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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Nearly every year having a data breach, Assist flip/shovel ware on the store, The layout itself, Its almost non-nonexistent customer support.
    How does having asset flips and garbage games on the store affect your enjoyment? The layout is perfectly fine, and has even improved substantially over the years. Customer support works perfectly fine as well.
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    Would you like me to keep going or would you like more examples of how broken the store is?
    Sure. Let's hear them.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Liftbrul View Post
    How does having asset flips and garbage games on the store affect your enjoyment? The layout is perfectly fine, and has even improved substantially over the years. Customer support works perfectly fine as well.

    Sure. Let's hear them.
    I'm good, since all you did was just hand wave what I have already said. I don't get the point of fanboying a digital store front but hey you do you.
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  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    I'm good, since all you did was just hand wave what I have already said. I don't get the point of fanboying a digital store front but hey you do you.
    Handwaving is all they deserve when your arguments are laughably vague and ubsubstantiated. If you want your criticism (if you can even call it that) taken seriously, at least provide some tangible examples instead of being a chickenshit and bailing out when you're called out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post

    Actually the PC platform does need it because Valve needs competition.

    Steam is a pile of shit and anyone who says different is just fanboying. Valve needs a massive kick in the ass and sadly the only way they will get it is with a company who has a ton of money and actually gives half of a shit.

    Don't get me wrong EGS is also a pile of shit but so is Valve, The argument of what one stinks less does not matter. There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on and competition is the only way it will happen.

    Want the EGS shit to end? Then force that Valve should go 88% and it will end.
    Competition is fine but they are forcing players over to their store, not competing with Valve. Exclusives are a pain to deal with and one of the main reasons I don't really buy anything on consoles anymore.

  5. #125
    Not sure what has been said in this thread.

    Ok, there is nothing wrong with epic buying a studio and have them make themselves games... possibly exclusive to their store. But that is not what has happened now.

    Epic buys a studio that had games on steam. As far as I know considerably popular game even. It has been available on steam for quite a while. Now they are pulling it out. You might think thats ok.

    Think of companies like EA, ect. They have bought studios before. Have they removed games from everywhere except their own launcher?

    Think of this whatever you want, but I think its bullshit what epic is doing. Sure, have any future games exclusive to epic, but removing existing games. No.

    What epic has succeeded so far, as far as I'm concerned, is that I wont touch their store even with long stick. Not until, if it ever happens, that epic does become big enough to take steams place. So far they are just making a mess. I'll see in a few years. Until then, there doesnt exist long enough stick for me to touch epic store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Actually the PC platform does need it because Valve needs competition.

    Steam is a pile of shit and anyone who says different is just fanboying. Valve needs a massive kick in the ass and sadly the only way they will get it is with a company who has a ton of money and actually gives half of a shit.

    Don't get me wrong EGS is also a pile of shit but so is Valve, The argument of what one stinks less does not matter. There is a truck load of shit Valve needs to improve on and competition is the only way it will happen.

    Want the EGS shit to end? Then force that Valve should go 88% and it will end.
    If you really believe that Epic Games are going to stop what is in essence a hostile take over of the PC gaming arena, you must be smoking some really good stuff.. Because even if Valve did change their revenue split, it will not stop Epic Games from continuing aggressively acquiring games for their store..

    As it has been shown that they say one thing and then do the opposite.. And I have to laugh you accuse those who do not see Steam as you do as fanboys, but the way you are carrying on about EGS shows you are a fanboy of that steaming pile of excrement that is the Epic Games Store..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morae View Post
    Not sure what has been said in this thread.

    Ok, there is nothing wrong with epic buying a studio and have them make themselves games... possibly exclusive to their store. But that is not what has happened now.

    Epic buys a studio that had games on steam. As far as I know considerably popular game even. It has been available on steam for quite a while. Now they are pulling it out. You might think thats ok.

    Think of companies like EA, ect. They have bought studios before. Have they removed games from everywhere except their own launcher?

    Think of this whatever you want, but I think its bullshit what epic is doing. Sure, have any future games exclusive to epic, but removing existing games. No.

    What epic has succeeded so far, as far as I'm concerned, is that I wont touch their store even with long stick. Not until, if it ever happens, that epic does become big enough to take steams place. So far they are just making a mess. I'll see in a few years. Until then, there doesnt exist long enough stick for me to touch epic store.
    Yeah I am not even going to touch EGS, don't trust it and especially do not trust Tim Sweeney..
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    Problems aside, its part of Epic now, along with every title in their portfolio. I don't count subsidiaries as being "independent" of their owner, for obvious reasons. When push comes to shove, its still the owning companies' funds and decisions that allow or prevent the studio from developing great games... and hopefully the market rewards them for developing great games (and not monetizing it to !#@$ and back).
    Okay, and I can agree with that... but... you are putting aside the entire point of this thread, that somehow, that's a problem, but just when Epic does it, because meanwhile other companies have been doing it for years now ._.

  8. #128
    i assume "will remain available on steam" means: steam launches epic launcher, which then launches the game.

    think ubisoft pulled that one on me once, steam just installed uplay for me lololol.

  9. #129
    Heck yeah, China I guess.

    Are you guys prepared for a game market owned by the Chinese government, where things like blood, death, and women exposing very moderate amounts of skin is no longer a part of your games? Because I sure am!

    Seriously, China can screw off until they learn how to actually create a first-world government. I know it won't matter much in the grand scheme of things but I'm just going to treat every game that goes to the Epic store as dead out of pure principle.

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    Imagine thinking the game will stay on steam
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    When googling 4 letters is asking too much fact-checking.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    Heck yeah, China I guess.

    Are you guys prepared for a game market owned by the Chinese government, where things like blood, death, and women exposing very moderate amounts of skin is no longer a part of your games? Because I sure am!

    Seriously, China can screw off until they learn how to actually create a first-world government. I know it won't matter much in the grand scheme of things but I'm just going to treat every game that goes to the Epic store as dead out of pure principle.

    ... erm, am I missing something? What does China have to do with this?

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    If you really believe that Epic Games are going to stop what is in essence a hostile take over of the PC gaming arena, you must be smoking some really good stuff.. Because even if Valve did change their revenue split, it will not stop Epic Games from continuing aggressively acquiring games for their store..
    Yes but it would stop them doing timed exclusive deals because that is something they can not keep doing. I hate to break it to you but exclusives are the core of competition.

    Welcome to dealing with what every other market has been dealing with for ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    Heck yeah, China I guess.

    Are you guys prepared for a game market owned by the Chinese government, where things like blood, death, and women exposing very moderate amounts of skin is no longer a part of your games? Because I sure am!

    Seriously, China can screw off until they learn how to actually create a first-world government. I know it won't matter much in the grand scheme of things but I'm just going to treat every game that goes to the Epic store as dead out of pure principle.
    China has nothing to do with this, conspiracy theory's are not allowed here mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    And I have to laugh you accuse those who do not see Steam as you do as fanboys, but the way you are carrying on about EGS shows you are a fanboy of that steaming pile of excrement that is the Epic Games Store..
    Yes anyone turning a blind eye to the issues with Steam has a fanboy...Period.

    Also kinda hard to be a fanboy of something I have never once used myself(EGS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Imagine thinking the game will stay on steam
    Yeah fucking imagine because you have people still saying the opposite in this thread.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    ... erm, am I missing something? What does China have to do with this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    China has nothing to do with this, conspiracy theory's are not allowed here mate.
    It's not really a conspiracy. Epic games is completely owned by Tencent.

    It doesn't take a leap of logic to realize that Epic Games is trying to aggressively expand with Tencent's aid. Epic games was a minor publisher with some pretty minor games before they were bought out by Tencent who were the ones who pushed for the Battle Royale version of Fortnite that the game is now known for. This is recorded stuff you can look up yourself.

    How much stake you think Tencent has in his Epic Games launcher debacle is a bit more of a question but considering Epic's massive expansion as a whole only started after being purchased I think it can stand to reason the two things aren't a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    I think what people were expecting was that competition would lead to innovation on the consumer side, whereas Epic is all about courting the publishers, and pushing their blind pre-order sales.
    But why is Epic bad for doing that when it isn't bad for steam to do it? Because most titles are Steam exclusives. Even if they are sold elsewhere many are Steam Keys. Steam doesn't need to court developers because they are the only major option. Steam also wants pre-order sales like anyone else. Just because Steam has reviews doesn't mean they are not equally as blind or that the reviews are even worth anything. Steam has got better with enforcing certain rules for reviews and footage but with how easy it is to bomb a score with things that are not even game related the reviews are ultimately meaningless.
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  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    It's not really a conspiracy. Epic games is completely owned by Tencent.
    I didnt know 40% stake meant completely owning something, the things you learn here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xweapon View Post
    Pretty much this. People say that Epic is trying to help the market by pushing their 12% cut, but what they're doing is screwing over consumers, especially in less developed countries and those that use alternative payment methods. They're getting 12% by giving consumers the costs that Steam covers with their 30% cut.
    That has nothing to do with the split but everything to do with their payment system. A lot of places charge a fee if it costs them more to accept certain payments. They are not screwing a consumer over anymore then you are screwing yourself over for having a form of payment that incurs higher charges. Yes it sucks if you can't get anything else. But that is just how things work.

    I used to be charged a $1 international fee when buying from Greenmangaming. It sucked but the deals were still good enough. It never claimed that they were screwing me over by having me pay a fee for my payment type though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    It's not really a conspiracy. Epic games is completely owned by Tencent.

    It doesn't take a leap of logic to realize that Epic Games is trying to aggressively expand with Tencent's aid. Epic games was a minor publisher with some pretty minor games before they were bought out by Tencent who were the ones who pushed for the Battle Royale version of Fortnite that the game is now known for. This is recorded stuff you can look up yourself.

    How much stake you think Tencent has in his Epic Games launcher debacle is a bit more of a question but considering Epic's massive expansion as a whole only started after being purchased I think it can stand to reason the two things aren't a coincidence.

    Rofl, "you can just look it up!", the best shit since sliced bread, just say random shit and tell people to google it... aight then, let's see:

    Tencent acquired a minority stake in Epic Games, developer of franchises like Unreal, Gears of War and Infinity Blade, in June 2012.
    Owners:
    Tim Sweeney (>50%)
    Tencent (40%)
    ... so, you are telling me that Tencent "owns" Epic since 2012, but just now, it decided to help it expanding aggressively?

    Shit... here I was thinking that Epic was just being smart and using the billions of profits from Fornite to take a bigger slice of the gaming industry pie... thank you for you opening my eyes... it had to be China all along, pushing forward for world dominance by censoring mah video games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morae View Post
    Epic buys a studio that had games on steam. As far as I know considerably popular game even. It has been available on steam for quite a while. Now they are pulling it out. You might think thats ok.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comme...t_their_games/

    It shouldn't matter if they buy the Studio, or already owned the studio. Games have been pulled from Steam in favor of exclusive control. The reason why you don't hear many cases of this happening is because most places have no where else to go. If they don't have their own distribution system they can't pull from Steam. Ubisoft still sells games on Steam but they try to push their own distribution as much as possible. GMG sells uplay keys only for ubisoft titles for example.

    Buying exclusives from a developer that you don't own is completely different then putting the games you own on your own platform only. After all you don't see Steam selling their own games on other platforms do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    Heck yeah, China I guess. Are you guys prepared for a game market owned by the Chinese government, where things like blood, death, and women exposing very moderate amounts of skin is no longer a part of your games? Because I sure am! Seriously, China can screw off until they learn how to actually create a first-world government. I know it won't matter much in the grand scheme of things but I'm just going to treat every game that goes to the Epic store as dead out of pure principle.
    Your grasp of the world is amusing. China and large Chinese companies have shares in a lot of products. Even Tencent has shares in most major gaming companies. But hey if you do your homework and look at every investor of everything you buy/use and avoid China that is more power to you. But I doubt you do.
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  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    You pretty much are in some cases though. Unless you like starving and being homeless
    If that's the case then Epic should be praised for saving these developers, or in less hyperbolic terms at least helping to fund development.
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