. Now they are pulling it out. You might think thats ok.

    Think of companies like EA, ect. They have bought studios before. Have they removed games from everywhere except their own launcher?

    Think of this whatever you want, but I think its bullshit what epic is doing. Sure, have any future games exclusive to epic, but removing existing games. No.

    What epic has succeeded so far, as far as I'm concerned, is that I wont touch their store even with long stick. Not until, if it ever happens, that epic does become big enough to take steams place. So far they are just making a mess. I'll see in a few years. Until then, there doesnt exist long enough stick for me to touch epic store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Actually the PC platform does need it because Valve needs competition.

    Steam is a pile of shit and anyone who says different is just fanboying. Valve needs a massive kick in the ass and sadly the only way they will get it is with a company who has a ton of money and actually gives half of a shit.

    Don't get me wrong EGS is also a pile of shit but so is Valve, The argument of what one stinks less does not matter. There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on and competition is the only way it will happen.

    Want the EGS shit to end? Then force that Valve should go 88% and it will end.
    If you really believe that Epic Games are going to stop what is in essence a hostile take over of the PC gaming arena, you must be smoking some really good stuff.. Because even if Valve did change their revenue split, it will not stop Epic Games from continuing aggressively acquiring games for their store..

    As it has been shown that they say one thing and then do the opposite.. And I have to laugh you accuse those who do not see Steam as you do as fanboys, but the way you are carrying on about EGS shows you are a fanboy of that steaming pile of excrement that is the Epic Games Store..

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    Not sure what has been said in this thread.

    Ok, there is nothing wrong with epic buying a studio and have them make themselves games... possibly exclusive to their store. But that is not what has happened now.

    Epic buys a studio that had games on steam. As far as I know considerably popular game even. It has been available on steam for quite a while. Now they are pulling it out. You might think thats ok.

    Think of companies like EA, ect. They have bought studios before. Have they removed games from everywhere except their own launcher?

    Think of this whatever you want, but I think its bullshit what epic is doing. Sure, have any future games exclusive to epic, but removing existing games. No.

    What epic has succeeded so far, as far as I'm concerned, is that I wont touch their store even with long stick. Not until, if it ever happens, that epic does become big enough to take steams place. So far they are just making a mess. I'll see in a few years. Until then, there doesnt exist long enough stick for me to touch epic store.
    Yeah I am not even going to touch EGS, don't trust it and especially do not trust Tim Sweeney..
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    i assume "will remain available on steam" means: steam launches epic launcher, which then launches the game.

    think ubisoft pulled that one on me once, steam just installed uplay for me lololol.

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    Heck yeah, China I guess.

    Are you guys prepared for a game market owned by the Chinese government, where things like blood, death, and women exposing very moderate amounts of skin is no longer a part of your games? Because I sure am!

    Seriously, China can screw off until they learn how to actually create a first-world government. I know it won't matter much in the grand scheme of things but I'm just going to treat every game that goes to the Epic store as dead out of pure principle.

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    Imagine thinking the game will stay on steam
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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    If you really believe that Epic Games are going to stop what is in essence a hostile take over of the PC gaming arena, you must be smoking some really good stuff.. Because even if Valve did change their revenue split, it will not stop Epic Games from continuing aggressively acquiring games for their store..
    Yes but it would stop them doing timed exclusive deals because that is something they can not keep doing. I hate to break it to you but exclusives are the core of competition.

    Welcome to dealing with what every other market has been dealing with for ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    Heck yeah, China I guess.

    Are you guys prepared for a game market owned by the Chinese government, where things like blood, death, and women exposing very moderate amounts of skin is no longer a part of your games? Because I sure am!

    Seriously, China can screw off until they learn how to actually create a first-world government. I know it won't matter much in the grand scheme of things but I'm just going to treat every game that goes to the Epic store as dead out of pure principle.
    China has nothing to do with this, conspiracy theory's are not allowed here mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    And I have to laugh you accuse those who do not see Steam as you do as fanboys, but the way you are carrying on about EGS shows you are a fanboy of that steaming pile of excrement that is the Epic Games Store..
    Yes anyone turning a blind eye to the issues with Steam has a fanboy...Period.

    Also kinda hard to be a fanboy of something I have never once used myself(EGS).
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